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Category:Award-winning video games

Propose merging Category:Award-winning video games to Category:Video game award winners

Nominator's rationale: Personally I feel like that the Award-winning video games category should be merged with Video game award winners because they basically describe the same thing and it feels unnecessary to have two separate categories as a result. Nice Stories (talk) 23:57, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, one category is for articles about video games, the other is for biographies. By all means leave a "see also" note on both pages. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:27, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - the first is for games (any people should be removed from it), the 2nd for people (any games should be removed from it). Oculi (talk) 16:46, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Tunisian Roman Catholic archbishops

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 03:08, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Tunisian Roman Catholic archbishops (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: There are no Tunisian nationals who are RC archbishops. Of the two past archbishops, one was Italian and the other Jordanian. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:49, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as empty -- Probably intended for Category:Roman Catholic archbishops in Tunisia, which is unnecessary because its only content would be Category:Roman Catholic archbishops of Tunis‎, though there were medieval archbishops of Carthage, before Muslim conquest. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:35, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Yes, this category has been emptied. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:58, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Members of the American Physical Society

Propose deleting Category:Members of the American Physical Society (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Unlike Category:Fellows of the American Physical Society‎, this one doesn't seem to be a defining characteristic. Kj cheetham (talk) 17:55, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, mere membership is hardly ever defining. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:29, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- Mere membership of a learned society is not defining. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:31, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete A more novel and interesting category would be American physicists who AREN'T members of APS, since membership is basically de rigeur. PianoDan (talk) 19:00, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who use AniList

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 03:10, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Wikipedians who use AniList (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Unclear how this category has the capacity to facilitate coordination and collaboration between users for the improvement of the encyclopedia; many past "Wikipedians by website" categories have been deleted (WP:UCFD/I#Wikipedians by website). * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:40, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Category has been emptied. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:01, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Per nom. VegaDark (talk) 01:54, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:11th-century Frankish bishops

Propose merging Category:11th-century Frankish bishops to Category:11th-century Roman Catholic bishops in the Holy Roman Empire

Nominator's rationale: merge, the Franks were the founders of the Merovingian Kingdom and the Carolingian Empire but in the 11th century the term "Franks" in this meaning has become obsolete. The term was still used for people from the Duchy of Franconia but that is clearly not what this category is intended for. The category mainly contains bishops in the Low Lands, which was part of the Holy Roman Empire in this period. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:39, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See also Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_April_10#Category:9th-century_Frankish_bishops. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:24, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Happy with this. Rathfelder (talk) 07:45, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- However the parent is People of Carolingian Empire, so that more tidying is needed. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:36, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The proposal is to not merge to this other parent anyway, so this is not a problem. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:35, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Iranian Muslims

Propose containerizing Category:Iranian Muslims (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose containerizing Category:Iranian Shia Muslims (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: containerize per WP:DEFINING, almost all Iranian people are (Shia) Muslim, but it is not a defining characteristic for anyone who is not in the subcategories. Especially Category:Iranian Shia Muslims is full of articles about secular politicians. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:21, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:19th-century Russian botanists

Propose renaming Category:19th-century Russian botanists to Category:19th-century botanists of the Russian Empire

Nominator's rationale: To fit into Category:Botanists of the Russian Empire. At present Category:People of the Russian Empire by occupation is not divided by century, although Category:Russian people by occupation is, which is confusing. The Russian Empire extended from 1721 to 1922, so I'm thinking of renaming all the 18th and 19th century categories, and I'd like to know whether this seems sensible. Rathfelder (talk) 09:23, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose there is nothing wrong with the category name. Just make it a subcategory of Category:Russian botanists, just like Category:20th-century Russian botanists is Marcelus (talk) 12:35, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Botanists of the Russian Empire is already a subcategory of Category:Russian botanists. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:47, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I am aware of that, Category:19th-century Russian botanists should be just one level lower. Same like categories Category:20th-century Russian botanists and Category:21th-century Russian botanists Marcelus (talk) 14:31, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, Category:Botanists of the Russian Empire is a perfectly valid parent of Category:19th-century Russian botanists. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:52, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's not if we have categories Category:Russian botantist and Category:Botanists of the Russian Empire, it's logical that they need subcategories: Category:19th-century Russian botanists and Category:19th-century botanists of the Russian Empire respectively. The first one will contain botanists of the Russian ethnicty, the second one botanists from the Russian Empire, some characters will fit in both categories, some won't. Marcelus (talk) 15:11, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support, "Russian" may be interpreted as restricted to Russian ethnicity, while "of the Russian Empire" also includes the many botanists of Baltic-German descent. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:02, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And that's correct because it's that what this category is for. The solution you are looking for is the creation of a new category Category:19th-century botanists of the Russian Empire. Rathfelder is making this changes without thinking, it's pretty clear Marcelus (talk) 14:33, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A new category is not what I am looking for, per WP:OVERLAPCAT. I just propose to make the category a little more inclusive. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:47, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Russian categories include plenty of Baltic Germans. Some of them are also categorised as Germans and some arent. NB I havent changed anything here. I'm enquiring, really, what the status of Category:People of the Russian Empire by occupation is, when compared to Category:Russian people by occupation. Should all the 18th and 19th century Russian categories be subcategories of the Russian Empire categories? They arent at present. Should Category:People of the Russian Empire be divided into two centuries? Rathfelder (talk) 14:41, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The issue is that "Russian" is too ambiguous in the 18th and 19th century. Some editors consider it to be the same as "of the Russian Empire", other editors like Marcelus don't. The ambiguity can be resolved by consistently using "of the Russian Empire" which is unambiguous. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:58, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - the proposal is contrary to the convention within Category:19th-century Russian scientists. As things stand Category:People of the Russian Empire is a subcat of Category:Russian people (by period). There may be some merit in the proposal but it should start with Category:19th-century Russian people (and ideally list all subcats). Oculi (talk) 19:39, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That is a fair point. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:23, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

People from populated places in France

Propose merging

more categories nominated

Nominator's rationale: rename per WP:SMALLCAT, only 1-3 articles in every of these categories. ~~(The categories have not been tagged yet.)~~ Marcocapelle (talk) 08:12, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:36, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Māori science

Propose deleting Category:Māori science (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Science is not specific to any culture. 101.98.39.246 (talk) 06:24, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 06:30, 9 April 2022 (UTC) [reply]

Keep Rationale does not make sense. Category contains relevant articles. AusLondonder (talk) 19:54, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but possibly as Category:Māori and science to match the article Māori and conservation. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:40, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedia requested edits

Propose renaming Category:Wikipedia requested edits to Category:Wikipedia conflict of interest and partial block edit requests

Nominator's rationale: The current name suggests that this cat would contain every requested edit on the project, despite it not containing any other edit requests like the semi-protected, fully-protected, etc. ones. This category only consists of COI and partial-block edit requests. Be more specific about what this category is about. The proposed names are in line with other requested edit cats like Category:Wikipedia semi-protected edit requests. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • C • L)} 05:35, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also to disambiguate it from Category:Wikipedia edit requests. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • C • L)} 19:59, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Question, would it make sense to split the category (1 template = 1 category)? Marcocapelle (talk) 15:32, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, it would make sense to Split since the skills required for answering the two kinds of requests have basically no overlap. If they are not split, rename per nom. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:22, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Split per others. We already divide the protected requests from this category Happy Editing--IAm Chaos 19:37, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As nominator, I would now prefer it to be split into Category:Wikipedia conflict of interest edit requests & Category:Wikipedia partial-block edit requests (or partially-blocked?), with rename being the second preference, if not split. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • C • L)} 07:32, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
See also User talk:AnomieBOT#Category this bot uses listed at CfD * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:24, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Split: Partial block edit requests are not the same as COI requests. While I don't have a strong opinion, "partially-blocked" sounds better to me. If it is not split, non's rename will clarify things. DarthFlappy 16:09, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]