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Official currency

Officially, Russian-backed so-called "DNR" has switched from Russian ruble to Ukrainian hryvnia, likely as a result of Western sanctions on Russia. Source - https://twitter.com/rnbo_gov_ua/status/1508066615451131905 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.140.150.67 (talk) 18:18, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What currency does its national bank use? 2.28.151.223 (talk) 14:31, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Self-contradictory "government" statement

"Separatist leaders espouse a mixture of three strands of Russian nationalism: fascist, Orthodox, and Soviet."

This citation isn't exactly easy to check.

And I think I should mention that it is 100% impossible for a government to be Soviet and fascist. Communism and fascism are ideologically opposed, and their adherents have always been adversaries throughout history.

This citation should be checked. If the source actually can support this statement, it is an incredible source.

The statements immediately after the fascist and Soviet reference says the nation is like North Korea. This is both incredibly suspect, considering the lack of verifiable information on North Korea itself, and directly contradictory to the idea of a fascist Donetsk People's Republic. The flag of the Donetsk doesn't look fascist to me...

Wikipedia should stop allowing conflation between fascism and communism. It is a common myth among Eastern European nationalists and among North American liberals. And its 100% false. Hitler and Stalin weren't allies. And the description of a fascist, Soviet Donetsk is a continuation of the same lie. 2601:5C4:200:5C40:283C:81EB:2151:EBB2 (talk) 03:48, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2022

self-proclaimed to Russia-proclaimed Mariusbejan (talk) 18:22, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:39, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Miscellaneous and trivial information

The original cleanup tag added in December 2019 said, "This article needs to be properly organised. It is currently a collection of factoids and random events that got aggregated over the years." This is better summarised by the Trivia tag.

To other editors: Please improve the article if you can by creating cohesion between paragraphs (clarifying their relevance to each other) and making use of prose. At present, the relevance of some of the material in this article is unclear and listed without much detail. CentreLeftRight ✉ 02:13, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Breakaway state ?

Why is it called: The Donetsk People's Republic (DPR or DNR; Russian: Донецкая Народная Республика, tr. Donetskaya Narodnaya Respublika, IPA: [dɐˈnʲetskəjə nɐˈrodnəjə rʲɪˈspublʲɪkə]) is a breakaway state located in Ukraine,

It is not a breakaway state, it is a Russian funded (founded) military group claiming that Donetsk Oblast is an independent country, despite controlling only a small fraction of it. Calling it a breakaway state is giving it legality, which is not something it has anywhere but in Russia, who wants to enroll it in the motherland after having extended the occopation even further. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Povlhp (talk • contribs) 07:58, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Puppet State"?

It is widely recognized as a puppet state of Russia and that's clearly the truth. It's better to add "puppet state of Russia" in "status"? 182.239.117.109 (talk) 09:03, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You'll need reliable sources which describe it as such to add it to the article and follow WP:DUE. Alaexis¿question? 16:14, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Heading "Far-right nationalism"

In this article and Russian separatist forces in Donbas, Aman.kumar.goel has changed the original name of the section "Far-right nationalism" (which is what the section is about) to "Pro-Russian separatism". So now we have a section named "Pro-Russian separatism" in an article that's about Pro-Russian separatism. Ridiculous. They've been asked to take it to the talkpage per WP:BRD but have simply kept reverting. So I've had to take it here myself. Please explain why a section about far-right nationalism should not be called such. ~Asarlaí 14:40, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Because we agreed on Far-right politics in Ukraine that most of these groups are not 'far-right', instead they are just pro-Russian separatists. Most of our discussion happened there and like you have been already told, it decided the fate other similar content. "Far-right nationalism" is misleading because according to your own source says that "right-wing radicals" were active in the movement especially in early months of the uprising at page 27 that they were active "in the first few months of the conflict", but not afterward because they were pushed into margins after that. Segaton (talk) 14:55, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No we didn't. Show me a quote where we "agreed" that. The whole section is specifically about far-right Russian separatists. ~Asarlaí 14:59, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It is not just about what you agreed with but what was the final compromise. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 15:04, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Please explain why a section about far-right nationalism should not be called such.
Please explain how it's sensible to have a section named "Pro-Russian separatism" in an article about Pro-Russian separatism. ~Asarlaí 15:09, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Because most of the names do not meet the definition of "far-right nationalists" and per your own source at page 27 that they were active "in the first few months of the conflict", but not afterward because they were pushed into margins after that.
It makes no sense to say that this article must not have such misleading title to be re-titled to "Pro-Russian separatism". Segaton (talk) 15:14, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Every group named in the section are far-right nationalists, as the sources say. That's what the section is about. ~Asarlaí 15:21, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sources does not say that and that's where you happen to be wrong every single time. National Bolshevik Party, Sparta Battalion, National Liberation Movement (Russia), National Bolshevism, The Other Russia and many others are not far-right. That's why it is meaningless to assume the title "far-right nationalism". Segaton (talk) 15:28, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I could find plenty of sources, but here's quotes from sources that are already used in the section:
  • "THE OTHER RUSSIA: Political organization. An umbrella organization that includes a variety of liberal and extreme right wing political parties and organizations". (Saunders, Historical Dictionary of the Russian Federation, p.521)
  • "NATIONAL BOLSHEVIK PARTY (NBP). Banned ultranationalist political party". (Saunders, Historical Dictionary of the Russian Federation, p.476)
  • "For Russian radical nationalists, the ideology of imperial restoration was not an abstract theory. The the National Bolshevik Party (NBP), the Russian National Unity (RNU), the Eurasian Youth Union..." (Likhachev, The Far Right in the Conflict between Russia and Ukraine, p.19)
I also added that the other groups are far-right, with reliable academic sources to back it up. But you deleted them. Why?
If you won't accept the heading "Far-right nationalism" then how about "Russian ultranationalism". As you can see, all of the groups are described as ultranationalist/radical nationalist/extreme nationalist. ~Asarlaí 16:17, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
How they are generally labeled actually matters. I had removed that edit of yours because none of those ideologies came into the play in this conflict. Unless the source describes how their ideology came into the play in the conflict, there is no need to selectively mention them.
I will be fine with "Pro-Russian nationalism" because ultranationalism too played role only in early months of the conflict and now: "DNR and LNR regimes have themselves assumed a conservative, right wing complexion and different types of xenophobia play a considerable role in their official ideology and rheotric."[1] Segaton (talk) 16:53, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So we shouldn't mention that these Russian groups are far-right nationalists, because you think their far-right nationalism has nothing to do with their involvement in a nationalist conflict? ~Asarlaí 17:53, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I said we should not because the source makes no such mention of ideology of Russian National Unity or Eurasian Youth Union because that is not relevant to this conflict.
Are you in agreement with the compromise I proposed i.e. "Pro-Russian nationalism" for heading? Segaton (talk) 18:05, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Presidential Republic?

There is an Head of State, Denis Pushilin, and a Prime Minister, Vladimir Pashkov. Maybe it is a semipresidental Republic..... --Skyfall (talk) 07:22, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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