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I just want to say that there are may famous jatt in every field of life from pakistan. You have list of pakistani politician jatts. How can you ignore Dehdo Ranjha, icon of sout asian folk culture.


Use of Caste in biographies and lists- does it require the individual's self-declaration?

Hi, request those who are watching this page to contribute to the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Caste_identification on whether mentioning a person's caste (Jati) requires that person to explicitly say that he belongs to XX caste (like in the case of religion and sexuality), or whether caste identity is objective and knowable enough (like ethnic background) to be ascertained without producing proof that the person explicitly identified with a particular caste. For example, can we identify Mulayam_Singh_Yadav as a Yadav based on newspaper articles etc., or whether we need proof that Mulayam Singh Yadav has explicitly accepted 'Yadav' as his caste (by saying, for example, something like "I am a Yadav".) Sreejiraj (talk) 19:49, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Deletion

Regardless of citations and annotations, this is definitely an open-ended list, and should be deleted per the proposals at User:Sidatio/Conversations/On list guidelines. It also appears to be a "directory" and "indiscriminate collection of information", and "is practically the same as List of Nairs" per the arguments for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Rajputs Kappa 07:46, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No it is not. This article was kept over a year ago over a vote.

Also there are :

This article cannot be deleted because there are:

--Peter johnson4 12:07, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

history

hello

i want to know the history of the sub caste of jat family known as ( jat jahmat ). pls give me any detail you can provide me or any person who belong to the same family contact me my e mail address is zahidafzalz@yahoo.com.

i will appricate your help

thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.48.107.14 (talk) 19:22, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Adjusted article

Hi,

Today I added some references and adjusted the article in a more informative way,,and moreover adjusted names to their respective catagories. If you have any concern with this edit then firstly plz. discuss it here ..I will add more references soon..

-- Last Emperor (talk) 06:21, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).

Genxarmy (talk) 05:12, 11 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Add The name of Wrestler and Olympic medalist Sushil Kumar in the list of people belonging to Jat Clan - List Of Jats (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jats)

Source of verification for this addition is - http://www.jatland.com/home/Sushil_Solanki

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 11:32, 11 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Lord Krishna a Jatt? Where did you get that from? Lord Krishna was from the Yadu clan also known as a Yaduvanshi, now commonly known as Ahirs/Yadavs. I know jatts are similar to Yadavs but Jatts didn't weren't in existence back then in Bharat vansh.

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Ch. Mani Ram Bagri

This edit added one source (the parliamentary bio) that doesn't mention "Jat"; another (jatland.com) that is an open wiki; a third (Indian Mirror) that does not seem to mention the man; and a fourth (Dainik) that is not in English and the veracity of which I doubt given the apparent cluelessness of the contributor. So I reverted it. - Sitush (talk) 15:47, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jat wrestler

Udey chand wrestler- first Arjun awardy in wrestling Ybheron (talk) 17:56, 24 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 23 November 2017

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 Not done. You didn't include what changes you want made, why you want to make them, or what sources you want to use. CityOfSilver 16:24, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Not a complete list

There so many other notable people who are not listed in her like Ashish nehra cricketer, saina nehwal lawn tennis and many more. Request you to please add proper list. Thank you Sahil935 (talk) 10:55, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 7 May 2019

Some new names are there that can be added. Please allow me to add the new information. Thanks. Naman Sahrawat (talk) 18:09, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It would require self identification by the subject in a reliable source. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:14, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You can suggest changes here on this talk page (citing reliable sources) – Þjarkur (talk) 23:32, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Request for addition of names of Marshal of the Indian Air Force Arjan Singh, and Mallika Sherawat

Marshal of the Indian Air Force Arjan Singh was a Sikh Jat. Quoting from this article in The Tribune:

“I am no longer a Jat as you said in the book, I have no land now,” said Arjan Singh, recalling a comment made in the book, written two years ago, that the Jat in him was kept alive by the farm. For this Aulakh Jat, giving up his land is a great gesture, and by setting up a trust for the welfare of others, Arjan Singh has set a shining example in a nation where such things have become rare.

Actress Mallika Sherawat is also a Jat.

Quoting her from this article in Rediff:

Mallika chips in, "We Jats, Dharamji and I, will set the screens on fire!"

So, please add their names under Military and Cinema sections respectively.

These can totally be added. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:17, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Request for addition of name of Mahie Gill under "Cinema and television" sub-heading

Actress Mahie Gill was born in a Jat-Sikh family as told by her in this article in Times of India:

“ Although I belong to a Jat-Sikh family, who are known to be very conservative, I didn’t have to face any restrictions, whether it was regarding my career or personal choices."

So, please add her name under Cinema sub-heading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.98.173.254 (talk) 16:35, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Semi-protected edit request on 3 June 2022

Amarinder Singh Former Chief minister of Punjab Vsheoran (talk) 10:46, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Additionally, they must be notable enough for a Wikipedia article. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:51, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amarinder_Singh Vsheoran (talk) 11:52, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Minister_of_Punjab_(India) Vsheoran (talk) 11:53, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Vsheoran: Amarinder Singh is already listed. See List of Jat people#Politics. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:06, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not a complete list

Kartar Singh Sarabha Bhupinder Singh Hooda Feroz Khan Noon Muhammad Rafiq Tarar Rudra4Real (talk) 07:47, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have references of all Rudra4Real (talk) 07:48, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Original researches?

@Rudra4Real: The sources accompanying the entries of Rakesh Singh,[1] Chhelu Ram,[2] Sis Pal Singh,[3] and Munna Lal Mundel,[4] do not explicitly say that they were Jats, only mention that they were soldiers in the Jat Regiment. Though, it is highly possible, but sourcing like these ventures into original research territory, not to mention the Jat Regiment had people from other backgrounds. In my opinion, we should not keep these entries unless ecplicit sources are found. Courtesy pin @Aviral18:. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:20, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Fylindfotberserk Yes they may lead to conflict because Anyone can join Jat regiment. There is not specific that only Jats can join. So we Can remove it or find reliable sources which mention their caste clearly. Rudra4Real (talk) 14:25, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Jat regiment is full single caste regiment.
Munna lal mundel is from 9 Jat regiment and Munna lal Mundel from 2nd Jat battalion as written in sources and these are full single one caste regiment and only recruits from Jat Aviral18 (talk) 16:23, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
sorry for mistake
Munna lal Mundel from 9th jat regiment
Naik Shishpal from 2nd Jat battalion
both are single caste jat based regiment Aviral18 (talk) 16:25, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Aviral18: See this govt source, according to it

Class Composition of the RegtThe Jats as a community started joining the British Indian Army only after mid 1857 when they were first recruited around Delhi to quell the Gurjar rebellion. By 1890’s there were sizeable Jats to form them into Coy gps. By 1920’s there were about four to six Inf Bns (then also called Inf Regts) which had sizeable JAT Troops. During the time of Independence, the JAT Regt had 50% Hindu Jats and 25% Punjabi and 25% Hindustani Muslims. After the departure of Muslim troops to Pakistan, the Regt had pure Hindu Jats troops. As the recruitment policy of the Army changed to accommodate a factor / ratio called the RECRUITABLE MALE POPULATION to provide central govt jobs on a more equitable basis across the country the number of pure Hindu Jats reduced. The Regt today has 89% troops from the Hindu Jats community and the balance are from other castes of North India.

As you can see there were/are sizable non-Jat recruitment in the regiments during British period and present. Please find sources where the persons are declared belonging to Jat caste explicitly. These should be removed for contravening WP:NOR. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:51, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/archive/haryanatribune/2-lt-rakesh-singh-youngest-recipient-of-ashoka-chakra-616187
  2. ^ https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/archive/haryanatribune/chhelu-ram-a-folktale-hero-of-ww-ii-602364
  3. ^ https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/archive/haryanatribune/naik-shishpal-first-mvc-awardee-from-haryana-656779
  4. ^ https://www.spectroom.com/1024470111-munna-lal-mundel

July 2022

There are hundreds of famous Jats missing just because they don’t have wiki page and they have not claimed they are Jats Even Jat olympic medal winners are not there — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4053:2C9F:6C24:E57D:560:2F19:9701 (talk) 18:30, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is how it works in Wikipedia. Requires articles per notability polciy, and for living person, self-identification is required in an interview (reliable news portal or video) or declaration in official tweet, Facebook post, website, etc - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:49, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Praveen kumar in an video which is on youtube said that he is jat but wikipedia not allowing Youtube video as reference Can any solve this problem? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.167.182.66 (talk) 15:39, 13 July 2022 (UTC) Its so painful to see When your community has infinite number of heroes but they cannot be listed just because any Big source has not claimed they are jats — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4053:2E83:8E50:E59E:70DF:4008:18CF (talk) 05:43, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Every community has "infinite number of heroes". But not everybody is notable per Wikipedia guidelines (WP:GNG) apart from self-identification in sources for living ones. That's why the restrictions come. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:53, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please add Sada kaur a formidable sikh leader and served as chief of kanhaiya misl https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/When_Sparrows_Became_Hawks/-7HJ5idB8_QC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Sada+Kaur+Jat&pg=PA61&printsec=frontcover — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4053:20E:9EFC:CC39:7832:B0E6:1DDC (talk) 04:13, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Rudra4real

Plz add Sada kaur And Jind kaur both are Jat leaders Required references are available too — Preceding unsigned comment added by AviJ8 (talk • contribs) 06:39, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is this tweet of Ved Prakash malik enough to prove him Jat?

Plz tell @Fylindfotberserk — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.224.245.125 (talk) 04:21, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please link the tweet's URL here in this discussion. Thanks - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:01, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
https://twitter.com/vedmalik1/status/1514648305438892053?s=21&t=E8RMtyW_JaVxvbrhFI7EIg HistoryviaAT (talk) 11:52, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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