Talk:Glock

Serbian army pistol

Serbian army does not use the Glock pistol but the CZ99, I don't know who put it there and as evidence an random page that describes the Glock 17 pistol is used as a proof, in the text itself it was no where mentioned that Serbian army uses the Glock pistols. It is also not listed in their equipment you can find on internet not even in the Special brigade inventory. Also you can search internet and you will not find a single photo of any serbian soldier holding a Glock pistol. Police specail forces and Gandarmery do use them but they are not part of the army. Also if you insist on puting it there please provide actual proof not some randome page that describes a certain pistol. Thank you 14.03.2017

Follower

Despite its mention here, I find no definition of follower in the COD, Wikipedia, or Wiktionary. I gather from the context that it's the part of the magazine on which the spring that pushes the bullets upwards rests. Is this correct?

Perhaps this can be fixed?

Paul Magnussen (talk) 05:11, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes, your presumption about the follower is correct. WindowstheOS (talk) 21:25, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps that definition should be added as it’s certainly not a well known term.RJS001 (talk) 02:32, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Just added an external link to a UK encyclopedia that had a decent definition. Let me know if this suffices! TrevorS13 (talk) 04:50, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Issue with Polymer Glock Sights Breaking

It's pretty common for the polymer sights that come on Glocks to break - however, I couldn't find good non forum sources for this, so didn't want to include it even though it definitely is worthy of mentioning. Can anyone find a good source to cite for this section?

Link to a forum post discussing: https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/anyone-ever-break-the-plastic-sights.1273126/

WindowstheOS (talk) 21:14, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

A few posts in decade-old forum? Got anything more to go on? Meters (talk) 23:22, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

https://www.snipercountry.com/glock-19-gen-4-problems/ This is an article that mentions it in reference to the gen 4 glocks, though the polymer sights have remained the same at least across gen 3-5 as far as I can tell. I'm going to do some more digging to see what other sources would be good and citable for it. WindowstheOS (talk) 15:42, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Glock Safety Lock

We have a little on this safety lock but it seems to be relatively obscure nowadays. I added some basic citations on the paragraph that already exists on it but it would be grand if someone who understands these things could say more.SP00KYtalk 03:33, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Criminal use section edits

Putting this up in the talk section first because I know it'll be controversial to make edits to that section. I would like to edit it to make sure that the content put there adheres to WP:Firearms guidelines on criminal use since simply being used in a crime is not sufficient. I understand that the requirement that a firearm's use lead to changes in legislation has been deprecated but if the use in a crime(s) significantly increased its notoriety, then that would qualify its inclusion.

When applying those guidelines to the Glock article, I see the increase in notoriety primarily would be in the form of increased recognition and discussion about the article's subject (Glock firearms). So, if a criminal used an M&P-15 rifle in a mass shooting which caused notoriety and/or discussion in the public about the firearm used and an editor wanted to include that discussion on the M&P-15 page, said discussion would have to be related to the M&P-15 specifically. If people decry the use of "black rifles" or AR-style rifles and it's in reliable sources, that's a valid point to make....on the AR-15 style rifle page, not on the M&P-15 page.

Of the 4 sources mentioned, 3 directly address the mainspace article's subject, Glock. The Post and Courier article mentions it briefly in passing. The incidents listed as involving glocks should be paired down to those which resulted in discussion/notoriety about Glock itself. A crime may have occurred in which a Glock may have been used but if the subsequent discussion isn't about Glock itself, the incident shouldn't be included. If the discussion isn't about Glock itself but more generally about gun control, then it can be discussed and cited on the gun control article or even "firearm" page.

With that in mind, the section on criminality should include Virginia Tech 2007, 2012 Tucson, 2012 Aurora, 2012 Sandy Hook, 2013 Hialeah shooting (added), 2015 Charleston, 2016 Orlando night club, and 2022 NYC subway since they are the incidents discussed by the Washington Post, Vice, and Reuters articles. The 2011 Norway and 2018 Pittsburgh synagogue attacks would be removed. The Post and Courier source would also be removed since it only mentions Glock in passing.

I personally think the reasons given for the notoriety and discussion about it are pretty stupid because they're like saying "I like using Black and Deckers when I kneecap people because they're reliable and don't break down on you" but I'm not the "expert" being interviewed. That being said, if reliable sources are saying it, then it can be discussed on Glock's page.Jasonkwe (talk) (contribs) 06:25, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

I agree this is a section that needs work. There was a discussion in 2019 related to cleaning up this content [1]. My read is there was a consensus to fix this section and some ideas for how to do it but no one made the effort. Take a look at the discussion and give it a shot. If you are concerned about people rejecting it then propose the text on the talk page and see if anyone objects. If they don't go ahead and make the change. If nothing else, making section here where you are asking others to help edit the text will ensure good buy in and that we don't have edit wars. Springee (talk) 15:12, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

@Springee: Haha yep, I definitely read it over and that's where I got my understanding of the WP undue and WP Firearms guidelines. I'll put up a draft below and see what people think.

Glock pistols have been used in mass shootings including the the 1991 Luby's shooting, the 2007 Virginia Tech shooting, the 2011 Tucson shooting, the 2012 Aurora shooting, the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, the the 2015 Charleston church shooting, the 2016 Orlando nightclub shooting, and the 2022 NYC subway shooting. Experts on gun control, mass shootings, and defense training have cited factors such as reliability, ease of use, and commonness. The criminal use of these weapons has led to calls for increased gun control in the United States. This common usage, however, has been pointed out by Paul M. Barrett to be a result of Glock's overall popularity and market presence in the US and that "this level of violence isn’t necessarily tied to a particular[,] to a brand". In the late 80s, gun control advocates had similarly focused on Glock pistols because of their magazine capacity (compared to six shot revolvers), but also their "futuristic, distinct appearance". They were singled out for restriction by some jurisdictions and were branded the "hijacker's special" based on the false assumption that they could bypass airport metal detectors because of their polymer frame. This was soundly refuted in Congressional hearings by the ATF, FAA, and other organizations responsible for airline security, which proved highly embarrassing for the bans' advocates and provided significant publicity for Glock. In April 2022, Ilene Steur, a survivor of the 2022 NYC subway attack, sued Glock and its Austrian parent company for compensation for her physical injuries and emotional pain.

The final bit that somebody added about the lawsuit was interesting because Barrett's article mentions state and federal legislation which prevent such lawsuits, namely, the PLCAA. But apparently lawsuits which target the company's advertising as "immoral, unethical, oppressive and unscrupulous" were recently greenlit in a lawsuit involving the 2012 Sandy Hook shooting. Interesting as that is, I'm not sure discussion on the legality of the lawsuits belongs on the Glock page (though I will definitely add it to PLCAA's page) Jasonkwe (talk) (contribs) 17:41, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Concentrating attention on mass shootings is disingenuous. Somebody needs to collate the statistics on illegal firearms seized by law enforcement. Since this article starts down the slippery slope by mentioning legitimately manufactured clones, it should complete the trip by mentioning Ghost Gun frames that are part compatible with Glock frames. And while you're at it, ask the ATF why they persist in issuing letters to Ghost Gun frame manufacturers that are interpreted to authorize the sale of these frames to any and all persons who are able to receive mail at a U.S. address. The typical Glock compatible Ghost Gun frame can be converted into a functioning firearm in 15 minutes using common hand tools - Drill some holes, carve off a few plastic tabs, and you're good to go. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:6AE5:2510:0:0:0:46 (talk) 16:23, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Why 'Glock' and not 'Glock pistol'?

It seems somewhat strange to me that the article title for the handgun was simply 'Glock'. As I understand 'Glock' is common term for the handgun, but it just seems insufficient. I even searched 'Glock' myself, thinking I'd get the article to the company. I've even seen people in firearms communities naturally speak with this discern in any conversation without thought. AirNinja (talk) 03:44, 10 September 2022 (UTC)