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"Template:R ih" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Template:R ih and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 July 27#Template:R ih until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 23:05, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

July drive bling

		The Minor Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to Jonesey95 for copy edits totaling between 1 and 3,999 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE July 2022 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 23:23, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

August 2022 GOCE blitz award

		The Minor Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to Jonesey95 for copy edits totaling between 1 and 1,999 words (including rollover words) during the GOCE August 2022 Copy Editing Blitz. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Dhtwiki (talk) 05:52, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Null infobox data

Welcome back. See this infobox, where is says |power=watt, and mass and dimension have empty convert templates too. I have been seeing this for last couple of months. It's been done by my many different editors. I've left messages for a few asking them to just leave blank fields blank. Would you have any idea where this is coming from? MB 21:27, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's coming from people using the beta Visual Editor, which obeys the programming code in the Template Data section of the documentation for {{Infobox spaceflight}}. Do a find for "power" and you will see an ill-advised "Auto value" of "watts", added there almost three years ago by AntiCompositeNumber. That auto value should be removed from the Template Data section, which, like the rest of the documentation page, is not protected. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:27, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I use the source editor and have no familiarity with Template Data. I removed these auto values, and another one I see frequently from {{Infobox mobile phone}}. That should keep Category:Convert errors cleaner. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. MB 14:01, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think I have removed the auto values from {{infobox spaceflight}}, but it happened again in this edit today. Is this a caching issue or something? MB 17:41, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I can't explain that one. I have null-edited the template itself to see if that helps. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:02, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Table alignment

I've been thinking about table alignment and it if it's needed on large tables then it can end up being a lot of code to add for each cell, such as one of the options below:

|| {{center|xxx}}
|| align="center" | xxx
|| style="text-align:center;" | xxx

When the whole table is all aligned the same, style="text-align:center;" can be used at the top of the table. It would be nice though if we could do something similar when the alignment if different for different columns. With css such as User:WOSlinker/tables.css added via templatestyles and classes this can be done, although there are limitations when colspans are used.

Below is a short example.

{{User:WOSlinker/table alignment}}
{| class="wikitable defaultcenter col1left col4right"
...
|}

Item1	Item2	Item3	Item4
AAAAAA	100-200	3-4	53.43
BBB	5-6	7-8	5563.35
CC	9-10	113-125	322313.00

I need to do a bit more work on it but just wondering if you think it would be worth progressing? -- WOSlinker (talk) 22:38, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting. This is an FAQ about table column alignment, and it is best answered at Help:Table, where the recommended code is sorely lacking in the ability to set alignment per column. I think you should keep working on it and then post at that Help Talk page, or at VPT, to get feedback. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:55, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Brilliant Idea Barnstar
	I'm new, but I recognize your hard work on wikipedia Christian CG1 (talk) 21:42, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Linter in FAC

I've noticed a couple of your fixed today for linter errors in FAC headings - I believe the italics point that has required changes is in a FAC pre-load thing. Is the issue in the FAC preload itself, or is my signature messing things up. If it's the former, then the FAC preload needs changed (I'm an FAC coord, which is why I find this of importance), and if it's the latter, I can just change my signature. Hog Farm _Talk 16:46, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's not your fault, and I think I have fixed all of the affected pages (at least ones with your signature on them). It is a subtle interaction that appears only when there are italics inside other tags, all nested inside the italics of the FAC "nominator" line. I fixed the FAC preload page. It is all quite trivial, but minor misnesting errors like this can lead to page display problems when the parser stops working around invalid syntax. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:51, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for taking the trouble to fix these! Hog Farm _Talk 16:55, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations from the Military History Project

		Military history reviewers' award
		On behalf of the Military History Project, I am proud to present the The Milhist reviewing award (1 stripe) for participating in 1 review between April and June 2022. Peacemaker67 (talk) via MilHistBot (talk) 07:18, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply] Keep track of upcoming reviews. Just copy and paste `{{WPMILHIST Review alerts}}` to your user space

Thank you!

Hello, Jonesey95,

I just wanted to thank you for catching this non-template content that is put on Template pages. I think because new editors can not create articles, and many seem to not know about Draft space, they start articles on Template pages or on Article Talk pages. We have a Quarry query that now reports orphaned Talk pages where editors have started articles but, as far as Template space, we rely on editors working in and familiar with that namespace to come across misplaced pages and tag them for deletion. So, thank you for doing so! I'm sure you have seem much surprising content that has been hidden away in Template space, sometimes for years, before an editor has stumbled across it. I think there are unused template reports but someone still must have to go through those long lists. Your work is appreciated! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:58, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the note. A group of us has pretty much caught up with the unused templates (no transclusions). There was a lot of accidental junk in there, which you noticed me marking for deletion last year. I am slowly working my way through the 9,000 templates at Wikipedia:Database reports/Uncategorized templates now, and there is a bunch of similar stuff, but this time with a single transclusion. For the obvious garbage, I have been substing the templates (typically in a user sandbox page) and then marking them for speedy deletion. Unless anyone else decides to go through this report at high speed, it will probably take me a few months to get through it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:02, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

User:FlightTime/UBX/Archive helper

Can you please explain exactly what the problem is here? - FlightTime (open channel) 20:14, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I was working around a bug in MediaWiki. Do a Find on mw:Help:Images for "If there is a space character" to see If there is a space character between link and the equals sign, the link statement will be treated as a caption. and If there is a space character between alt and the equals sign, the alt statement will be treated as a caption. Notice that in the previous revision, your link was not working. Alt text, if it had been present, would not have worked either. The bug report is at T306216. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:22, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Now I understand, thank you. - FlightTime (open channel) 23:58, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Template:Gardheere-samaale=edit" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Template:Gardheere-samaale=edit and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 25#Template:Gardheere-samaale=edit until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. --Minorax^«¦talk¦» 05:07, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template:collapsed infobox section begin & linter errors

Please have a look at this edit I made to Philip DeFranco to fixed linter errors caused by {{collapsed infobox section begin}}. It was the only way I found to tie-in with the div tags added by the template's |div=yes parameter. Leaving out |div=yes messes up the output. Is there a cleaner solution to this problem? Thanks. —Bruce1ee ^talk 09:26, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

<div>...</div> tags often (but not always, confusingly) need to be at the start of a new line. In many cases, simply adding a line break or removing colon indent formatting will fix this sort of problem. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:06, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but there are still two lint errors, a stripped tag and a missing end tag. I did try starting the template on a new line. —Bruce1ee ^talk 13:14, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oof, I've got egg on my face. I thought I had checked it before saving. I just tried six different ways to resolve this problem, and none of them worked. I punted and claimed MOS:HIDE in my edit summary. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:42, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough! I did the same hack on Kausea Natano here, but I'm not sure how to convert a collapsed infobox section template to one that's not collapsed. When you have a moment, could you look at that one as well please. Thanks. —Bruce1ee ^talk 17:04, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am inclined to leave it as is. When fixing Linter errors, I prefer to change the formatting of the page as little as possible, lest I rekindle contentious issues about formatting that had been discussed and agreed upon by consensus. If Lint-fixing becomes disruptive, we'll be asked to stop doing it, and I don't think that will be good for the long-term health of the encyclopedia. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:39, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks. —Bruce1ee ^talk 20:54, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

La Junta

what is "please use preview" supposed to mean? Nevermore27 (talk) 22:31, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Use the "Show preview" button to see what a proposed edit will look like. If it looks good and you do not see any errors, then click Publish. In this case, your edit modified the article to call templates that do not exist, thereby breaking the color scheme in the tables. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:58, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

what sense?

Hi, Jonesey95!

About Follow the link. All formatting tags that are opened must be closed. The syntax highlighter gadget is helpful

Where the link to Follow?

Please, explain a sense for closing of ''' or '' in the end of row, e.g.

a b c d

is the same

a b c d

— Yuri V. (t•c) 19:34, 28 September 2022 (UTC).[reply]

I meant the link to Linter that was in my previous edit summary. The page had a missing end tag error, which is explained at mw:Help:Lint_errors/missing-end-tag. I recommend enabling the Syntax highlighter gadget, which you can do at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:12, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The main question is #what sense?. Sorry, no answer: what's the point? Agree that putting ''' or '' at the end of the line makes no sense. The bot violates optimality, because it is enough to put ''' or '' at the beginning of the line. Therefore, I ask you to fix the bot so that it always removes ''' or '' at the end of the line in such cases. Or at least forbid the bot to put ''' or '' at the end rows, because it violates the principle of optimality. — Yuri V. (t•c) 20:31, 29 September 2022 (UTC).[reply]

I don't make the rules. On Wikipedia, and in HTML and XML and many other markup languages, tags need to be balanced. If you would like to work within a system that you view as optimal, you are welcome to edit a different web site. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:09, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Portal lint

Thanks for all the painstaking work sorting out the Linter errors on Portals and elsewhere. Gnomes don't always receive the recognition they deserve, and no single edit is going to transform Wikipedia, but in total they're leaving the pages in a much tidier state for the future. Certes (talk) 18:53, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for noticing. Portal pages are a real pain, because they transclude portions of pages that sometimes have their own Linter errors in them, and the LintHint tool does not work properly. Special:ExpandTemplates usually works, thankfully. Also, there are a couple of bugs in related templates that I have reported; the error count can't go to zero until those are fixed or worked around (and all possible transcluded article space errors are fixed). I think that I have about 30 more stripped tags to do before I declare victory and retreat. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:04, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

That is a really great fix! 85.238.101.64 (talk) 03:40, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. All it takes is some common sense and a read through the template's documentation. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:35, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I feel your irony ) By adding "-" (or "By" later) I was only trying to maneuver between/satisfy the dissatisfaction of other editors about the article was falling into various erroneous categories after emptying the field... Then you were dissatisfied. Dead end. 85.238.103.38 (talk) 14:47, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

September drive bling

		The Modest Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to Jonesey95 for copy edits totaling over 4,000 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE September 2022 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 19:12, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Supplementary

Hello. How do I cite the supplementary material for a journal article? Specifically this one. LittleJerry (talk) 21:35, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would put https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4235892/bin/13280_2014_534_MOESM1_ESM.pdf in the |url= parameter of {{cite journal}}. For the title, I would write "Ganges River Dolphin: An Overview of Biology, Ecology, and Conservation Status in India (Supplementary material 1)". – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:58, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template for Wolfgang Hoffmann - MB's talk page

Left this message there earlier but not sure you got it: "Thank you! Will follow up the category reference and save the link for future reference. Cheers!!! Shir-El too 09:44, 10 October 2022 (UTC)" Again Cheers! Shir-El too 15:56, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:57, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bug you reported

I'm sorry to bother you on your talk page, but I don't see your comment in any ticket. Can you please point me to your comment, so that I can ask the team about it? Thanks! Sannita (WMF) (talk) 15:29, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]