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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by 2.96.142.189 (talk) at 11:02, 7 January 2023 (→‎Should we separate the article into 2 pages (the original series & the revival)?). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Categories

Would it be better for this to be in Category:Television shows set in Greater Manchester rather than Category:Television shows set in Manchester as it currently is? Rochdale is not in Manchester (assuming the area is correctly defined as the city of Manchester) but is in the metropolitan county of Greater Manchester. Dunarc (talk) 21:57, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have changed this as the evidence is pretty clear that Category:Television shows set in Greater Manchester is more appropriate. Dunarc (talk) 21:20, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Awards

Three “wins” listed in the awards table for Best Actress (2014 and 2015) and Best Continuing Drama (2015) are dubious.
Adressing each one in turn…

Heather Peace (Nikki Boston): Best Actress in 2014 - Winner.

Although not definitive, there is no evidence of this via any internet search, nor is it mentioned on the actors Wikipedia and IMDB pages.
Original entry added to wikipedia page by unregistered user 86.1.94.111 at 20:51, 6 April 2014 and incorrectly cited as TV Quick Awards 2007; https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Waterloo_Road_%28TV_series%29&type=revision&diff=603056083&oldid=603000055

Laura Aikman (Lorna Hutchinson): Best Actress in 2015 - Winner.

Again, although not definitive, there is no evidence of this via any internet search and nor is it mentioned on the actors Wikipedia and IMDB pages.
Original entry added to wikipedia page by Wtarlooroadfan at 21:46, 8 March 2015 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Waterloo_Road_%28TV_series%29&type=revision&diff=650509625&oldid=650507482 and incorrectly cited as TV Quick Awards 2007; declared a winner by unregistered user 90.200.227.74 at 16:37, 10 May 2015. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Waterloo_Road_%28TV_series%29&type=revision&diff=661717603&oldid=661713546

Best Continuing Drama (2015). Winner.

Again, although not definitive, there is no evidence of this via any internet search.
Original entry added by unregistered user 86.1.94.111 at 16:03, 21 August 2015 and incorrectly cited as TV Quick Awards 2007; https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Waterloo_Road_%28TV_series%29&type=revision&diff=677170088&oldid=675504940

The problematic citations of TV Quick awards are further discredited as according to the Wikipedia page when the publication ceased in 2010 so did the awards under that name. They were renamed the TV Choice awards and the winners from 2009 to the present day are listed on the wikipedia page. These record only a single win for Waterloo Road cast, crew or the series itself. (Best family drama: 2009)

Other awards checked:

  • The Inside Soap Awards wikipedia entry shows wins in 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014 for Best Drama, and a nomination for the same in 2015 (now added to the table)
  • The main Royal Television Society (RTS) awards again shows neither any wins nor nominations for Waterloo Road cast, crew or the series itself in the years of broadcast. The North West Regional awards however yield a previously unrecorded award for Ann McManus (Waterloo Road): Best Script Writer in 2010. Search for regional awards for Scotland again show neither any wins nor nominations for Waterloo Road cast, crew or the series itself.
I've had a look online and can also find nothing for the uncited awards. I've added tags to the IMDb sources as IMDb cannot be used as a reference per WP:CITEIMDB as it is a user-generated site like Wikipedia. I also ensured everything is linked only once per MOS:OL. Pinging @JuneGloom07 and Raintheone: as they may have some offline newspaper sources that mention the awards? – DarkGlow • 20:30, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hey. I will look into this online. So far I have verified TV Quick & Choice awards for 2007-2011 that were marked.
  • TV Quick and TV Choice Awards 2007: Winners: [1]
  • TV Quick and TV Choice Awards 2007: Noms: [2] Winners:[3]
  • TV Quick and TV Choice Awards 2009: Noms[4] Winners: [5]
  • TV Choice Awards 2010 Noms: [6] Winners: [7]
  • TV Choice Awards 2011 Noms: [8] - All the above verified.
  • TV Choice Awards 2013: Noms: [9] - Nom is missing from article
  • TV Choice Awards 2014: Noms: [10] - Nom is missing from article
  • NTAs 2011: Longlist noms [11] Winners: [12] - 1 win verified, 2 longlist noms missing
  • NTAs 2012: Longlist noms [13] - 2 Noms verified, 1 longlist nom missing
  • 2014 Heather Peace ISA or TV Choice Win? - [14] - Never even nominated - The show was nominated for the TV Choice Best Drama award though [15] but lost [16]
  • 2015 Laura Aikman ISA or TV Choice Win? - [17][18][19] - Actress never even nominated - no mentions of a Best Continuing Drama award for Waterloo Road.
I think the answers all the question marks. Since the ones marked as dubious are not true, they should be removed now.Rain the 1 22:31, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Should we separate the article into 2 pages (the original series & the revival)?

Do you think we should split this article into 2 seperate articles like IMBD and the BBC official website?

The BBC is clearly marketing the series as a revival/A different show, starting from series 1 (And not 11 as our article has listed) wiith all new cast and branding [20]https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0djrc1t [21]https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0djrcrr

perhaps we should have
- Waterloo Road (2006 TV Series)
- Waterloo Road (2023 TV Series)

This avoids confusion on the fact there are 2 series 1s and make us factually correct and not list "series 11" which has never been mentioned in any official BBC press release.

it would also clean up the article Andrew1829 (talk) 03:29, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. While I suspect that the BBC's renumbering of the series is primarily to attract audiences unfamiliar with previous series, it would help make the article easier to navigate given its current length (especially if the series is renewed), and certainly doesn't feel too awkward given the largely new casting. Also a note to say that I've added the 'split' tag on the article page and will now notify some contributors (see WP:SPLIT). _MB190417_ (talk) 18:37, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Davey2010:@Soaper1234:@WikiEditor73:@GrexHarmony:@DBD:@Tiffy0900:@Wormwell:@WaterlooRdBeast:@MediDude4345:@Lawsj123:@Butlerblog:@Onel5969:@Matthew R Dunn:@AscotLEE:@Pbassett:@Dl2000:@Croxley:@CobraWiki:
Pinging you as you have been involved in either this article or related ones that would also be split (episodes, characters) _MB190417_ (talk) 18:53, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support for the same reasons given above. GrexHarmony (talk) 20:08, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. Revivals, reboots, and 2nd runs are not the same show. Putting shows together in a single article with their extended or rebooted versions usually leads to confusion with infoboxes and various MOS sections. Better to split it. ButlerBlog (talk) 20:46, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above - IMDB and BBC are treating the revival as an entirely new show and not a continuation of the original version (the 2006 version is now titled "Waterloo Road (2006-2015"[22][23] and the 2023 revival is titled either "Waterloo Road"[24] or "Waterloo Road 2023-[25]) so makes sense to follow suit. –Davey2010Talk 21:19, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unsure. I'm torn. Whilst I understand the points made above, a revival to me suggests that there is a lack of continuation except the name and basic concept. Characters and stories (Donte and Chloe, their baby, Kim's son etc.) from the previous series have continued into this series. I also wouldn't be surprised if we see some other characters from the first series in future series too... I'm open to hear more on this. Soaper1234 - talk 21:31, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I think the sources are reasonably clear. Not being paper, we can always change if the sources change long-term. DBD 22:01, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The BBC have marked it as Series 1 because of the fact that it is a soft-reboot, none of the previous characters have been returned, and it looks like a completely different show within a completely different show within the franchise. Personally, I think differentiating the two would have a significant positive impact, to avoid any confusion, but still has links to the previous series. Whilst the show has links to Waterloo Road, it is now a totally different show, with totally different plotlines, all but two cast members returning. I would personally consider this a spin-off. Whilst former characters are returning, we've seen this in spin-offs of other tv shows, to keep it in the spin-off genre, whilst also tying links to the former program. I think this would be a really good idea.(talk) 22:07, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The BBC marketing it as Series 1 doesn't really matter, it's only because they are trying to diferentiate the show with the audience to the original. Wall to Wall who make it have slated it as Series 11 as have many of the actors in it (listen to the official podcast on BBC sounds) and also the media releasing the DVD in March. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Waterloo-Road-DVD-Angela-Griffin/dp/B0BN6KXRS4/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3SFWFM1OX2UL&keywords=waterloo+road&qid=1673089229&s=dvd&sprefix=waterloo+road%2Cdvd%2C74&sr=1-1. Honestly though, I'm fairly indifferent but i'd day keep as is for now and see what happens as it progresses beyond the episodes release so far

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