User talk:Ngio

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Chukchi

I wasn't sure if it was phonemes or allophones. We should go with the slashes since wikipedia convention is to use slashes brackets and to not leave IPA unsandwiched. There's an IPA warning at the top of the page so readers can learn more about IPA if they need to. AEuSoes1 16:53, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

International Four Days Marches Nijmegen

Please check: Talk:International_Four_Day_March_Nijmegen#International Four Days Marches Nijmegen Vdegroot 13:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Languages

Hello. Oh, I'm sorry. Should they be reverted to "lang-stub" or is some other stub they fit in ? - Darwinek 10:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I have reverted all you have mentioned. If there will be another ones in need of reverting just let me know. Also if you will need any help or assistance just leave me a message. - Darwinek 19:30, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"austronesian language phylum"

Hi Ngio,

Thanks for the message, and thanks for welcoming me to the effort regarding Austronesian languages! Sorry about the language phylum thing. I was mislead by Roger Blench (repeatedly, in his case, across at least three papers), as well as Ethnologue, Encyclopedia Britannica, etc.:

Blench, just one example

Ethnologue

Blench in particular seems quite fond of saying, "Austronesian is the second-largest language phylum in the world after Niger-Congo."

I was surprised that... apparently the Austronesian article has been left (at worst) blatantly incorrect or (at best) fatally vague on the issue of the homeland, and I am still puzzled by the classification of the Formosan languages (but I know that no less than seventeen schemes were discussed by Blust in 1999).

Anyhow, sorry for the mistake, and thanks for the tip. I fixed the mistake a minute or two ago.

Later, Ling.Nut 13:59, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your follow-up comments are incisive & instructive. Do you know anyting about Taiwanese aborigines? I could use some help. But seriously, I don't want to go back to calling Austronesian "one of the largest language families in the world." It may be the only position left after a series of retreats from attempts to make it more clear... but it just sounds weak/lame/imprecise/weasel-word-ish. I have actually found sources that name Austronesian as the largest family... Suggestions?

Thanks! Ling.Nut 15:07, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Niger-Congo v. Austronesian

Hi again,

As you pointed out, the status of Niger-Congo as a language family is debatable and debated. However, the feeling I'm getting from quick research (including the article you pointed out to me) is that it seems to be dealt with as a language family far more often than not. Perhaps some consensus has coalesced around the idea that the evidence for the grouping as a family is strong enough that the burden of proof has shifted to those who claim that it is not a genetic grouping? If most (but not all) linguists say Niger-Congo is a family, then I say Majority Rules. By extension, I would want to revert back to the sentence about Austronesian being the 2d largest family.

Much ado about nothing, maybe, but it just seems far more informative than other options.

Cheers, Ling.Nut 21:08, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't mind if you do that. Like I said before, this kind of ranking exercise is interesting trivia, not anything scientifically important. If you say that AN is the second largest family after the N-C family, then people who don't believe that the genetic unity of N-C is properly established will know how to interpret it. -- Ngio 08:54, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Austronesian structure

Ngio,

Threw out some comments re Austronesian structure on the talk page, if you wanna chip in. Cheers --Ling.Nut 19:38, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oppenheimer's IP editor fan club

Somehow or other I didn't notice on my watchlist that Oppenheimer's IP editor fan club had actually altered the Austronesian languages article. Your remarks on the talk page were much more clear than what I was planning to say. Would you care to have a go at addressing the contents of the page?? I mean... well... it just seems kinda Da Vinci Code-ish to me.

Many thanks --Ling.Nut 02:42, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've had a go. Ngio 08:36, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Perfect. I would've added another paragraph refuting the new one, then would've wondered why the article still looked like cr*p. The "less is more" approach you took is infinitely preferable. :-)

--Ling.Nut 12:50, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oppenheimer merging

At the very least it would be good if the two articles mentioned the fact that the documentary is based on his book. If I didn't already know this fact I couldn't tell this from either article. T@nn 21:01, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

AIV

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"related groups"

HI Ngio, Thanks for your message...

Feel free to drop a note on the Ethnic groups talk page to say that some groups should have this field! The unilateral removal of the field is irksome.
I made an arg. about using it for Taiwanese aborigines, which one of the two aforementioned editors thought was referring to using it for Austronesian people.. but whatever.. I'm tired of arguing with those two...
I've actually been thinking about you (yes, you) off and on over the past couple weeks. :-) Sometime in August or September I wanna return to the Austronesian languages article and fix what needs to be fixed/add what needs to be added... and I really wanna get rid of those lists of languages etc. at the bottom of the page! I wanna move them off onto their own separate list, wikilinked to the main article. I expect a small storm of protest, but I believe WP:MOS says that articles should not include such long lists. BTW, look at the history of the article over the past several months! No one is improving the content of the article; everyone is tinkering with (and arguing over) those lists. The lists are edit magnets. I vote: Move them off to a separate "list of" article... I'm hoping I can get your support (a couple months down the road) in the effort to do both things: add content to the article, and move the list shtuff off. I'll see ya 'round! Ling.Nut 13:47, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

People to People Student Ambassador Program

I was intimidated a while back by one very belligerent Wikipedia user into essentially abandoning the P2P article, trying to see if more evidence about the program can be made available. In all honesty, I can't seem to tell the difference between People to People International and Ambassadors Group, even though I'm sure that Mary Eisenhower would likely disagree with me, even strongly.

What I find interesting is that the original program, as established by President Eisenhower, seemed to have been run quite a bit different than the current heavy commercial nature that seems to be the case now. This historical version of the program is something I would actually like to learn more about. It is this historical version of what is called "People to People" that is IMHO being exploited by the Ambassador Group to earn the astronomical salaries that are enjoyed by its executives.

If you want some very interesting literature about the People to People program, I would suggest that you read this annual report that the Ambassador's Group filed last December:

http://sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1162315/000116231507000016/form10k2006.htm

While PPI claims that they "run" People to People Student Ambassadors, Ambassador Group claims the trademark rights, and their annual report reads very nearly like what I would expect with a for-profit travel company. There is even hardly a mention of PPI at all. This filing is relevant for the salaries of the people running this program:

http://sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1162315/000116231507000019/def14a.htm

The President and CEO of Ambassador Group, Jeffrey D. Thomas, received $2,502,203
Executive Vice President, Margaret M. Thomas, $746,919
Chief Financial Officer, Chadwick J. Byrd, $286,900

While I am not particularly against people who can produce results in a business, and Mr. Thomas seems to be certainly worth it in terms of being able to successfully run a growing company, I don't see how encouraging kids to run a bake sales and hitting up their neighbors to go on a trip to Australia or China to help pay for these trips and these salaries is necessarily a good thing. If you are an upper middle-class family and have the financial resources to send your kids on one of these trips, I think it is a good thing to do. And as I said in an earlier reply about this topic, you would be money ahead if you and your child simply booked a trip through a normal travel agency and went together and shared that experience as a parent and child. Of course that would mean you would have to actually think for a bit and actually have to take time off from your schedule to share some time with your kids. --Robert Horning 23:49, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

*thurrkan

That is the equivalent of your name in proto-Paman.*Kutaka(-lu) 02:19, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of Austronesian languages

Hi Ngio, hope you're doing well. I got sick of the knuckleheads yammering about the list w/in Austronesian languages, so I moved it to List of Austronesian languages. The article is an article, not a list, as per Wikipedia:Embedded list. Would you back me up if anyone squawks? Thanks Ling.Nut 16:54, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ling.Nut. I agree that the list is better moved out, but maybe the list fanciers would be happier if the link to List of Austronesian languages was more prominent and better integrated into the text. Apart from everything else it would mean that people would be forever recreating it. -- Ngio 21:05, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Put a link wherever you think best. I'm just sick of the list and the squabbling. Hey, think we can get rid of that huge Cross-linguistic Comparison Chart while we're at it? Suggestions? Thanks Ling.Nut 22:47, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I'll give it a go. And obviously the Cross Linguistic Comparison Chart has to go too. The politic thing would be to preserve it as a separate list, but the same thing that it attempts to do is done much better in other places, e.g. the Austronesian Basic Vocabulary Database. I'll try to figure something out. -- Ngio 05:43, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The dialogue above goes some way to explaining your excisions on Austronesian languages just now but it might have been better if you had discussed these changes before they occurred on that article's talk page - as you intimated you had already done in the first of your very bold edits...Gaimhreadhan ^{(kiwiexile at DMOZ)}talk • 21:55, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It was certainly bolder than my normal line in editing. If people want to bring the table back, or to put it as its own list-style article, it is still retrievable. Personally I don't think it's a good idea, which is why I didn't do it myself. I should have written my note on Talk:Austronesian languages before editing the article rather than after, sorry about that. -- Ngio 22:20, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Apology accepted now I've read your comments on Talk:Austronesian languages. Thanks for explaining things there...Gaimhreadhan ^{(kiwiexile at DMOZ)}talk • 00:01, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(undent) I, on the other hand, deeply and sincerely appreciate your efforts. Good on you!! Ling.Nut 12:59, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Probable incorrect Citation

Thanks for the advice about Leslie Feinberg's incorrect replicated book citations on ethno. groups. The citations are spread out across the world so I doubt it's a correct non-primary source from the anthropologist Hermann Baumann. They have also have been placed in historical articles like the Scythians and Babylonia. I've deleted two-dozen or so across wikipedia. -Kain Nihil 05:36, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ohh, I traced many of the edits to User:Markwiki, though the new citation the day before yesterday was by an IP address, yet it may be the same user. The semi-protected and protected articles Ute tribe, Sioux and Madagascar have the citations as well, I don't have admin, so I cannot edit those incorrect referenced articles. The user thus may still be placing the copied citations throughout wikipedia, since I'm not an admin yet, I would rather not contact the user to indicate to cite correctly (and change the protected articles), unless anyone else does not. thanks -Kain Nihil 06:32, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for Pozdniakov

Thanks for the link to the Pozdniakov² article. I've used it to substantially expand the rongorongo article, hopefully for the better! — kwami (talk) 08:08, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've now put it up for FA if you wish to comment.[1] — kwami (talk) 01:54, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pahlavi and Rotokas

Hello. The note was not made by me. I just formatted it. Regards. FilipeS (talk) 19:42, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

About Austronesian & Malay

Note that the addition of the italicized part you mean are new in Malay race & the cited source there don't stated that.That's why i delete it in the two pages.
Besides Austronesian people is based on linguistics (now sometimes include genetics). So note the difference.
Ayrenz (talk) 12:58, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

лыгъоравэтлъан йилйил

Hi, I saw that you uploaded Image:Chukchi primer cover.jpg.

I've got a question about it. Could you please take a look at Talk:Chukchi_language#Primer? Thanks. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 15:32, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rongorongo

Hi Ngio,

Rongorongo is up for FAC again. I'd appreciate your input, if you have the time. kwami (talk) 09:28, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

...if you get bored

Hi Ngio ...if you get bored..you can help out with User:Ling.Nut/ELAS or User:Ling.Nut/ELO. :-) Ling.Nut ^(WP:3IAR) 12:04, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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vandalism of ethnonyms

Hi Ngio,

As for this edit, that wasn't a one-off. That editor has been making dozens, perhaps hundreds, of such changes under various IP addresses. Most of them are more subtle (such as repeating the name with various diacritics thrown in,[2] or making a plausible-looking IPA transliteration) and are not usually recognized as vandalism. It's getting to be a problem. Any suggestions on how to handle this? — kwami (talk) 23:20, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Russian translation

Hello. I was on Wikipedia:Translators available and notice that you were on the list for Russian to English translators and wondered if you could translate Maria Vladimirovna of Staritsa and/or Vladimir of Staritsa? Thanks.--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 00:04, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Request for translation/verification

There's an issue at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Abkhazian Network News Agency showing video interviews with Houla massacre survivors (plus Syria News) which needs someone with Russian skills to either translate or verify an existing translation of a video report in Russian. If you are available for this task please report your accepting the assignment in the linked thread above, as I'm also making this request to a couple of other Russian translators. __meco (talk) 18:25, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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