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925 hPa

On record Tropical Tidbit : recorded 925 hPa. Nguyễn Quốc Anh (1248) (talk) 03:48, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

But according to the MFR (Official Regional Specialized Meteorological Centre for the South-West Indian Ocean), the estimated peak of the storm is 931 hPa, and we don't recognize the estimated from the JTWC. HurricaneEdgar 04:44, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Data in Zoom Earth recorded 924 hPa. Because don't plane chaser goto there, that is miss data. Nguyễn Quốc Anh (1248) (talk) 14:27, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We still use MFR estimates and zoom.earth uses data from the JTWC. RandomInfinity17 (talk - contributions) 22:49, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
JTWC : 925 & Zoom earth : 924 -> so 1hPa different. Nguyễn Quốc Anh (1248) (talk) 14:23, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For more information regarding on resources see. Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical cyclones/Project resources HurricaneEdgar 04:36, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That is so different data, this Quest don't have any Ans. 931 - 924 hPa. Nguyễn Quốc Anh (1248) (talk) 11:44, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Officially, the Joint Typhoon Warning Center (JTWC) estimated a barometric pressure of 924 mbars and Météo-France estimated that it has a pressure of 931 mbar. We are going to wait for the subsequent re-analyzes possibly in 2025 or before. МОДОКАУ 19:42, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
After the storm dissipates, it is hoped that the World Meteorological Agency can re-evaluate the pressure of this storm because it is C.5 but cannot be higher than the C.4 storm that is Darian in the period season okay. Nguyễn Quốc Anh (1248) (talk) 10:25, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
After the storm dissipates, it is hoped that the World Meteorological Agency can re-evaluate the pressure of this storm because it is C.5 but cannot be higher than the C.4 storm that is Darian in this period season.
C.4 Darian : 920 hPa
C.5 Freddy : 931 hPa
So Freddy has broken a lot of records, but without understanding what pressure gauge makes this year's TC season make Darian stand out, it's absurd. You should keep in mind that in the East Sea of Vietnam in Southeast Asia, the indicators are rarely accurate, while in the Gulf of Mexico of the United States of America, they are almost always very accurate, clear, and fast. Nguyễn Quốc Anh (1248) (talk) 10:35, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Mỗi cơ quan khí tượng chuyên phụ trách một lưu vực bão đều có hệ thống máy tính, vệ tinh ước tính và đánh giá sức mạnh cơn bão về áp suất và sức gió khác nhau, cho nên các chỉ số mỗi lưu vực là khác nhau hoàn toàn chứ không thể giống nhau được. Vệ Thần - Talk 19:42, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sources for impact

@HurricaneEdgar and RandomInfinity17: If you have time please see these links for sources on Mozambique, Zimbabwe, and Madagascar. These will have local sources for impact and should help fill out this article more. NoahTalk 02:01, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@HurricaneEdgar: See this ITCZ which specifically mentions the remains of Freddy. NoahTalk 04:59, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've been confused by MFR's statement on the best track data that there is no longer a tropical disturbance being monitored. HurricaneEdgar 05:03, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
MFR did mention it is no longer monitored through specific warnings. The ITCZ is the only source of information at this point. Wait and see what the next 12z ITCZ statement says. NoahTalk 05:09, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If i'm not mistaken about the third and fourth peak intensities, they are 145 kt for 1 min, 115 kt for 10 min, pressure 937 mbar for the third peak and 140 kt for 1 min, 120 kt for 10 min, pressure 931 mbar for the fourth peak. And yet someone canceled them with the reason "unsourced". Ridiculous ! Bóng Ma - Talk 06:33, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with adding peak intensities was that they changed in the best track data, for example, Cyclone Darian. As a result, I avoided adding peak intensities (third and fourth). HurricaneEdgar 07:49, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@HurricaneEdgar: [1] for today confirms Freddy is still alive. NoahTalk 14:02, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Will Freddy be able to beat the record for longest survival and longest distance if it is revived again? Bóng Ma - Talk 08:24, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe, just maybe. TheEasternEditer (talk) 00:39, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Record

This is now breaking the record as it now equalized the Leon-Eline cyclone. Thingofme (talk) 02:31, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Almost. Freddy has been tropical for 28 days, while Leon-Eline was for 29 days. It was a leap year in 2000. It will break the record on Sunday, and it might break John's record if it lingers around longer. SongdaTalas (talk) 06:52, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

John's record will be broken per the MFR and JTWC TheEasternEditer (talk) 14:26, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is a rare tropical cyclone that has broken multiple records. HurricaneEdgar 15:13, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Till now it has broken the record of longest living tropical cyclone (36 days), highest all-time ACE globally (82.2), farthest travelling distance in Southern Hemisphere (over 12,500 km), and number of rapid intensification cycles (7). If it goes back again to the Mozambique Channel, it will even break the worldwide record of distance traveled (13,180 km). Ustczyh9 (talk) 18:02, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If my estimates are correct, Freddy will break the record for longest survival and five rapid increases in intensity. As for the longest path, at the current slow pace, breaking that record by John will depend on how long its ultimate lifespan is. Bóng Ma - Talk 00:40, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There are uncertainty with the forecast of the storm after Mar. 12 and it may increase the longevity even more. Thingofme (talk) 03:47, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is expected to become a hurricane again

According to recent forecasts, it will beat Hurricane John.2605:8D80:325:50F7:EC51:768A:4D15:8509 (talk) 14:08, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It will indeed beat John. TheEasternEditer (talk) 14:56, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Likely on Tuesday. Layah50♪ ( 話して～! ) 03:21, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Cyclone Freddy current image

When attempting to upload the 060312Z the bot upload the 6 February images (maybe it is confused as the storm is extremely long-lived) Thingofme (talk) 14:53, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

longest-lived cyclone

Should there be a mention of lead if Freddy becomes the longest-lived cyclone on the planet? HurricaneEdgar 00:20, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, why not? It's even mentioned in John's article! Tails Wx 00:22, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As long as there enough reliable sources suporting this statement, sure. Just let's not WP:CRYSTALBALL here, I'm sure that by midweek we'll have plenty of sources. ABC paulista (talk) 02:40, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think that once John's record is broken, it should be noted as the "second longest-lived tropical cyclone", in the "See also" section, and John's article! Tails Wx 13:20, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
John's record has been broken, and is now noted in the lead, as well as in John's article! Tails Wx 22:49, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Tails Wx and ABC paulista: The record is not broken per the WMO. John still holds the record until a full scale investigation can take place to determine whether or not the record was indeed broken. NoahTalk 01:13, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Alright! Problem is, it's already noted across Freddy and John's articles. What should we do, revert and wait until the WMO officially announces it's broken? Tails Wx 01:18, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Basically, since they are the final authority on which storm has the record. NoahTalk 01:29, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that we need to wait for the WMO on the matter, since their methodology seems to be unknown for us, since we don't know how much they consider the RSMC data on it, and their record-keeping seems to be outdated, like the "Smallest Eye", "Largest Eye" and "Smallest tropical cyclones" seem to be, for example. ABC paulista (talk) 01:58, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@ABC paulista: In this case I think its wiser that we wait for the WMO since they have announced an investigation, as there are too many variables to be considered. For starters, time should be allowed for the system to dissipate and the BT Process to be completed, as it might come back that Freddy wasn't a TC over Africa. Then the meterological community needs to ask itself how to define the record and if we need to add on some or take some time to/from either system to make it a level playing field. Jason Rees (talk) 09:19, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think that, as long as we have reliable sources on the matter, we're good to go. The record-keeping from the meteorological agencies isn't the most reliable sourcing, since they usually keep several outdated records and inconsistent data. I think we should only disregard this case if the WMO directly states that the Freddy didn't beat the record. ABC paulista (talk) 16:33, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Even the official records are periodically revised afterwards to fix the old data on the storm strength. Thingofme (talk) 10:26, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) has announced the setting up of an expert committee to determine if Cyclone Freddy has surpassed the previous record for the longest-lasting tropical cyclone. For 33 days, it was a named tropical cyclone, traversing the entire South Indian Ocean and traveling over 10,000 km (6,215 mi) (WMO). HurricaneEdgar 14:18, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There are many inconsistencies and outdated data, like "Smallest Eye", "Largest Eye" and "Smallest tropical cyclones" on both WMO and NHC pages, for example, so I'm skeptical on how well they treat their record-keeping, and/or if they give it much care at all. ABC paulista (talk) 16:11, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, since they have gone on record to announce an investigation (as far as I can tell, this is unusual) into the record, I would say that waiting for the WMO is reasonable. I am not averse to listing the record as unofficial for now, citing preferably some experts; but the record isn't official till the WMO certifies it. And that's what the article should reflect. JavaHurricane 17:20, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Eye smallest history?

Right now in the time of posting this question is also the time when hurricanes have the smallest pinhole eyes in history so pay attention to them for more interesting details. Nguyễn Quốc Anh (1248) (talk) 12:49, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What if it develops for a third time?

Will it become a featured article if it does? 216.49.156.243 (talk) 02:33, 13 March 2023 (UTC) Current models predict it will move back to the Mozambique channel soon. https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/storminfo/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.96.229.185 (talk) 02:36, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

rfc to reformat "Records"

IMHO having several and...and...and in a paragraph makes for difficult reading, maybe reform as follows?

Freddy was one of only four systems to traverse the entirety of the southern Indian Ocean from east to west; the others were cyclones

1994
Litanne
2000
Leon–Eline
Hudah

Freddy holds the following records.

  • Longest-lasting tropical cyclone worldwide, beating the previous record of Hurricane John in 1994.
  • The record for the all-time highest accumulated cyclone energy of a tropical cyclone worldwide, with an ACE of 84.6, breaking the former record of 82, set by Hurricane Ioke in 2006.
  • Was the first tropical cyclone to undergo seven separate rounds of rapid intensification.
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