User talk:BOZ

Happy New Year, BOZ!

Happy New Year!

BOZ,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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Happy New Year!

BOZ,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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Happy New Year, BOZ!

Happy New Year!

BOZ,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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	Happy New Year!
	Hello BOZ: Did you know ... that back in 1885, Wikipedia editors wrote Good Articles with axes, hammers and chisels? Thank you for your contributions to this encyclopedia using 21st century technology. I hope you don't get any unnecessary blisters. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 20:44, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

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1980 Games 100

Not sure it's helpful to link to https://archive.org/details/games-20-1980-november/page/54/mode/2up under a title of "Reviews", on all these pages, when the entries for each game are just a couple of sentences giving a very slight summary of the game. A reader hoping to read an old review of a game won't find much information there.

If the Games 100 is a significant accolade, it could be mentioned in the articles' text. Belbury (talk) 19:35, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough. Most of them are longer than two sentences. BOZ (talk) 19:40, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

All of the entries on these top 100 lists are extremely short, three sentences at most? I would not call them "reviews" when linking to them, as the opinions expressed (the 1982 entry for Sorry! is a sentence of straightforward description and The game is never dull, and is never decided until the last play.) don't provide much genuine insight in why someone thought the game was good or bad.

Really a lot of these classic games could use a reception section that quotes contemporary reviews as text. But from the quotations I'm seeing I don't think the Games 100 is useful for that. Belbury (talk) 09:12, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Might be useful just as a notation then? BOZ (talk) 15:27, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Not as a bare entry like that. That turns it into a magazine index, which Wikipedia is not. In a similar vein, just listing magazine titles and issue numbers that contain reviews is not appropriate article content either. If it's a review that you think should be summarized in a reception section, park it on the talk page. (And be judicious in quoting reviews. Excessive quotations aren't appropriate either, and can cross into copyright violation territory if they're too long.) oknazevad (talk) 23:58, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

@Oknazevad, Belbury, and Sergecross73: Yes, there is no such thing whatsoever as a "Reviews" section, period. This user absolutely must go back and find and fix all of them. For years, this user has been told to stop needlessly breaking the MOS, even the most basic date formatting, all Wikipedia convention, and obvious common sense with this junk that is obviously redundant to the Reception section. He just robotically and WP:TENDENTIOUSly will not stop dumping indiscriminate and malformatted content for the rest of the world to magically untangle or delete, with WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT toward countless exasperated people including admins. It also has included the mass spam-creation of WP:FANCRUFT stub articles of extremely narrowly limited and non-WP:N special interests like a genre warrior, which have been like a mass edit war campaign against AfD, and I've been too disgusted to check up on that so I don't know. I just wanted you to know what you're dealing with here. — Smuckola(talk) 19:01, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I've had many talks with this user and their low effort article creations. They generally stop for a while and then start it up again after a while when they believe no one is watching anymore. I'm honestly at a loss. Sergecross73 msg me 20:00, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

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@Sergecross73: How is this not simply called "blocked"? Like with anyone else that just plays dumb and constantly lies to everyone's face as if he and everyone else were born yesterday, and then openly conspires with fellow abusers with such obsessive relish and glee? Because WP:NOTHERE or WP:TEND or WP:CIR or what else? This is effectively a lifestyle of total edit war and WP:IAR, elevated to WP:TEND. In merely the example of the "Reviews" spam with unexplained sources and malformed citations and date formats, those should ALL be auto reverted on sight by anyone and with your blessing, with him ordered to stop everything and do it himself now. I've seen countless times when you and other fine admins set a behavioral criteria goal or a categorical sanction, with increasing schedule of blocks unto indef. Even over infinitely less behavioral dysfunction, like refusing to write edit summaries or whatever example of non-compliance. Why not this one? How does he get an exemption from all rules? This is not incompetemcy but deliberately tendentious vexation. Ya know he was desysopped over this and extreme copyright violation? More than eight hundred articles were created and deleted—not even just merged, redirected, or salvaged but deleted! The precedent is already ironclad completed. https://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12452 — Smuckola(talk) 22:24, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

I was not quite sure what to make of this open hostility on my talk page when I came home late from a really nice day out. If adding links to reviews in this way that I have found is a bad idea, then I will stop immediately. I had hoped it was helpful to people who wanted to improve the articles. In whatever time I have to spare for it, I will instead go back and add the reviews to the articles myself. As far as article creation goes, for the past year I have been focused on cleaning any potential copyvios from articles that I have worked on, and have therefore curtailed the majority of my article creation activity to focus on that; this is likely to continue for the foreseeable future. BOZ (talk) 08:36, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

I've started working on this, with some simple ones to do from these "Games 100" lists as it is late at night for me here, and will hope to find more time to continue soon. BOZ (talk) 10:51, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Unless it's a one-off thing here or there, like some sort of last ditch effort to save an article at AFD, you should generally either be actually implementing it into articles, or leaving it on talk pages as a "ref idea" for someone else to add someday. Just copy/pasting across a ton of articles borders on WP:SPAMming, and if you or others continued to do it, it's eventually escalate into WP:LINKFARM and WP:NOTDIRECTORY territory. I don't believe it calls for a block (Smuckola can take you to ANI if he disagrees) but I am disappointed to be having this sort of conversation yet again. Sergecross73 msg me 14:06, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Understood, thank you, and my apologies for any difficulties I had inadvertently created for anyone. I won't be creating or adding to any more "reviews" sections on articles, and I will instead continue to work the sources into the articles as time permits me. BOZ (talk) 14:54, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Infinite Conflict (January 7)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Blaze Wolf were:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Infinite Conflict and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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Proposed deletion of Jim Crabtree

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Assessments

FWIW; The system has an overnight delay. You can see the current state here and force an update here. —¿philoserf? (talk) 13:44, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

OK cool, thanks. :) BOZ (talk) 13:46, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you

Just wanted to thank you for your comments on my talk page.

Also, I don't know if I've said it, but I really do appreciate your holiday messages. (And noting, for me, I celebrate the holiday season more than merely any single day.)

I realize that you send them to a bunch of people, but still...

Even during times when RL weighs in against time to edit, I still read here a lot. And it's always been nice to check my talk page and see the various yearly "happy day" messages placed there.

So I just wanted to say: Thank you : ) - jc37 00:43, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Absolutely!  :) I've actually been working on that list of articles that have been restored and rebuilt, and will sooner or later show it to you and anyone else interested. :) It's getting intertesting! BOZ (talk) 00:46, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Tip regarding sources

Hi BOZ! :) If you are searching for sources for games(post 1995, reviews etc) the best place to search is the company websites. Timur9008 (talk) 19:17, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Good idea, thanks! Some of the companies will still have websites, I imagine. BOZ (talk) 19:31, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Web archive is an even better idea, lots of the websites should be there. :) BOZ (talk) 19:34, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes that's what I've been doing [1]:) Timur9008 (talk) 19:42, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Oh wow, that's impressive! I like to do little projects like that myself. I've gone through the first 34 issues on Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Reference library/Games for example. :) BOZ (talk) 19:47, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Cool :)

I should note I do check every single URL under these websites and it's time exhausting. But in the end it's worth it. Timur9008 (talk) 20:05, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Awesome, and thanks for all your help and hard work. :) BOZ (talk) 20:16, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Happy Seventeenth First Edit Day!

Hey, BOZ. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! Chris Troutman (talk) 18:18, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Hey, thanks! That's a cool greeting. :) BOZ (talk) 18:19, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Regarding Sabra (character)

Hi @BOZ,

I am sorry to disturb you, but there is an editor who keeps removing the "Accolades" subsection from Marvel's Sabra. They always come back and remove the subsection after I restored it.

I was wondering if you know how to handle this situation ? Because they seem to enjoy vandalizing the page. Higher Further Faster (talk) 10:49, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

I wouldn't go so far as to call it vandalism, but at this point both of you are involved in what is called an edit-war and should disengage. Editors have different opinions on the usefulness of listicles; some think they are great, some think they are worthless, and there is no sitewide consensus on how they should be used. Perhaps start a discussion with the editor on their talk page, or on the article's talk page, maybe ask if they actually looked at each one of these to see if they feel that any of them are worth keeping, or if they simply dismissed them all without looking at them? Or is their issue primarily relating to the term "accolade" and maybe there is a compromise solution that doesn't involve removing them all? BOZ (talk) 14:08, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Moving a draft

Hey there BOZ, i hope you're doing well pal! Hey, i recently finished this draft so, could you help me turn it from draft into a main article (Draft:Magical Drop III => Magical Drop III). Thanks in advance :D Roberth Martinez (talk) 00:58, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Sure! I may not be able to do that directly anymore, but there is a special trick that I use. :) BOZ (talk) 01:09, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Lexicon

Nice job on developing that article. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 14:52, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, but I just got it undeleted after finding sources - Mindmatrix did most of the work to build it back up. :) BOZ (talk) 15:00, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Duelist

Three more Duelists added to archive recently. Probably a couple more on the way? It's not me uploading. Leitmotiv (talk) 16:04, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Nice! Doesn't look like they're in a group, but I do see them here if these are the ones you mean?: [2] BOZ (talk) 16:13, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Yeah those were the ones... 13,14,16,17,18,40 and recently 39. Leitmotiv (talk) 17:22, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Copyvio

Your edits on Thay (Forgotten Realms) introduced copyvio material (apparently from a Fandom wiki), in case you were wondering why you were reverted. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:03, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

I copied the text from here as added by User:Sariel Xilo, so hopefully there were no copyright issues in that. BOZ (talk) 04:06, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Some of that text came from Fandom (and possibly others), according to the report on this page. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:09, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Those websites may have copied it from us, as our page looked like this in 2008, which is the version I temporarily restored to. I would check the edit histories of the other wikis to see when they added their text. BOZ (talk) 04:12, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Possibly. To be clear, I didn't revert you, I just saw that report and checked it out and noticed you had already been reverted, so I just let you know. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:15, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

I reverted myself, because I didn't intend to keep the page at this time, I was just adding some text for the future in case we find enough sources to restore it permanently. Thank you though, I do appreciate the heads up. BOZ (talk) 04:18, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

My bad. I didn't pay attention to the usernames in the history. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:34, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

No worries. BOZ (talk) 04:37, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of James Desborough (game designer) for deletion

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From your list of game deletions

User:BOZ/Games deletions. I rescued Monopoly Deal a while back :) Maybe I should ask for a REFUND of Draft:Sushi Go!. This may be notable. I mean, it got a NYT article: [3]. Ping @VickKiang _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:42, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Hey, awesome. :) I don't doubt that Sushi Go is worth working on. BOZ (talk) 15:13, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Sorry for the late response. There's five mentions here but it's mostly listings. This book apparently also has a couple of mentions that briefly explain the game's rules and listing, but I'm not confident that it's WP:SIGCOV as I can only see the preview. So is this which only has two mentions that appears to be brief and gameplay related. Likewise, 1, 2 also appears fairly brief and are very likely not SIGCOV. All of the reviews are from non-RS, though I'm not sure if there are other offline magazines or articles in another language. VickKiang (talk) 07:57, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, hopefully @Piotrus will see something worthwhile for this one. BOZ (talk) 08:01, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

@VickKiang For Sushi Go, I see a review in Rebel Times #113 [4], that plus NYT should be enough. (There is a ton of other reviews but mostly blogs and like, see a list in right menu at https://www.rebel.pl/gry-planszowe/sushi-go-edycja-polska-103709.html#recenzje). So I suggest REFUND. I can add info from the Polish magazine review linked - ping me if you get this undeleted. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:31, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

PS. Said Polish list of reviews states this is an "English-language magazine". RS? https://www.meoplesmagazine.com/2016/02/09/sushi-go/ _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:32, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

I went ahead and requested it at REFUND @Piotrus, noting that you had originally wondered if you should do that. :) BOZ (talk) 13:12, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

And this one is a blank slate! LOL Almost no content there, so go ahead and do whatever you want to do on this one. BOZ (talk) 14:06, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Oh, wow. Yeah, that's... a draft all right. I'll try to remeber about it as soon as I find wiki time to actually edit "fun" stuff. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:17, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

@Piotrus: In spite of it being a magazine the about us indicates no subject-matter-expertise or editorial control, stating We are just regular gamers and You most likely wouldn’t call us hardcore gamers. As much as we want to be, we are having trouble devoting enough time. We haven’t played the same game hundreds of times and, at least to my knowledge, none of us has ever drawn up mathematic proof why one strategy will always beat another in a game. It seems to me that this is obviously a fan site that does not appear to meet WP:RS standards unless there's some USEBYOTHERS that I can't find. I think it'd be best to not use this ref at all. VickKiang (talk) 07:37, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

@VickKiang At all? That's a bit harsh. I think it can used as an external link at minimum... anyway, I've added info from the Polish review. I think the draft can be mainspaced now, with NYT+RT as sufficient sources to meet minimum GNG standards? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:44, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

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Dinner at Deviant's Palace

Thanks for improving the article by adding reviews to show notability rather than just reverting the PROD. Can you perhaps do a plot summary while you're at it? I only read the book once a long time ago and my library no longer has it (or any of Powers' work, FTM). Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 22:18, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

I honestly haven't read it myself, so I'm not sure what to write other than the one sentence I got from a review. BOZ (talk) 00:48, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Just wanted you to know

Hi BOZ - saw you commented several times over at Thibbs’ talk page and thought you’d want to know that he’s died. -- Whereizben - Chat with me - My Contributions 00:57, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Oh man, that's sad... and so young. :( BOZ (talk) 00:59, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

@Whereizben, his account should probably be globally locked, as it was for User:DGG who also recently passed away. BOZ (talk) 01:01, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

@BOZ - it’s been years since I’ve been on the wiki - is this what you mean: Global lock or do you mean something else? Sorry for my ignore, and thanks… -- Whereizben - Chat with me - My Contributions 01:09, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

I believe so, yes. BOZ (talk) 01:12, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Got it, thanks - I was unable to post over on Wikimedia but emailed a request. Appreciate you pointing that out to me. -- Whereizben - Chat with me - My Contributions 01:20, 17 April 2023 (UTC)