User talk:Belbury

DYK for Conspiracy theories about the 2024 Atlantic hurricane season

On 7 November 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Conspiracy theories about the 2024 Atlantic hurricane season, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that several major U.S. politicians have spread conspiracy theories about the 2024 Atlantic hurricane season? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Conspiracy theories about the 2024 Atlantic hurricane season. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Conspiracy theories about the 2024 Atlantic hurricane season), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:04, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of File:YouTube front page.jpg

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Cappuccino; [1]

Hi. This image, which was already in the article, is the best and has no latte art; have we solved it? JacktheBrown (talk) 15:59, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

nbnw.org

I did not add the nbnw.org citation at costume party, I just moved it. My question is, why do you call it spam in your edit summary? I cannot find any discussion on it via WP:RS nor the accompanying list. Thanks, 73.218.17.248 (talk) 02:05, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi, it was part of a cleanup of a domain that's been spammed across articles recently, and now blacklisted from Wikipedia. See MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist#nbnw.org. Belbury (talk) 10:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Awesome, thank you for the link. 73.218.17.248 (talk) 03:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Vital question

What does BLOCKEVASION mean exactly? 2A02:C7C:75BE:B300:1D2D:5594:24FC:6867 (talk) 11:17, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi there! In this case it means that a number of edits have matched those made in the past by a blocked user, giving the appearance that that user is trying to evade their block. Belbury (talk) 11:46, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm not a banned user but I will watch out for this in the near future. Can I still edit? 2A02:C7C:75BE:B300:1D2D:5594:24FC:6867 (talk) 12:12, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

If you're neither evading a block, editing at the direction of a blocked user nor restoring old edits by a blocked user, sure. Belbury (talk) 12:58, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Belbury - I suspect this IP is ShawarmaFan07, and appears to be within the same range as this user's other IP socks from what I understand. Will flag this on the ANI discussion. PlatinumClipper96 (talk) 18:01, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Idioms

Why should we need the idiom cite? The source said it, so I do not think it's necessary. Also, please read sources carefully before you assume that the information is, well, 'non-existent' and reverting. ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 13:06, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

@ShawarmaFan07: See MOS:IDIOM, Wikipedia does not use idioms like someone having "one foot" in a place. Non-fluent readers won't know what it means, and I'm not completely sure myself what the sentence is trying to say. I'm not restoring the template because the information is "non-existent", I'm restoring it because the sentence uses an idiom when it shouldn't.

It needs to be rewritten in plain English or attributed as a quotation. Belbury (talk) 13:08, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

It supposed mean that Al-Maleki was squeezed between Western, American culture and culture from rural Middle East. In fact I originally said "clashed", but for some reason you deleted that, and when I reverted it back, I had to include this idiom because you will (as usual) nag at me for "not exactly matching the words with source". ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 14:15, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

@ShawarmaFan07: Saying that a person was "squeezed" or "clashed" between two cultures still isn't very clear, and risks implying that there was unwanted social pressure from her American friends, which doesn't sound like it was necessarily the case. I've rewritten it to be closer to the specifics given in the sources, that she had assimilated into American culture, but considered herself Muslim and was fluent in Arabic. Belbury (talk) 15:18, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, and I am sorry!

I hope I have communicated through my contributions at this point that when I say that "I am sorry", I really mean that it won't happen again. I am beyond thankful for your advice and guidance! Luke Elaine Burke (talk) 15:20, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@Luke Elaine Burke: Absolutely fine, no harm done! I assumed it was a test edit made in error, but if you were trying to fix something in particular and need any help with that, let me know. --Belbury (talk) 15:21, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Bookmarks

All of your bookmarks are extremely valuable and appreciated. Your photography is also incredible and inspiring.

Best, Luke Elaine Burke (talk) 04:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

List of Glassware

Hello Belbury,

Below are some of the references cited and of course, undone. Could you help me understand how these linked references do not exist or presumably qualify as independent third-party secondary sources.

1. The Straits Times, National newspapers of Singapore: Chinnuswamy, Yamini (8 December 2022). Top Tipples: Whisky crystalware, Dom Perignon's new pairing menu, festive cocktails. The Straits Times. Singapore Press Holdings.
2. Robb Report, International magazine: Choo, Justin. January 11, 2023. The Lucaris Gràn Collection will change the way you drink whisky. Robb Report.
3. APAC magazine on beverage industry: Graham, Holly (November 18, 2021) Singapore whisky expert creates whisky tasting glasses with Lucaris. Drink Magazine.
4. Notable third-party drink writer in Singapore: Goh, Daniel (February 19, 2022) Reviewed: Lucaris The Gràn Collection is a grand way to taste whisky. Spirited Singapore.
5. Notable whisky writer in Hong Kong Eber, Martin (November 3, 2022) Style-specific Whisky glasses? Why not!? A review of Lucaris' new "Gràn Collection". Time For Whisky.
6. iF Design Award 2021 - Household / Tableware, Gràn Whisky Glass Collection. iF Design.
7. Tableware International Awards 2022 Ocean Glass is the winner of the Fine Glassware category with The GRAN Collection. Tableware International.

Can you help me relook into the deletion? I have edited based on facts, and all editions were duly referenced:

1. The glassware is a new / different shape and form.
2. Language used is neutral and non-promotional. No laudatory term was used. I was extremely cautious about this.
3. Sources / references cited are third-party, credible and independent - It has received third-party acknowledgement by iF award and Tableware award for its different bowl and mouth sizes, and usage, and covered by reputable publications.

I noted on conflict of interest. So, do I file in Category:Wikipedia conflict of interest edit requests and the COI template as the glassware is designed by my husband? Eseahfs (talk) 04:56, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

@Eseahfs: Hi. The List of glassware article is a list of classic examples of like wine glass and tankard, I don't see that it needs a particular subdesign of whisky glass that someone started selling last month. There are hundreds of such products. Discuss it on the article talk page if you like. Belbury (talk) 09:18, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Reversion on Content Moderation

Hi @Belbury, I saw that you reverted my addition of information about differing opinions on the page for content moderation (Content moderation). I didn't find any reasoning behind the reversion, although I understand the topic is somewhat controversial. That page has very little information about content moderation itself, since the page about content moderators was merged into it.

Are there any changes that you think would be appropriate? Silent reversions run against Wikipedia's recommendations (Wikipedia:Reverting) so I'd like to engage in dialogue with you on this. Websterhamster (talk) 21:03, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

@Websterhamster Hi, there was an edit summary.

WP:WEASEL "it is suggested that..." isn't a useful way to frame a definition, and from the sources you cited the content didn't seem immediately salvageable ("third year law student blogger Ben Horton suggests that..."). That was all. Belbury (talk) 08:44, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

List of robotics companies

Hi there! I noticed that you removed the maintenance tags for notability and sourcing from List of robotics companies with the edit summary "concept seems to meet WP:NLIST, references not required". Can you explain this edit? Per NLIST, "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources". Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 19:03, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

@Significa liberdade: Hi, I took it as being trivial to confirm that press sources consider "robotics companies" to be a general grouping of companies, without it needing footnotes to show that this phrase has been used. If that's a misread, please do revert me. Belbury (talk) 19:21, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

To my understanding, this is one of the key differences between the uses of categories and lists. Categories are used to show similar groupings, some of which are notable for their grouping and some that are not. For standalone lists, the grouping itself must be notable. That is, independent, reliable sources should discuss the specific grouping (though this doesn't mean sources need to discuss every item on the list). However, I do realize that lists are a more contentious article type. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 19:47, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
	Thanks for the help defending the page Dead Internet Theory from people changing the lede without citations, among other things. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:09, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diplomacy
	The Barnstar of Diplomacy is awarded to users who have helped to resolve, peacefully, conflicts on Wikipedia. You did so! Thank you very much. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:36, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Mark Dolan

Hi Belbury,

The quote I added to Mark Dolan’s page was from Dolan’s own verified Twitter account, and that quote is being reported on GB News and the Twitter accounts of many of Dolan’s colleagues.

So yes I’m afraid you have made a mistake as I directly quoted Dolan’s own published statement - I didn’t quote a third party making a claim on Social Media.

GB News is actually displaying his tweet as they report it, as they are also aware it’s Dolan’s account.

I should be annoyed at wasting my time, but instrax find it highly amusing. 😂 AllSeeingOracle (talk) 21:21, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

@AllSeeingOracle: Hi, are you the same user as User:Boxinghris, then?

WP:TWEET is that you can't use someone's tweet as a source for a claim they're making about a third party, that's all, and it's what you were doing in this edit. I'm not taking any view on whether something is true, just how Wikipedia provides sources for it. Belbury (talk) 22:02, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

This feels like an A.I. Artificial Intelligence.

Are you? Maybe not all the time. peeeeeee-yew! (talk) 12:54, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

No, I just don't understand some of the things that you're saying. Belbury (talk) 12:55, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

I would like to know how to use my ... sandbox? You told me you would help me figure it out, but I am not sure what it does. peeeeeee-yew! (talk) 12:56, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Read Wikipedia:About the sandbox, or ask at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Belbury (talk) 12:59, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you peeeeeee-yew! (talk) 13:03, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

This was an insincere thank you, btw. Goodbye. peeeeeee-yew! (talk) 13:08, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Still very unsure

about when to remove a picture that is unavailable on most DNS servers for the World Wide Web. Are we an archival website? peeeeeee-yew! (talk) 13:14, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi again, you can ask at the Teahouse or the Help desk if you have general, sincere questions about how Wikipedia works. Belbury (talk) 13:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Wow. Thanks for the jabbing response. I will try the Teahouse again. peeeeeee-yew! (talk) 13:18, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

You made a great disciple, Belbury.

HouseBlaster will take it from here, I guess. peeeeeee-yew! (talk) 13:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't know what you're talking about. Belbury (talk) 13:16, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Me neither. C ya! peeeeeee-yew! (talk) 13:18, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

I was being ironic, with this entire post. peeeeeee-yew! (talk) 13:40, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Florence

It is referenced, and doesn't look like AI to me. But it does look like a copyvio from the cited guidebook. Cheers. Johnbod (talk) 18:30, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

@Johnbod: It looked suspicious to me, and enough so for another user to give them the same warning. The Here is a detailed history of boldface bulleted list format is very much the kind of thing you get back if you ask an LLM to write about a topic, and all of the user's additions on diverse topics (added within minutes of each other) had the same kind of intro and structure and conclusion, so I doubt anything is being copied from guidebooks.

I don't think the citation meant anything, either. All of the user's additions ended with a single <ref name=":0"> or <ref name=":auto1"> or similar at the very end of the text, just duplicating the first named reference in the article. I guess either they or the LLM thought it would look like a more plausible edit if they did that. Belbury (talk) 19:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Adding Refrences Draft:Adaptations In Ecological Management: Biology

Hey Belbury, please could you edit my DFC : Draft:Adaptations In Ecological Management: Biology. It needs to be added refrences, please could you help me, am not good in adding refrences to an article.

:Also bear in mind that "am still editing"

—Raph Williams65 (talk) 21:01, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

@Raph Williams65: Afraid it looks like that draft has been deleted overnight as a copyright violation. Belbury (talk) 08:07, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Why am I a sock puppet?

Why are you investigating me? What did I do to be associated with this rapist Oats and Cream?? I am so sorry you feel a need to remove me based on a circumstantial allegation of sexual assault. CheeseLactose (talk) 08:16, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

@CheeseLactose: Hi there, you can take a look at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Oatsandcream to see the concerns I have. I don't know what sexual assault allegation you're talking about. Belbury (talk) 08:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

I understand those concerns, but I never heard of "Death In Paradise" or "Curse of Oak Island". I agree you may be concerned that I am impacting 2025 article, and I will stop that. Thank you. But I can also see this Gen Beta is never going to be created all because of this scoundrel sockpuppet. CheeseLactose (talk) 08:24, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2025!

Hello Belbury, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025. Happy editing, Abishe (talk) 22:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC) Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Abishe (talk) 22:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Working on My AFC

@Belbury could you work on My AFC, i need your help in refrencing. —Raph Williams65 (talk) 19:05, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

@Raph Williams65: Hi, I don't know if you're asking for help in formatting references or finding them. Try asking at the Wikipedia:Teahouse if you need help. Belbury (talk) 10:32, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Question on NFL fox page

im a new editor here. I was just how I could source a a musical motif in NFL fox theme of sleigh ride (instrumental) Nick the Napoleon (talk) 21:26, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

@Nick the Napoleon: You'll want to find a book or a documentary or a newspaper article or something that has made this observation. See WP:SOURCES. Belbury (talk) 10:30, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

The reversion of someone's Elpenor edit.

Hi there, I saw that someone added "EPIC: The Musical" to Elpenor's page, and you were unfamiliar with it. It's not just one cut song like they edited, but instead is actually cut from most of the musical. This is likely the cut song that they mentioned, and then this song is another one that he is in. I don't know if that would be enough to warrant the edit, but as he's extremely popular in the community, I just thought I'd give a heads up. BBGDylan (talk) 02:32, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

@BBGDylan: Hi, I just removed the paragraph because there is no Wikipedia article about Epic! The Musical, it wasn't clear what this musical actually was, and no source was given saying that Elpenor was cut from it. Everything in Wikipedia should be sourced. Belbury (talk) 10:29, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

@Belbury Hi again, yeah, I understand, it's why I gave the info that the original person failed to provide, heh. So you can see that it's true and for proof to be given, and I'll probably make a basic page for it in the future, with sources needed and stuff. :) BBGDylan (talk) 19:44, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Tips on sockpuppets

If there is anything unconstrutive , revert it. If there's anything useful, don't revert it.

You're adding fire to the situation and the sock is going to constantly return to make their edit, resulting in wsasted time from sockpuppet SPIs who could easily be dealing with better things than your constant reports.

This edit on History of England could easily have been kept. They actually improved the page and added some good detail.

Happy late Xmas! Grometlovescheese (talk) 13:30, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

(talk page jaguar) In my experience, the opposite is at least equally true: if LTAs feel their contributions will be kept as long as they're "constructive", they'll keep trying to make edits. Remsense ‥ 论 13:32, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Fair point but I still stand by my point. Grometlovescheese (talk) 13:34, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm sure there are several different personalities LTAs can have. In general, we shouldn't allow contributions from editors who are not available to participate in the community, due to being banned. Remsense ‥ 论 13:36, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your input, user who joined Wikipedia ten minutes ago. Belbury (talk) 13:39, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

(Apologies for jumping on what is possibly some bait on your talk page.) Remsense ‥ 论 13:40, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

No problem at all! Belbury (talk) 13:47, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Citation Rejected

hi @Belbury i just added one citation and that is rejected . The message shows that "they seemed to be inappropriate for an encyclopedia" ? Could you please help me ? this citation is relevant can you please read the citation content ? or guide what should i do better encyclopedia . 12pound (talk) 14:39, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

@12pound: An anonymous blog entry on a commercial website is not considered to be a reliable source by Wikipedia. See WP:RS for further explanation. You should be able to quote a government website or a newspaper for this kind of information. Belbury (talk) 14:41, 28 December 2024 (UTC)