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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by 182.224.89.144 (talk) at 11:49, 19 June 2023 (→‎Piatykhaty liberation: new section). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Link to most recent closed and archived RfC: Talk:2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine/Archive 11#RfC on Western support to Ukraine

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The heading above is a link to the RfC: Talk:2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine/Archive 11#RfC on Western support to Ukraine, closed 30 December 2022.

See also earlier RfCs: Talk:2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine/Archive_9#RfC on "Supported by" in the infobox for Ukraine, closed 9 June 2022; and, Should the individual arms supplying countries be added to the infobox?: closed 6 March 2022. All RfCs were closed with "no consensus". In the most recent RfC, the closer made the following statement:

Also, can we not do this again in a couple months? There is WP:NODEADLINE, and there is sure to be plenty of academic studies and expert writings that will provide excellent context and sourcing for what, exactly, should be listed in that infobox parameter. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:04, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Cinderella157 (talk) 06:13, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Zaporizhia counter-offensive

2023 Ukrainian counteroffensive 223.39.195.193 (talk) 23:48, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Material in "Invasion" section before "Initial invasion" subsection

What exactly is the point of that material? It seems on first glance to just be repetitions of stuff that gets covered again in the subsections of "phase 1" and "phase 2", before kinda running out of steam and stopping in June 2022. Is it supposed to be a summary of all the following subsections? If so, it doesn't work as one, since it doesn't cover the last full year of events and a lot of what it says was established in the lead anyway. I'm kinda surprised no one else has brought this up. Couldn't the material just be removed? HappyWith (talk) 22:38, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have noticed. It should be an overall summary and address key points across the "invasion" that are general and not specific to any particular location/time. There is a baby somewhere in all that bath water. It certainly needs to be reviewed with the duplication removed from one place or the other. I have done some edits along that line but there is much more to do. Cinderella157 (talk) 02:38, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
But isn’t that function already fulfilled by the lead? Maybe it could be made to work, I agree that there probably is a baby along with the bathwater in there somewhere. HappyWith (talk) 14:38, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The lead summarises the overall article, which includes all sections and not just the battle/invasion section. When the battle/invasion section is particularly long and complex in terms of space and time (as here) it may be appropriate to have an introduction to the battle/invasion to deal with overarching issues and to briefly summarise events. As an example, see Battle of Buna–Gona. The invasion here is a series of vignettes (represented by the subsections) occurring at different places at the same time or at overlapping times. Reading the sections, the reader is, at times, required to jump back and forward in time. An introduction, while being an overview of the detail that follows, also provides continuity in time. Let's cut out the duplicate padding and see where this leads us. Cinderella157 (talk) 01:06, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2023 western Russia raids

There's a discussion at Talk:2022–2023 western Russia_attacks#Splitting proposal that may interest editors of this article, proposing to split off material to a new page about all the ground raids into Russian territory by all-Russian, pro-Ukraine paramilitaries. Please leave comments in the discussion there, and not here. HappyWith (talk) 22:54, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Adding Iran to involvement lists

According to the page Iran and the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Iran helped fund Russia so should they be listed since they were second hand money mules for the country's army? Raybonam (talk) 08:42, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Where in the article exactly? In the info box under Belligerents? - I would say no, as many countries also gave money and weapons to Ukraine, so they would be mentioned in their list. (Belarus is different as it allowed Russian troops in to and to attack through their country) Arnoutf (talk) 10:54, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Piatykhaty liberation

Ukraine war Piatykhaty liberated 182.224.89.144 (talk) 11:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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