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Published clan manuscripts
The following is a list of clan manuscript histories that were mostly written no later than the 18th century, all of which have since been published and most of which are available online. These can be used as sources. Clan histories written in the 19th and 20th century are in a separate list.
| Clan | Manuscript | Author of manuscript | Dates of manuscript | Source publication | Date of source | Author of source (if different) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Clan Sutherland | A Genealogical History of the Earldom of Sutherland | Sir Robert Gordon, 1st Baronet | 1630 | A Genealogical History of the Earldom of Sutherland | 1813 | |
| Clan Munro | Chronological and Genealogical Account of the Ancient and Honorable Family of the Fowlis | Andrew Munro of Coul | 1717 | Chronological and Genealogical Account of the Ancient and Honorable Family of the Fowlis (not online) | 1805 | John Young |
| Clan Munro | Calendar of Writs of Munro of Foulis, 1299-1823 | Various | 1299-1823 | Calendar of Writs of Munro of Foulis, 1299-1823 (not online) | 1949 | C. T. McInnes |
| Clan Mackenzie | History of the Family of Mackenzie | George Mackenzie, 1st Earl of Cromartie | 1669 | The Earls of Cromartie; their kindred, country, and correspondence | 1876 | William Fraser |
| Clan Mackenzie | MS History of the Mackenzies | John Mackenzie of Applecross | 1669 | Highland Papers (Vol. 1) | 1914 | James Robertson Nicolson MacPhail |
| Clan Donald | History of the MacDonalds | Hugh MacDonald | 1660-1685 | Highland Papers (Vol. 1) | 1914 | James Robertson Nicolson MacPhail |
| Clan Ross | The Calendar of Fearn | Various | 1471-1667 | The Calendar of Fearn | 1991 | J. Adam |
| Clan Fraser of Lovat | Wardlaw Manuscript | James Fraser of Wardlaw | 1674 | Chronicles of the Frasers: the Wardlaw manuscript entitled 'Polichronicon seu policratica temporum, or, The true genealogy of the Frasers', 916-1674 | 1905 | William Mackay |
| Clan Mackintosh | Kinrara Manuscript | Lachlan Mackintosh of Kinrara | 1680 | A Chronicle of the Family of Mackintosh to 1680 (not online) | 2009 | Dr Jean Munro |
| Clan Cameron | Memoirs of Sir Ewen Cameron of Lochiel | Ewen Cameron of Lochiel | 1629-1719 | Memoirs of Sir Ewen Cameron of Locheill (Author's introduction includes full clan history) | 1842 | John Drummond, James Macknight |
| Clan Calder and Clan Campbell of Cawdor | The Book of the Thanes of Cawdor: A Series of Papers Selected from the Charter Room at Cawdor | Various | 1236-1742 | The Book of the Thanes of Cawdor: A Series of Papers Selected from the Charter Room at Cawdor | 1859 | Frederick Campbell, 3rd Earl Cawdor, Cosmo Innes |
19th and 20th century published clan histories available online
References
User script to detect unreliable sources
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- John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (
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ScotClans a reliable source?
Hi all, is www.scotclans.com considered a reliable source? More specifically the historical clan information pages like https://www.scotclans.com/blogs/clans-c/clan-cathcart-places-people. Thanks. Kj cheetham (talk) 20:22, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Replying to myself, I also posted this to WP:RSN and the conclusion seems to be no, it's a blog. -Kj cheetham (talk) 08:45, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
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I've just overhauled the Tartans article to finally have (again?) a coherent section on the history of clan tartans and their adoption (and redirects like Clan tartan and Scottish clan tartans go there). I also fixed up a bunch of other deficiencies in the article over the last few days but am not done yet. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 08:51, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
Merger proposals
Received request to merge the Clan Duncan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (C) article into Clan Robertson (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (C) article on 21 June 2023 (UTC). Reason: They're the same clan (it has three different names), and this is at least a WP:CONTENTFORK. I think it borders on a WP:POVFORK, because the Duncan article appears to have been heavily edited by people from a latter-day clan association who are pushing for separate Lord Lyon recognition, etc. — SMcCandlish
Discussion is >>>HERE<<<. GenQuest "scribble" 02:59, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
~and~
Received a request to merge the List of tartans#Scottish clan tartans section into the List of Scottish clans article on 23 June 2023 (UTC). Reason: Because the latter will list all clans and their tartans, the list of clan tartans in the former article is necessarily redundant, so this is at least a WP:CONTENTFORK. I think it borders on a WP:POVFORK, because the former article is over-relying on a fraudulent Victorian source, the Vestiarium Scoticum, and thereby promoting tartans that many clans have since rejected. Anyway, it's completely normal for huge-scope lists to branch out to narrower-topic sublists like this, and List of tartans is already doing that in several cases; this would just be another one. — SMcCandlish. Discuss it >>>HERE<<<. GenQuest "scribble" 04:17, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
Draft:Clan Watson
I notice this article on Draft:Clan Watson, I think the editor who started this is doing a great job, considering Clan Watson is a miner Armigerous clan. But I was surprised to see two senior editors who are denying the article on the grounds that it dose not meet various criteria. I disagree with their observations, compared to some clan articles - Clan Watson is more than adequate in my view. Things have obviously changed since I last edited clan articles; but this new draconian clamp on stub like articles could discourage more Scottish Clan editors. I drew an svg of the shield but I do not know anything on the Watson's history; perhaps other editors could check to see if they have a ref or two with information to help the article. Yours ever, Czar Brodie~commonswiki (talk) 15:20, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
Expert needed
I've tagged Clan Robertson with {{expert needed}} because of a disputed source about the "historical seat" of the clan. Mainly, my goal is to get the article correctly (without error) and properly (WP:V, WP:RS) referenced. But I'm not familiar with Scottish clans and could use some help. Please see the messages on the Talk page for more context. Thanks! -- Mikeblas (talk) 15:29, 14 January 2024 (UTC)