Talk:Macro-Gunwinyguan languages

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attention needed

The membership of esp. East Arnhem needs to be verified. I have only partial access to the sources I used for this article. — kwami (talk) 22:11, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, langs are: Kungarakayn, Mangarrayi, Marra, Maningrida, Ngalakgan, Bininj Gun-wok, Warndarrang, Uwinymil, Gaagudju, Dalabon, Kunbarlang, Rembarrnga, Nunggubuyu, Jawoyn, Warray, Ngandi

overhaul needed, splitting proposal

This article is rather dated and conservative, considering the work that has been done on Gunwinyguan (proper) languages in the past 20 years. It is also unusual to see that the writer seems to have only considered Green's (2003) reconstruction of proto-Maningrida in the context of proto-Arnhem (even though she says very little on the other branches of proto-Arnhem) while ignoring Alpher, Evans & Harvey's (2003) reconstructing work on proto-Gunwinyguan (though both of them feature in the same volume). At the outset there is a factual error: macro-Gunwinyguan/Arnhem and Gunwinyguan are by no means synonymous: the former is what Evans (2003) tentatively proposes and the latter is what Alpher, Evans & Harvey (2003) proposes and makes a more-than-credible attempt to demonstrate. Thus, the status of Gunwinyguan does not require an "agnostic" view (as currently stated in the article), but can be broken down according to the summary provided in Kapitonov's grammar of Kunbarlang (2019: 7-8)[1] (this is largely in line with what is on Glottolog as well [2]). On the basis that Gunwinyguan is an established grouping then, I propose that this article be split into two: one for the proposed macro-family (of which there has been some work, but nothing substantial nor concrete), and one for the well-founded Gunwinyguan family. — 2A02:2C40:100:B206:0:0:1:DFA0 (talk) 16:44, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]