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“Usage of article” reference

The intro contains a link to a Google ngram to indicate historical usage of “the Ukraine.” It’s a terrible link, because the compared option for “the Ukraine” includes every occurrence of “Ukraine”: Ngram: The Ukraine,Ukraine.

This sort of direct personal research doesn’t belong in the encyclopedia. Here’s a better search which compares two mutually exclusive subsets of usage, and yields a very different graph: Ngram: of the Ukraine + in the Ukraine + from the Ukraine + to Ukraine,of Ukraine + in Ukraine + from Ukraine + to Ukraine.

I removed the link. My example is better, but also doesn’t belong here as a reference. —Michael Z. 2018-03-29 16:06 z

Controversial etymology: poor reference

A reference is given to counter, or to attest to Russian scholars countering, Pvitorak’s assertion that tsarist Russia imposed a false interpretation on the name. This refers to what I believe to be a Russian article on documents relating to the battle of Molodya?/Molodin? in 1572. It is unhelpful to anyone incapable of studying or unwilling to study the document in the original language. My impression is that the source does not address Pvitorak’s assertion; if so this reference seems to be implicitly proposing an interpretation of some part of the documents to contest Pvitorak’s assertion, which would be an improper use of the source. It needs a translated excerpt and a reformulation to clarify and justify the claimed counter. PJTraill (talk) 13:11, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]