Talk:Disco Demolition Night

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The sentence

Disco Demolition Night preceded, and may have helped precipitate, the decline of disco in late 1979; some scholars and disco artists have described the event as expressive of racism and homophobia.

seems to be the one in the lead that is most frequently being removed. The sentence does reflected sourced critical commentary about how the event has been interpreted by some scholars, etc., but maybe it could use a little tweaking or even a citation or two (maybe even linking internally to the relevant section of the article) to clarify the claim isn’t WP:OR. — Marchjuly (talk) 22:34, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

I think it's viewed as political. I've toned it down a touch.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:21, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Your change does make things more neutral sounding. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:27, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

@Wehwalt:. This continues to be removed from the lead and the latest time was here. While many of the editors removing this appear to be new or newish accounts showing up out of the blue who never seem to read beyond the lead, the continuous removal might indicate a tweak of some kind is needed. If adding citations directly to the lead is not warranted, then perhaps a hidden note in the editing stating that the content is indeed covered later in the article with supporting sources and has been discussed on the article talk page a number of times like below at #POV. Maybe that will stop some of the removals? -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:43, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

I've added something. Maybe it will help.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:09, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:25, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

POV

Most people who didn't like disco didn't dislike it because of racist, sexist or homohphobic reasons, they just didn't like the sound of it. Just like most people who don't like hip hop don't dislike it because of racist reasons but because they don't like that sound of it. Ga58656Gty (talk) 19:53, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

I wrote part of the article. Not arguing with you on that but we can't ignore the existence of scholarly sources. If you look up the page you're not the first to comment on this. I don't have an answer that is likely to satisfy you, I suspect. And for the record, I was a teen in 1979 who did not like disco.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:09, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

I mean please tell me that those scholars another user mentioned actually don't believe that the majority of people that disliked disco did so for racist/homophobic reasons? Because that is a logical fallacy. I know there were some who disliked disco for bigoted reasons but most of the people who disliked disco just didn't like it the sound or it wasn't their cup of tea. Surely even the Guardian would agree that it's not racist or homophobic to dislike disco? A lot of people dont' like country or techno does that mean they are Southernphobes or Machinephobes? Gkrtb9j043 (talk) 01:57, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Racism and homophobia -- well, that would explain why Michael Jackson and Elton John did so poorly... Look, many people actually liked disco songs at the beginning, when it was something new, but tired of it as the market became saturated with second-rate material by performers and record companies trying to ride the wave. It would be nice to have some citations supporting that, but they may be hard to find since stating the obvious doesn't earn any points in scholarly circles. :-) KevinBTheobald (talk) 01:56, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

The people writing this article were probably not there and don't get it. It was a silly publicity stunt for radio promotion, nothing more, nothing less. It was a celebration of Rock music which was what WLUP played. Now 40 years later "academics" are rewriting history and trying to find the "inner meaning". It was not that deep. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.119.33.117 (talk) 16:20, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

External Links Are All Broken

All of the external links bring up a 404 error. I do not edit on Wikipedia, so perhaps someone else can correct this, or remove the links.

2603:6011:F902:C673:784D:A408:108E:D0B0 (talk) 18:28, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

"Disco Demolition Night preceded, and may have helped precipitate, the decline of disco in late 1979; some scholars and disco artists have described the event as expressive of racism and homophobia"

While this quote slightly down-plays the clear undertones of racism and homophobia in this event, anyone objecting to it might wish to watch: How Can You Mend a Broken Heart? For, as this film makes clear, many of the records blown up not Disco at all. Honestly, why should that be? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.166.130 (talk) 21:53, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

I doubt if the White Sox posted experts on what records were disco and which were not by each ticket window. Thanks for the help. We prefer written sources as they are easier for readers to verify. Wehwalt (talk) 22:18, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Category:Anti-black racism in Illinois

I am all in favor of presenting the case made by scholars that DDN had racial undertones and supportive statements by recording artists about their feelings to that effect. But I think it's absurd to categorize this article together with Lynching of David Wyatt and East St. Louis massacre. I make the case Category:Anti-black racism in Illinois does not belong on this article. - The literary leader of the age ✉ 22:59, 18 February 2024 (UTC)