Talk:Opposition to Vladimir Putin in Russia

Communists

The communist movement is quite large in Russia. As communists they don't like Russian capitalism or its leaders. Why do they not get a mention in this article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A442:581E:1:309F:1EA7:ED13:6BCE (talk) 23:25, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

• There are many different 'communists' in Russia. Some members of CPRF are loyal to Putin, some are not. Besides that, the "Communists of Russia" party is a pro-Kremlin spoiler for CPRF.Swarrel (talk) 23:26, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Citations for Photographs

The photographs in this article need to have citations. Holdek (talk) 06:12, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

WP:OI disagrees. Nyttend (talk) 13:47, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction. Holdek (talk) 10:26, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Neutrality request

I request a neutrality revamp. "Draconian law" in not an okay phrase for Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.174.151.220 (talk) 19:42, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Pffftttt. Of course it is, what were you possibly thinking??

Need rename

Why it is Russian opposition? It means Opposition to Russia? There are no articles such british opposition, american opposition, french opposition etc. Opposition are parties in Parliament disagree with ruling party("United Russia"). These are LDPR, Communist Party, A Just Russia. Parties and groups are described in this article are enemies of russian history and statehood and influence groups of foreign states and organistaions. Maybe thay are non-system opposoition? Or Parties not in russian parlaiment. Noone calls articles about many little parties never won british, american, french elections british opposition, american opposition, french oppositions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.25.53.138 (talk) 15:49, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Actually I agree, the article title was incorrect. I renamed it to what the text is about. -M.Altenmann >t 04:35, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

I think we need a little more discussion about this before we do anything big. So I'm going to move back to the old name for now. We can move it back later if consensus to do so is reached. Charles Essie (talk) 01:57, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Merge

Last month, a suggestion was made to merge Non-system opposition into this article. I here to declare my support for such a move. After all, both articles are very short and could easily fit together. Charles Essie (talk) 01:00, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

oppose. The articles are short because the editors are lazy. The topics are huge. And the "Non-system opposition" is a special subtopic and deserves a separate article. -M.Altenmann >t 04:29, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Do you have any ideas regarding expansion of these articles? Charles Essie (talk) 01:53, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes I do, but unfortunately I don't have time. But now that you asked and I accidentally stumbled onto your question, I will do something. In the future, if you want an answer from a particular person, please notify them by simply linking their user page (e.g.: user:Charles Essie, "You talkin' to me"? :-), which will triggger an automatic notification. In 11 years I accumulated 11,000 pages on my watchlist, so I can easily miss this or that. You may use, e.g., {{ping}} template, to make the intention clear. - üser:Altenmann >t 15:27, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

This article cannot exist remain under its current title "Russian opposition". Either we rename the article to something else (like "Non-system opposition in Russia"), or rewrite the article to accurately reflect what actually is the political opposition in Russia, namely the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, A Just Russia and the Liberal Democratic Party. The non-system groups now covered in this article should be mentioned, but they should be given WP:Due weight, which is marginal in the Russian political system and its democratic process.

It is true that the Western media often wrongly identify these marginal non-system groups with the Russian (parliamentary) opposition, but we on Wikipedia should not be making the same mistake. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 05:41, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

I strongly favor a rewrite and expansion of this article to include coverage of both the parliamentary opposition and the non-system opposition. Perhaps the Syrian opposition article could serve as a role model. Charles Essie (talk) 15:22, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Closing the merge proposal, as there seems to be a preference to improve and keep separate. Klbrain (talk) 13:34, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Relevance?

There no Articles about American, German, Hungarian or Turkish Oppositions, do we really need this article. I mean if we need it we should write an article about the American Opposition too, the Two-Party-System of the USA is anarchonistic and obsolete and there isn't a really alternative to the two big parties.--141.19.228.15 (talk) 16:39, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Your personal opinions are less than useless here. Do you have a Reliable Source to discuss for the improvement of this article?

Requested move 22 February 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. There are a few viewpoints about how the article could be modified to make this requested move more valid, and there are alternate options given for a move target, but nothing approaching a true consensus on any of those items. Primefac (talk) 17:26, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

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Anti-Putin opposition in the Russian Federation → Russian opposition – This page has been moved numerous times without proper discussion to needlessly long names such as the current one based on the argument that Russian opposition is too ambiguous. I fail to see what's ambiguous about it. After all we've never had this argument about the Bahraini opposition or the Syrian opposition. Charles Essie (talk) 20:53, 22 February 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:34, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Oppose WP:PRECISE. You can't seriously claim Yeltsin and the Czars never had opposition. Ribbet32 (talk) 21:15, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

The Bahraini and Syrian opposition don't refer historical opposition either. Plus, we already have an article about the Soviet-era opposition. That said, this article could (and should) provide more information about the Russian opposition under Boris Yeltsin. Charles Essie (talk) 23:06, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, "other stuff exists." Classic Wikipedia fallacy. Ribbet32 (talk) 23:47, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

What makes it fallacy? Charles Essie (talk) 16:24, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

We have a whole page called Wikipedia:Other stuff exists. While one section deals with AfDs, its principles are relevant everywhere: "The nature of Wikipedia means that you cannot make a convincing argument based solely on what other articles do or do not exist, because there is nothing–apart from WP:N rules–stopping anyone from creating any article." Apply the principle: "The nature of Wikipedia means that you cannot make a convincing argument based solely on what other article titles do or do not exist, because there is nothing–apart from naming conventions–stopping anyone from naming any article." A Syrian opposition may exist, but that doesn't mean that's the right title for that article, or particularly, this one. There may be good reason why that article is titled that way, that doesn't apply here. Ribbet32 (talk) 00:16, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Support. Don't see any reason to single out Putin specifically rather than just make it about the political opposition in the Russian Federation in general. Romanov loyalist (talk) 20:34, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Maybe because opposition to Putin is such a broad enough concept that a lot can be written just about that? Just a thought. Russian Wikipedia doesn't seem to have a problem with filling a page about it. Anyway, the proposed title is so vague it could go well past the Russian Federation, including opposition to the Romanovs, for example. Ribbet32 (talk) 21:35, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

The article on Wikipedia is just called Political opposition in the Russian Federation, which is basically just Russian opposition, and it includes its history in the 1990s. Romanov loyalist (talk) 23:45, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose as it stands per Ribbet. This article deals very specifically with one man – not even his party – and it makes no sense to call Putin's detractors the "Russian opposition". I would, however, support a move to Opposition to Vladimir Putin as is the standard with these articles (see Opposition to the Iraq War, etc.). Laurdecl ^talk 21:29, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
  • In Russia the opposition is not just against Putin but against United Russia and everyone else they perceive to be corrupt officials. Naming the article "anti-Putin" specifically does not make much sense. In the West they are also widely called just Russian opposition. Romanov loyalist (talk) 01:51, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

This article is very specifically about anti-Putin sentiment. It barely mentions United Russia. Laurdecl ^talk 06:07, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Then it should be edited to expand on the other topics. Romanov loyalist (talk) 19:09, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Exactly, that's why I put up the template recommending that this article be expanded using content from the Russian-language article. It still wouldn't be comprehensive enough but it would be a good start. Charles Essie (talk) 21:54, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

The name is very odd. Putin Opposition makes sense but Anti-Putin Opposition sounds like a a group that are opposing those who are Anti-Putin. Otherwise I see no reason to oppose an article that is specifically about the opposition of Putin. Zedshort (talk) 13:18, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Opposition to Vladimir Putin in Russia would seem to be the perfect balance between WP:PRECISE and WP:CONCISE. The article isn't about opposition to Putin in Canada or Georgia. Ribbet32 (talk) 18:27, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

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Expansion

I am going to start expanding this article. Nikolai Romanov (talk) 03:37, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

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Opposition figures

This section is quite outdated. Added modern leaders. "Western commentators have noted that during this period Russian nationalists and ultranationalist groups may have been the most significant right-wing opposition to Putin's government." - this statement also is a way outdated nowadays. If there is no some newer sources (the original source feb 2009), this should be removed.Swarrel (talk) 23:22, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Do you have a Reliable Source to back up your claims?

Possible Infobox

Should an infobox be added with groups and countries loyal to Putin and opposition? --SpaceSandwich (talk) 15:08, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

This Article isn't Even an Encyclopedic Article, It is more Like a Photo Gallery

This article has more photos than a museum gallery magazine. 10 photos for an article that doesn't even have 10,000 words? Each paragraph has a photo. Where is the auths on this issue. Might as well add a photo of a protest per sentence at this rate. If any of you editors happened to see some civil articles, you would notice, that there is space between the images. Or rather to rephrase those editors have knowledge to put the least amount of pictures in an article. Otherwise it isn't encyclopedia anymore. This article doesn't even constitute the spirit of a Wikipedia article or its guidelines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Proof32reserve (talk • contribs) 02:03, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

This Article is actually POV because there is no Article about the Opposition to Merkel in Germany, to Macron in France, to Dukanovic in Montenegro or to Erdogan in Turkey. By the way Putins government consists out of periodic changed partyless so-called Technocrats and not of members of the ruling party.--88.66.134.118 (talk) 13:40, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Anybody can begin an article about the topics you mentioned. Also, you can delete the illustrations you don't like from this one. Complaining on this Talk page is not going to achieve what you want. Best wishes. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 16:27, 15 July 2022 (UTC)