Talk:Anna Nicole Smith

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Picture

Someone recently uploaded a really good pic of her, but it got deleted by the copyright police... I am not a wikipedia picture expert (it's like you have to be a copyright lawyer or something) but whoever uploaded that last pic - - it was great...SO much better than the one on here now. If anyone can figure out wikipedia's incredibly confusing copyright policy and re-upload that pic, it would make this bio much better. I would do it myself, but even after following every rule, every step of the way, my pic was still deleted.

Maternity/Paternity > Citizenship

I think that changing "born to a U.S. citizen" to "since her biological mother was a U.S. citizen" is inaccurate. I am pretty sure that if the father was a U.S. citizen, that would be OK also. By the way, at some early adult age, the person has to elect to continue her/his U.S. citizenship. Bellagio99 20:55, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Re O.J.'s claim to paternity, which someone reverted as foolish, both Fox and CBS News reported it tonight, although O.J.'s claim that they were lovers in 2005 but he has "slow moving sperm" does not seem plausible;-) After all, in his football days, he was "The Juice"! Bellagio99 01:33, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Neutrality

Question about the inheritance court cases... What exactly is not neutral about it? The tag has been there for a while. 129.120.86.71 00:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Anna Nicole Smith and Marilyn Monroe

Anna Nicole Smith and Marilyn Monroe were third cousins, twice removed. Monroe's mother was Gladys Pearl Monroe, the daughter of Otis Monroe and Della Hogan. Della was the daughter of Tilford Marion Hogan. Anna Nicole's great-great-great grandpa was Tilford's brother, John Hogan. They are the sons of George Hogan and Sarah Owens who lived near Quincy, Adams County, Illinois. Computer 03:52, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Death

Antidepressants were not in her system... benzodiazapenes were. Whoever is not locked out, please change this. -- source (actual report from dr. perper) http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0326071anna1.html . Benzodiazapenes are not anti-depressants...apparently even perper was confused about this. They are sedatives.

Actually, topiramate is used as a mood stabilizer, for depression, especially for manic depression. I believe it's off label though, not sure. You are correct it that most of the drugs listed are of the benzodiazipine family. Too many for one doctor to prescribe, at least a ethical one.

Since there is no legal action expected against the doctor(s) (yet, anyway) it can be assumed the drugs were either prescribed by different doctors not knowing other meds she was taken, or she was taking someone else's prescription in addition to those she was prescribed. In news reports, it's been stated that there were no illegal drugs in her room or near her, I don't think they said there were no illegal drugs in her system. Prescription drugs can be illegal, such as when abused, so is doctor shopping and taking someone else's DEA controlled drugs is illegal too. Jeeny 18:41, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Jeeny, to split a licit hair: I think you're confusing illegal drugs and illegal behavior. None of the drugs identified are illegal, but as you suggest, they may have been obtained illegally. That's the distinction that led to my reverting your edit. Cheers,

Bellagio99 19:22, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Gotcha. You are correct, illegal behavior is different than illegal drugs. I read it as insinuating that there was nothing illegal going on, but that was not the issue. Even though I believe her behavior contributed to her death. But, that's not for me to decide nor assume. Good call on the revert, Bellagio. Cheers. :) __Jeeny 01:37, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Btw, why does the article state that "Although the individual levels of any of the drugs in her system would not have been sufficient to cause death, the combination of these drugs led to her death"? This is contradicted by the full autopsy report page 12 which reveals that the levels of chloral hydrate metabolites alone were way above the lower limits of those encountered in chloral hydrate deaths, and closer to the average of fatal overdose (TCE 75 ug/ml, of 14 lethal overdoses encountered the concentration was 20 to 240 ug/ml with 119 ug/ml being average). So while the autopsy report concludes that death was caused by cloral hydrate and other drugs in combination, it DOES NOT state that cloral hydrate alone could not have caused death or that such result would have been unlikely. At the minimum, this sentence needs to mention a source backing it, because the autopsy report has nothing like that.

I wrote this sentence because the autopsy report concluded that the the cause of death was "acute combined drug toxicity" -- not CL overdose or even "multiple drug toxicity". However, I just looked at the page you specified and see the issue. I agree that if she ingested a fatal amount, then it is a CL overdose - regardless of what else was in her system. I suppose that is why CL is listed as the "toxic/lethal" drug on page 1...but on the summary page, it is listed with the benzos and benadryl - not alone. I don't know if you saw the actual live press conference, but a lot more was said during that. Speficially, one important thing is that Perper said, in the full press conference on MSNBC, that she had been using CL for a very long time and had a tolerance to that and the benzos. Therefore, she routinely took more than the average person would take. Since her TCA levels were so high, it's clear that she was at least taking the CL for a few days - and interviews (in the investigative report and what he alluded to in the press conference) revealed that it went on for much longer. Anyway, I have made some updates to this section, but change it if you see fit. The sad part is what I think really happened... the Cipro blocked her GABA receptors (it's known to do this) and she was drinking caffeine all day, making her go into benzo withdrawal AND be way too hyper from the caffeine. So, she took too much CL because she couldn't fall asleep. But, whatever... just my own speculation (and there's an article on fox news about it too - but not about the benzo part).

I think it also needs to be stated that ANS's long time idol Marilyn Monroe died of almost exactly the same kind drug overdose (also most likely suicide). Add that to Daniel Smith's undetermined cause, quite possibly suicidal, death of also due to combined drug overdose, I think it's a mighty coincidence if this wasn't a suicide. The autopsy report lists significant number of reasons to suspect suicide, but also a long list of reasons to reject it. It's a matter of interpretation, which factors are considered more important than others. As for this judgement call, while probably nobody cares, I think suicide is clearly the more likely alternative. Even if she didn't do it "properly" in a clearly meditated manner, previous occasions (like the pool incident) clearly shows complete disregard for her own health and safety, so that this result should have been expected even if she only drank half of the Noctec bottle and not until it was completely empty. Because that's the only difference for me to a relatively clear cut suicide scene considering all the other evidence. --85.156.132.198 06:54, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Wouldn't she have taken at least one of the drugs in extreme levels? I mean, how would she have been able to guess the exact combination? She probably took a very similar thing the night before - based on her TCA levels (inactive metabolite of chloral hydrate). Anyway, it's very hard to guess what is going to kill you when combining drugs. A few mg here / a few there... she could've lived. She probably overdid it by 1 tablespoon. Perper said in his press conference that she took 3 tablespoons. If she took 1, she'd probably be alive - even with all of the 8 drugs (in relatively small amounts). So, yes...it's open to interpretation, but it just doesn't seem like a suicide. Perper's team comprised of like 30 people and they were all pretty objective (just imagine how many suicides they see...) Anyway, her fascination with Marilyn Monroe was diminishing over time - it said in one of the reports.

Drug names

I think the INN names should be used i.e. Clonazepam, Lorazepam and Diazepam. --212.56.109.125 14:08, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

List of Drugs?=

Maybe I am mistaken, but footage on ET reciently showed a variety of drugs that included Topamax. Now Topamax promotes a loss of bicarbonate from the urine through its carbonic anhydrase inhibitor effects, the net result is to promote acidosis. It lists in the package insert of Topamax (found on drugs@fda website) that other drugs or therapies that promote acidosis (narcotics do this by increasing CO2 levels) might increase the acidosis.

The FDA listed package insert does not explictly list narcotics in the drug interactions section, but such an interaction is implied in its discussion metabolic acidosis promoted by Topamax. This might be an oversite for the package insert information, which forces the doctor to connect the dots to figure out the drug interaction.````rblythe1@verizon.net

Which virus helped contibute to her death?

Most of the newspapers mention that a virus contributed to her death (along with the drugs and recent bacterial infection). Are there any aricles that mention WHAT virus? Antmusic 17:18, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

According to the Smoking Gun report, initial testing suggested Norwalk virus, however this wasn't confirmed in subsequent testing. Tests were influenza A and B were negative. So it's not clear which exact virus was responsible (not uncommon, as viral testing can be inconclusive). Andrew73 18:16, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Not Dead?

Wikipedia doesn't have a date of death. Because this is the sum of all human knowledge, does that mean she's really alive??? Killa Kitty 19:30, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I know. And the article on her death redirects to this article. Has all the content related to the coverage of her death been lost? It's a mess. Anchoress 02:41, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind. Restored most recent version. Anchoress 02:45, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

The Anna Nicole Dictionary?

I just got into the musician dictionary site a few days ago, and I found the celebrity dictionary. The site is really week, but has potential. Can anyone from here come help me start the dictionary?

celebritydictionary.com/wiki/Anna_Nicole_Smith

I'll try to add as much as possible in between working! ;)

Thanks. I think it would be cool to have a super long dictionary like some of the bands on the musician dictionary site. (musiciandictionary.com)

216.205.224.64 17:56, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Valid and Reliable Sources?

TMZ.com and Hollywood.com have popped up here as attributions for ANS death stuff. I wonder if ANS experts consider TMZ.com and Hollywood.com to be valid and reliable sources for ANS facts. I consider them in the same class as National Enquirer and Star -- that is not reliable. Am I wrong? Bellagio99 18:42, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

I thought the same thing. But, she was mostly in the tabloids anyway, and there are a few that are credible. This is because of lawsuits, and such. Yet TMZ, and few others like it, source their victims, celebs quite well and accurately. ANS was not actually famous for any great work, and was mainly as gossip and reality show fodder. Thus, I believe those sources fit, in this circumstance. Yet, I am able to give in if others believe strongly against it, and can source better. I did not source the TMZ article, and tried to research only for some other information about that last bit of the 11 prescriptions none was in her name. I reworded it some, to be more encyclopedic, instead of tabloid reporting. I couldn't find any sources. Yet, if TMZ is making it up, they will be destroying their credibility, I really believe they do NOT want this. They are building quite the reputation, not for nonsense either. They are backed, unlike other tabloid types, by big corporations, such as AOL and I forget the other. The owner is on the news often, during the celebrity segments of course, even on CNN. ABC, NBC, and other basic networks, besides cable. Jeeny 19:22, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Pretty in Pink

I agreed with Jeeny. Pink IS ANS' color, and suitable for the picture caption. Bellagio99 12:36, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Yea I like the pink too. 66.30.14.122 17:56, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Larry Birkehead

He's the father. As soon as the details are up, someone post it. -zblewski