Talk:Pechenegs

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Great_Bulgaria

how is it that turk is older term than Bulgar when great old bulgaria can not be lemon fresh at 600 AD. in order something to be great and old it needs to be at least 100 years old if not more????????????????????????? Bulgars were turkic peoples who migrated from the tataristan today and they were tatars. the term bulgar means mixed.it is a turkish word.so,bulgar is a turkic tribe,a turkic word that the old turks used.that makes turks older than bulgars asterminology.You sound like a man who has a turkic hatred and complex.

Nice rant, anon whoever you are/were and whenever this was posted. However, it has no place on a Wikipedia Talk Page, which is neither a Forum nor a Soapbox, but exists to discuss Reliable Sources for the improvement of the articles. HammerFilmFan (talk) 03:49, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

People

Didn't a tribe of Pechengs convert to Zoroastrianism? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.5.11.64 (talk) 02:51, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Byzantine diplomat and scholar Michael Psellos in the 11th century: "They are more difficult to fight and harder to subdue than any other people . . .They wear no breastplates, greaves or helmets, and carry no shields or swords. Their only weapon and sole means of defence is the spear . . .They build no protective palisades or ditches around their camps. In one dense mass, encouraged by sheer desperation, they shout their thunderous war-cries and hurl themselves pell-mell upon their adversaries and push them back, pressing against themselves in solid blocks, like towers, then pursuing them and slaying them without mercy. If on the other hand the opposing force withstands their assault, they turn about and seek safety in flight (Norwich p. 335) . . ." http://www.geocities.com/egfroth1/Pechenegs.htm

Message for Adam Bishop ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pechenegs&diff=73043337&oldid=73000533. 1)Wusun is the old chinese pronunciation of Ashina aka 突厥 (Gokturks). 3)The Petchenegs appear after the Western Gokturk Khaganate collapsed. The Khazar rulers were from Ashina. Did my report condense these facts too much? I am sorry. Please re-write.Kaz 01:13, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually I thought I was reverting the note that "Bosniak" is related to "Pecheneg", which seems far-fetched, to say the least. Adam Bishop 01:57, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Not Pecheneg but Besenyo. That is a common Hungarian belief, though perhaps Bosnians could get upset about that. :-( Kaz 02:08, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Bacanak

Just to correct a definition: Max Wasmer's Bacanak does not mean brother in law. That particular word is used only by men. Because it actually means my wife's sister's husbandNedim Ardoğa (talk) 13:45, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Battle of Chiraleş in 1068

The Vlachs and the Pechenegs fought against Magyars in 1068 at Chiraleş, in Transilvania and finally lost the battle

Русскій хронографъ, 2,Хронографъ Западно-Русской редакціи,in PSRL, XXII,2, Petrograd, 1914, p.211

V. Spinei, The Romanians and the Turkik nomads North of The Danube Delta from the Tenth to Mid Thirteen Century, Brill, 2009, p.118

Spinei showed the correct date of battle. The cited chronicle is not refused, is cited! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.112.49.190 (talk) 07:15, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

I found there are persons who deny the old chronicles. In old chronicles KUN is sometime the name of Pechenegs or Cumans. They have close languages. A lot of chronicles made this association. Are we forced to declare unreliable a chronicle for this association and to deny a whole chronicle? I found BorsoKa is a person who denies old chronicles.(Русскій хронографъ, 2,Хронографъ Западно-Русской редакціи,in PSRL, XXII,2, Petrograd, 1914, p.211) Back to negationism ? Eurocentral (talk) 13:26, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Please read what WP:NOR means. Please read what Spinei says: he states that the late chronicle writes of Cuman and Romanian marauders, but they are, according to modern historians, actually Pechenegs. Borsoka (talk) 17:12, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

New information on the Padjanaks (Pechenegs)

Those who are interested in reading about the Padjanaks (Pechenegs) and their origin should take a look at The Padjans (Padjanaks, Pechenegs) by Joseph Amyot Padjan. He demonstrates that the Padjanaks were actually the Kushans, and it's pretty hard to disagree with him once you've read his book. He shows that they were actually a tribe of Huns, known as white Huns. Very interesting. Check it out:

https://www.scribd.com/doc/203601298/The-Padjans-Padjanaks-Pechenegs

http://www.josephamyotpadjan.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amongkol (talk • contribs) 04:37, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Scholars can EASILY disagree with him, what are you talking about? LOL. Anyway, this is a scholarly work possibly, but not a Reliable Source as it is self-published, and please, if you think you will get consensus from all historians that his views are 100% accurate, well, dream on. The problem about this time and people is the lack of surviving documentary evidence (if it ever existed) and the lack of good solid archaeological remains, which are not well-preserved with nomadic peoples. If we only had a time machine . . . HammerFilmFan (talk) 03:58, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

How do you know they can "easily" disagree with him? Have you read his book? If you haven't read it, then you are not in a position to say that scholars can easily disagree with him or agree with him. --Amongkol (talk) 02:25, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

pechenga -pins river in fino-ugorian language/ pechenie- coockies in russian 176.65.114.0 (talk) 15:53, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

The current map contains a serious mistake

The current map posits that Karakalpaks lived near the Kievan Rus' states. This is false according to the very article about them which says that there is an unproven theory tying Karakalpaks of Uzbekistan to the Kievan Rus' Cherniye Klobuki. Could the map be corrected then?--Adûnâi (talk) 15:27, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

pechenga pin way in fino-ugorian languages 176.65.96.226 (talk) 15:37, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

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454?

"Old Rus translation of Josephus Flavius (ed. Meshcherskiy, 454)" page? year? 1945? 1845? --142.163.195.81 (talk) 11:54, 27 April 2022 (UTC)