Talk:Orlando

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Ronald Williamson (June 3, 2005). "Orlando's origins may have local link". The Daytona Beach News-Journal.

Book

Not as that anyone who hasn't read the book would notice -- Orlando is actually about the history of English Literature. He becomes a 'she' as women become to figure more importantly in the world of Letters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sparky (talk • contribs) 14:49, 10 December 2003

True or false?

True or false: this article belongs at Orlando (disambiguation) with Orlando being a re-direct to Orlando, Florida. 66.245.18.193 15:03, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Moved most of the topics to the new disambiguation page - however, I tried to keep everything connected to what appears to be the 'root' meaning of Orlando on the Orlando page itself. (Orlando, Florida, was named after a guy who had Orlando as first name, who normally would have gotten his first name as a far derivation from Orlando/Roland character). So no automatic "redirect" to Florida please: when checking "what links here" non-"Orlando, Florida" references appeared quite frequent (I already adapted several of these so they would direct to the correct article directly). I suppose outside Florida (or US?) Orlando is probably more often used not to refer to the American city. Orlando is a very central theme in the whole of Renaissance culture, and the Orlando novel is one of the absolute "musts" of 20th century literature, etc... --Francis Schonken 10:02, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

66.167.139.240 03:57, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC): Even after some clean up done by User:Francis Schonken and myself, it's clear that there are a lot more contributions to Wikipedia that use Orlando to refer to Orlando, Florida instead of Orlando (character) (blame Disney World, perhaps). For now, I've simply created Orlando (character) and redirected Orlando to it, as a compromise. Having the character in a separate article makes it easier to deal with later, as contributions continue.

--Francis Schonken 05:18, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC):

Minor adjustments:

-> Orlando: redirect to disambig page seems more logical now;

-> Re-grouped disambig page, City on top;

-> Orlando (character): always: AND MUSIC...

It's not so much how important Orlando, FL is, it's how unimportant the others are. There's almost literally nothing else that has a legitimate claim to the name. Keep in mind the language of the encyclopedia is in fact English, not Italian or Spanish. Matt Yeager ♫ (Talk?) 05:31, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree that the other meanings are unimportant. It depends on your level of culture. But to avoid a reversion war, I'll leave it to someone else to revert your reversion of my reversion! Eric Kvaalen (talk) 12:58, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The disamb page lists six things (not counting the city) that would normally be referred to as "Orlando" without a qualifier or other descriptive word (as opposed to, say, Orlando Bloom).

A seemingly unimportant film
A seemingly unimportant band
A seemingly unimportant 1960's TV series
The cat from a series of illustrated books
The name of a character in a Shakespeare play
One of Handel's operas (and not an especially important one)

Which of the following matters (regardless of culture)? I assume you must mean the Handel opera... but seriously? A minor opera (even one written by someone as famous as Handel) isn't really that big of a deal notability-wise. I guarantee you that most people typing in "orlando" are NOT looking for that page. Matt Yeager ♫ (Talk?) 02:57, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Orlando (name)

To be more in line with what the other name articles are like, I made a red link near the top of this article for Orlando (name). Ideally this would talk about the origins of the name, etc. Also, I've removed the list of the people named Orlando from here, as they would go in that Orlando (name) article. I might create a stub later, but, you know, maybe not. Recury 18:47, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of Orlando massacre

@Red Slash: Per WP:BRD I do not revert, but I see it really unconstructive that you removed the Orlando massacre after @BD2412 and Parsley Man: (and me) didn't seem to have any problems with it. The massacre is globally very often just cited as "Orlando" [1] and as people usually don't know about the obscure naming conventions[2][3]… in Wikipedia, they will often show up here to look for it. We should really have this link as a service for the readers. --S I 09:09, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, if the general consensus is against it, that's fine by me. I just think of it as an unlikely place to list what I would search for as the Orlando shooting Red Slash 02:09, 21 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 20 August 2016

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The result of the move request was: not moved per WP:SNOW. SST flyer 01:21, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Orlando (disambiguation) → Orlando – "Orlando" should not redirect to Orlando, Florida because I don't think it is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. And there is more than one place called "Orlando". 31.52.4.146 (talk) 12:03, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose move - it's a clear primary topic. The fact there's more than one place named Orlando is irrelevant. ONR (talk) 16:57, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Another poor move request from this IP. I suggest we just start instantly closing these. Nohomersryan (talk) 17:19, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support move: the city is known as "Orlando, Florida", not "Orlando". There are too many other important uses - Shakespearean character, Virginia Woolf novel, etc - for a single American city to claim Primary Topic status. PamD 09:05, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose move. The existence of other articles doesn't prevent the Florida city from being the primary topic. Page view statistics [4] show the city is clearly the primary topic. Calidum ¤ 15:02, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – City is hands down primary topic for the "Orlando" term. Sure, it's a popular name, and the dab page does the job. — JFG ^talk 23:58, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – Once again, this IP is making disruptive request right after their block expired. The IP address has cited no evidence that the city is not primary topic for the term Orlando. ^Ḉɱ̍ 2nd anniv. 17:16, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – I'd like to see a topic ban on move requests and blocking the page move feature for this IP user, but is that even technically possible or do we need this editor to open an account? — JFG ^talk 06:32, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I believe we could do so Calidum ¤ 03:13, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 16 April 2024

The request to rename this article to Orlando has been carried out.

If the page title has consensus, be sure to close this discussion using {{subst:RM top|'''page moved'''.}} and {{subst:RM bottom}} and remove the {{Requested move/dated|…}} tag, or replace it with the {{subst:Requested move/end|…}} tag.

Orlando (disambiguation) → Orlando – I realise that this was discussed before in 2016, but consensus may have changed. A recent discussion at Talk:Orlando, Florida showed no consensus that this is the primary topic. I would put forward two reasons. Firstly, the sheer number of entries on this page means that we should be cautious about deciding that there is a primary topic. Secondly, some people argued that the Florida city is widely known outside the USA because it attracts a large number of tourists as the location of Disney World. However, speaking as a European who has never visited the USA, the extent to which US cities are widely known elsewhere is not necessarily a function of the number of tourists, it's not like e.g. Chicago or Los Angeles. PatGallacher (talk) 17:07, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support I agree the city is the most common use but as noted it doesn't appear to be significantly more so and as noted in the 2016 discussion its common for US cities to be called with the state. And as a side note I was wandering about submitting this RM but its now already done. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:13, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. There's no evidence that the Florida city is not the primary topic here and if it weren't for WP:USPLACE it would be at the base name already. The number of page views Orlando Bloom gets is irrelevant here. No one looking for his page would reasonably look up just Orlando. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 18:08, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Crouch, Swale above. ╠╣uw [talk] 18:46, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The city seems like the clear primary topic here, seemingly with more views than the other primary topics combined. It is also a major US city, not a middle-of-nowhere town, and Wikipedia is not obligated to change its policies simply because people might have a poor grasp of geography. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:23, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. As the person who just proposed the RM to move the city to the base name, I still argue it’s the primary topic for simply “Orlando”. And as Jessintime said, if it weren’t for the poorly made guideline that is WP:USPLACE, the city’s article would be at its proper place of Orlando. True CRaysball | ^#RaysUp 22:46, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]