Template talk:Green parties in Canada

Awkward

This template is incredibly awkward in its current form. Can we split it out to a federal template and templates for the provinces instead? Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 20:12, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

No. Precedent with other parties is that it is one template. Me-123567-Me (talk) 21:54, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Additionally these templates are navigational aids to help readers find 'like' articles. If we break it up into two templates then it breaks up the navigational aid and makes it more difficult to find. Me-123567-Me (talk) 22:09, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Uh, no, precedent with the other parties is that there is one template for the federal party with links to relevant topics, such as provincial affiliates, past and present federal leaders, present provincial leaders, and important related topics, not an expansive template with nested collapses that lists every member of the party at every level everywhere in the country. Compare this template with {{Liberal Party of Canada}}, {{NDP}}, {{Marijuana Party of Canada}}, and so on. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 22:32, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

{{Canadian Conservative Parties}}, {{Canadian Conservative Leaders}}, {{NDP}} Me-123567-Me (talk) 18:12, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

NDP is federal and provincial like this template. Me-123567-Me (talk) 18:12, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

NDP is federal and provincial, but not like this template. {{NDP}} lists the articles about the federal party and provincial affiliates, historic federal leaders and elections, current provincial leaders and most recent elections, and a few other important topics. {{GPC}} lists every historic leader and member of a legislature at every level of the party, including several individuals who don't have articles, in an awkward multi-collapse format which if you expand it is longer than most of the articles it's placed on, and if you collapse it still takes up nearly half the screen at 1600x900. BTW if you want to render a link to a template, you can use {{tl|<name of template>}}. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 18:46, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

I'm not opposed to re-formatting the template. If the current system of collapse by province isn't working, I'm good with changing it up. Also ok with removing red-links. Perhaps we can combine all provincial elected MLAs into one line? Me-123567-Me (talk) 19:05, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Here's what I have in mind. It needs some work, it fails WP:COLOR to start. I added a link to List of Green politicians who have held office in Canada although I think not all of those individuals are necessarily members of a Green Party. It might be useful to create a separate list of Green Party politicians who have been elected, although it's not a long list so maybe just adding a line to the template would work. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 20:14, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

It's difficult to establish political allegiances in provinces that don't use political parties for municipal politics, so I partially agree. Everyone on the list, however, I believe is or was elected. A separate list would look the same or short if you limit it to federal and provincially elected folks. I like your draft template. That could work nicely. May need some tweaking later if we miss anything. Me-123567-Me (talk) 20:31, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Yes agree they should be split....federal and provincial parties are normally separated. Odd no one ever noticed this odd ball temp before.--Moxy (talk) 22:59, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

• @Me-123567-Me and Moxy: this discussion fell off my radar, but I've gone ahead and copied over my revised, condensed draft. This version probably needs some work, just letting you know. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 15:01, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Changes for accuracy

I've altered the infobox here to reflect the fact it's contents are more generally related to Green Politics in Canada rather than specific to the Green Party of Canada. The previous arrangement of this infobox erroneously identified the provincial green parties as "wings" of the federal party which is not accurate, they are not wings as they are wholly independent. The only party with wings is the NDP which is a single organisation. It looks like at some point some silly goose went around and tried to have all the Canadian Political infoboxes emulate the design of the NDP one which has resulted in these inaccuracies cropping up (the Liberal party infobox suffers from the same error to a lesser extent). Please do not revert the changes made, If you want an infobox which is exclusively for the Green Party of Canada I suggest you look towards what's done with the Conservative Party of Canada infobox and it's companion right-wing parties infobox as a more appropriate way of doing things. --142.229.115.111 (talk) 16:44, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

I agree with the point that the lower-level parties are not “wings” of the federal party. They are separate and distinct entities with no legal relationship to each other. (Further, my understanding of election laws is that they are legally prohibited from formally acting as a common entity.) They do, for the most part, share the six Green principles (as shared by Green Parties around the world), and have often derived their logos from similar stylized sunflower motifs (the sunflower being an emblem used by many Green Parties around the world). But those commonalities do not make them bound to each other, nor does it define any of them as “wings” of a parent party. --GrantNeufeld (talk) 20:36, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

I agree with re-naming party wings. I don't agree with calling them parties as not everything in that section is separate from the GPC. For now I have called it party entities. I also don't agree with changing the header wording to green politics from gpc. Me-123567-Me (talk) 17:17, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

How about “Green Parties in Canada” instead, since many of the articles linked in the box are not about the “Green Party of Canada”? --GrantNeufeld (talk) 19:06, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

That would be better. Me-123567-Me (talk) 20:29, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Removal of custom color scheme

I've removed the custom color scheme from this navbox. As with other custom navbox color schemes, it serves no encyclopedic purpose, and acts only as decoration that actually makes the navbox less accessible to vision-impaired users. Wikipedia templates are intended to be navigation features, not party banners.

There is a wider discussion on the general issues involved at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Templates#Advertising_colors. -- The Anome (talk) 21:32, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

much better without the excessive colouring. Frietjes (talk) 20:22, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

General elections

I removed the past & upcoming general elections from the template as these are not specific Green articles and I doubt other Canadian political templates include these either. Me-123567-Me (talk) 00:10, 11 November 2019 (UTC)