Talk:Maram Susli

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Name in Arabic

Article currently gives her name in Arabic. Where is this sourced from? We don't normally give Australians' names in Arabic unless they also use that language; is there evidence she does? BobFromBrockley (talk) 15:17, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

She's from Syria and her first language was Arabic and she grew up Muslim HumansRightsIsCool (talk) 22:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://youtu.be/8LROivbJsuU?si=N3x7OL7XBtii8X4M literally video where she speaks Arabic HumansRightsIsCool (talk) 22:33, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Right-wing

@HumansRightsIsCool: Which source are you referring to which calls her far right? Do you mean this one? — Czello ^(music) 21:29, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah plus she's praised neo-nazis like Nick Fuentes, in this article it says she was interviewed by a Nazi and she's friends with another right-wing conspiracy theorist Alex Jones and has appeared on Infowars multiple times for over a decade. Other sources call her right-wing and I think she even said she has way more right-wing beliefs than left-wing. HumansRightsIsCool (talk) 21:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

this article also suggests she might be anti-semitic and might actually be far-right HumansRightsIsCool (talk) 21:36, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of what you've just said is WP:OR. Onto the sources themselves – this one is an opinion piece and doesn't actually call her right-wing. Do you have other sources that use that description? — Czello ^(music) 21:36, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

yeah I saw other sources that call her right wing but I forgot where they're located in this article. I'll look right now HumansRightsIsCool (talk) 21:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to an article on Facts Buddy, Susli has contributed to various media outlets and has been involved with far-right and neo-Nazi podcasts and networks. I asked an ai chat bot for an article that describes her as right-wing because I'm way to lazy to go through all the sources, I knows a few sources in this article call her right-wing, but I forgot where. Also the 5th source I mentioned earlier that you linked, they use maram susli as an example for a right-wing conspiracy theorists, I think that's good enough. HumansRightsIsCool (talk) 22:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay but if you can't actually find these sources it'll have to be removed as this is a BLP. Also the 5th source doesn't actually call her far-right/right-wing, but it says her post was made to a far-right forum. As it's an opinion piece that's not really enough. — Czello ^(music) 07:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, she is obviously right-wing, but if my edit is going against wikipedia rules, remove it, do what you have to do. I saw she's right-wing in sources, but I forgot where or I might be thinking of something else. I'm too lazy to look through all the sources that might take an hour so do what you have to do HumansRightsIsCool (talk) 16:03, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

here I'll remove it for you lol HumansRightsIsCool (talk) 16:06, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As an FYI, because I see you're new here, and you've already added content previously without including a source: if you search for – "Maram Susli" "right wing" – in a search engine it shouldn't take you an hour to find any reliable sources. It'd also be worth cross-referencing with WP:RSP (or use the noticeboard search function) to check the reliability of sources, as many (if not most via news sources) aren't considered reliable. At a glance there aren't any sources I saw for this description though. You might otherwise be right that she is right-wing, but Wikipedia isn't based on what's true and "obvious", it's based on what's reliability sourced and verifiable. CNC (talk) 22:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just posting to emphasise to ‎HumansRightsIsCool that the sourcing requirements for biographies of living people (WP:BLP) are particularly strict, especially for contentious statements. I had to revert their last contribution because the source didn't directly support the claim either that Susli supports Hamas, or that multiple news organisations had said so. It might be your interpretation that anyone who supports a Palestinian protest is pro-Hamas, but it's not Wikipedia's role to make such inferences. I understand you might find this frustrating, but this is how Wikipedia maintains its NPOV stance.OsFish (talk) 03:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@HumansRightsIsCool: I would like to invite you to self-revert this set of edits. In my view, they simply do not support the claim that Susli supports Hamas. You are aware that other editors have issues with the material you want to insert. You should therefore seek to establish WP:consensus on this talk page first. That's how it works here.OsFish (talk) 03:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]