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user:MaplePorter

Herschelkrustofsky (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (HK) was involved in three ArbCom cases. In the course of them he was discovered to be using sock puppets so expertly as to almost elude detection. One of the cases includes a ban enforcement provision that resultd in a one-year ban: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Lyndon LaRouche 2#Ban enforcement. Since then the ban has been reset twice due to further sock activity. MaplePorter (talk · contribs) (MP) has edited with the same POV as HK. Recently, MP uploaded an image, claiming that it had been scanned by her boyfiend,[1] who she claimed had never edited Wikipedia before.[2] The photo, Image:DennisKing,ChipBerlet.jpg, is an identical copy, pixel-for-pixel, as a photo uploaded by HK three years ago, Image:King berlet.jpg. It is techically impossible for a scanned photo to exactly match another scan done on a different scanner years apart. The image is not readily available on the web, but MP does not claim she obtained it there anyway. The logical conclusion is that MP has lied about how she obtained the photo, and the likeliest reason is that MP is actually a sockpuppet of HK. I request that the MP account be banned as a sockpuppet and that the ban on HK be reset. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 21:37, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If MP and HK were the same person, why would MaplePorter be uploading that image again? I don't even understand why MP would lie about the source of the image... there's another one available so why does it matter? -- tariqabjotu 21:45, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The image uploaded by HK had been deleted long ago. I restored it for the purpose of this comparison. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 22:10, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I received this image as an attachment to an email from a friend of mine. I had the impression that this person had aquired the image by scanning. However, I have now spoken on the phone with this person, and he informed me that he was unable to get a satisfactory result by scanning, so he used an image that he found on the web at this location: http://www.biocrawler.com/w/images/8/89/King_berlet.jpg. I hope this solves one mystery. The other, unsolved mystery is why is this such a big deal to Will Beback? There are many real problems at Wikipedia that could use attention by an administrator. --MaplePorter 23:43, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am also puzzled about how Will's "logical conclusion" that I was lying is consistant with WP:AGF. --MaplePorter 23:46, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:Hajji Piruz

User:Hajji Piruz is placed under parole under the first decision by ArbCom [3], and further placed under supervised editing per the second decision - [4],

In the last 2 days, User:Hajji Piruz, extending his edit wars to literature templates, deleted twice the content from the Template:Literature of Azerbaijan:

According to WP:3RR, revert is: A revert, in this context, means undoing, in whole or in part, the actions of another editor or of other editors. This can include undoing edits to a page, deleting content or restoring deleted content, undoing page moves (sometimes called "move warring"), undoing administrative actions (sometimes called "wheel warring"), or recreating a page . [5]. Thanks. Atabek 16:13, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked for 48 hours and banned from the template for six months. Moreschi ^Talk 16:38, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:VartanM

I would like to ask the admins to review the situation with the recent paroles and warnings. Me and User:Baku87 were placed on parole yesterday by the admins: [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aynabend&curid=1479710&diff=157274162&oldid=157127329] [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Baku87&curid=2803571&diff=157129402&oldid=157123730], while another 2 editors received only a warning for the same violation: [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dfitzgerald&diff=prev&oldid=157231840] [6] This is a second warning for VartanM, the first one is here: [7] It is strange that I was placed on parole without any warning, while VartanM receives 2 warnings from the admins. Why users are not treated the same? --Aynabend 06:40, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This was cross-posted to Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:VartanM. I responded there.--Chaser - T 06:45, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:Dacy69

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

I concur with the unblock. The edit cited by Chaser [8] is Dacy69's only edit to that article, so it isn't even a reversion. ArbCom did not require that editors explain their edits, only their reverts. In the future, editors making such reports here will be expected to provide diffs of the reverts in question. Reports that contain blanket accusations without specifics will be ignored. Thatcher131 19:13, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This users contributions are mostly, if not all, reverts: [9] He is required by the arbcom restrictions to use the discussion page and make comments regarding his reverts. Not only does he not engage in discussions on the issues that he simply comes out of nowhere to revert on, but he only leaves one sentence comments after his reverts which are nothing more than him basically saying that he reverted: [10], [11], [12], etc... the list can go on and on.

This behavior is not helping the situation, it seems to be only adding fuel to the fire.Hajji Piruz 00:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I second Hajji Piruz, his one sentence justifications are not constructive and create more tension. --VartanM 02:11, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see that his conntribs are mostly reverts. He reverts no more or even less than people who report him. --Grandmaster 04:42, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Grandmaster, I believe playing an administrator, has already been discussed. He was reported to administrators. Checking Dacy's latest 50contribution list, I see that besides Cultural Genocide and Shirvanis the rest of his mainspace edits are reverts either to you or Ataabek. So I can clearly see that Hajji's observation and report are justified. Note September 4th, only reverts. VartanM 05:19, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, long threads of argument rarely help administrators make decisions on this or other pages that require admin attention.--Chaser - T 05:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why don't you folks assume good faith? VartanM haven't you been revert warring at Khurshidbanu Natavan? - Here are the links for 5 days between 9/5 and 9/10: [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18]. Atabek 05:53, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

LOL Atabek, this has already be discussed on other administrator notice board. I provided detailed breakdown of the history of the article. I only reverted twice. The rest are my failed attempts to remove a picture that is being used as a source. Its still there. I was reverted 6 times. Please stop the baseless accusations. VartanM 06:01, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked 24 hours. Fifth block under this remedy.--Chaser - T 05:50, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chaser, how about this one [19], just down below, which hasn't been addressed yet. Atabek 05:53, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chaser, I asked for a source for outrageous claims that Piruz included in that article Shirvanis on 8 September [20]. No source has been provided so far. Is it a sufficient discussion on part of Hajji Piruz? Dacy reverted the article 2 days later, because it contained claims that had no reliable sources cited, and no sources were provided since then. I believe Dacy did the right thing, because the other party took no part in dicussion at all. I would like you to have a look at what's going on on that article and evaluate the behavior of both parties. Grandmaster 06:17, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have. I don't find fault with you or Hajji Piruz's reversions since you were discussing a legitimate disagreement on the talk page (and yes, I see it as a legitimate disagreement). Dacy69's edits have recently consisted of simply reverting and adding notes to the talk page that indicate little more than that he reverted (this is but one example). It's true that there was discussion on the talk page justifying the reversion, but editing Wikipedia does not consist of merely reverting other people's edits in slow-brew edit wars in which everyone runs up their once-a-week limits. It's a legitimate expectation that editors who want to participate in reverting something will also engage in discussion about it. "[Dacy69] is required to discuss any content reversions on the page's talk page." That didn't happen. As a general rule, editors should discuss controversial edits. In this case, revert parole requires it.--Chaser - T 08:19, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have unblocked this user based on this user's {{unblock}} request. His "revert" was productive and it followed a reasonable interval to address the problem with the section. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 18:30, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

User:Behmod and User:AlexanderPar

Please see the results of this checkuser request: [21] Both users were parties to Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2, which passed remedies allowing the admins to take measures against disruptive editors on topic related articles. Behmod was previously caught using a sock account, see[22] but one of admins unblocked him and the sock account of User:Pam55, believing that they were students in the same university, despite objections of the blocking admin. This was discussed both in checkuser page and ANI board. [23] Now Behmod was proved to be using another sock account. As for AlexanderPar, checkuser shows that he uses an open proxy. --Grandmaster 04:32, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just when I thought this couldn't get more complex... Anyway, I have indefinitely blocked Behmod (talk · contribs) and added ChateauLincoln (talk · contribs) to the list of users in the ArbCom case. I don't know enough about open proxies to know if AlexanderPar's use of one is due to malintent, so I'll leave that for someone else. -- tariqabjotu 06:16, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So you blocked the puppetmaster and placed his sock on a parole? I tend to think that it should have been done the other way around. But it should also be taken in consideration that this is the second time checkuser proves that Behmod is using a sock account [24], and it seems that when he avoided the punishment the first time it encouraged him to continue sockery. Grandmaster 07:01, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:Grandmaster

User:Grandmaster after some discussions related to historical articles on Armenia-Azerbaijan, started an edit war: for example, Shushi Massacres [25][26][27] and some other articles [28] while he is added here [29]. He didnt succeed as an Administrator asked its ok. Then without any explanation he added me to sockpuppets check-list and when he again didnt succeed [30], started to wikistalk me [31][32], now he wrote things without facts. Here he wrote I edited articles "in an aggressive point of view manner marked by incivility on revert parole and other limitations, established by the arbcom."! I need even one fact of "an aggressive point of view manner marked by incivility on revert parole and other limitations, established by the arbcom", if its true! Andranikpasha 11:08, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Being limited by a parole to 1 rv per week, I’m unable to edit war and compete with unrestricted users, so accusation of edit warring is groundless. I see nothing wrong with asking for a checkuser of some new accounts, as there was a lot of sockpuppetry in the last few days and admins blocked at least 7 sock accounts editing Armenia – Azerbaijan articles. A good faith editor has nothing to be afraid of; the checkuser will help him to clear himself of suspicions. And the number of reverts by Andranikpasha that I listed in my report speaks for itself, such extensive reverting on a large number of pages is covered by the latest arbcom ruling. Grandmaster 11:40, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, out of 3 diffs that Andranikpasha listed as evidence of my edit warring only 1 is a revert. The other 2 are not reverts to any previously existing version. Grandmaster 11:44, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes you just asked for a quickly deletion of an article without discussing the reason...Andranikpasha 11:52, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I concur with Grandmaster. You'll need to show more than one revert (as he is, indeed, entitled to one per week) to demonstrate revert waring. El_C 11:53, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pls see below. I asked for the edit (no revert) warring! Andranikpasha 11:57, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring is the same as revert warring. Grandmaster 12:00, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I'm not entirely sure I understand that request. El_C 12:01, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, are you an Administrator? Andranikpasha 12:11, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Affirmative. El_C 12:13, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The request is to prove my editing by "an aggressive point of view manner marked by incivility on revert parole and other limitations, established by the arbcom", or delete me from here [33] and Grandmaster's asking sorry for non-true accusations and wikistalking!Andranikpasha 12:24, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but I don't have the authority to overrule the Arbitration Committee (so as to remove you from that list); not sure I follow the rest. El_C 12:28, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification: Any admin may place any editor under probation, revert parole and civility parole if that editor "edits articles which relate to Armenia-Azerbaijan and related ethnic conflicts in an aggressive point of view manner marked by incivility." per Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan_2#Applicability_to_all_disruptive_editors. Ryan Postlethwaite has made such a finding with respect to User:Andranikpasha and placed him on the enforcement list. Since this is a matter of admin discretion (ArbCom did not itself list Andranikpasha) then presumably another admin can overturn it, although this is so rare that I can not recall it happening before. Andranikpasha is asking someone to overturn Ryan's decision and remove him from the list. I am not currently in a position to evaluate this. Thatcher131 12:55, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Right again. Thanks, Thatcher131. Now I'm up to speed. El_C 13:00, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's definitely one of ArbCom's more intricate decisions. Thatcher131 13:08, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

thanks! The problem is Im sure there isnt any fact of "conflicts in an aggressive point of view manner marked by incivility." Also Id like to know if Grandmaster's linked activities are not under WP:WIKISTALK? Its very nervous every day to find a new unexplained "bad info" on yourself!! Thanks in advance!Andranikpasha 13:04, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you read the rule about wikistalking. It says: Wikistalking refers to the act of following an editor to another article to continue disruption. ... The important part is the disruption - disruption is considered harmful. Wikistalking is the act of following another user around in order to harass them. Have I ever harassed you? Grandmaster 13:13, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's intuitive that the admin who added you to the list would be most suited to review, and possibly reconsider, that decision. Why not ask him? El_C 13:14, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I asked to that Admin many-many times (for example see my or his talk lists). Andranikpasha 13:21, 11 September 2007 (UTC) Grandmaster, you harrased me by adding my name to the sockpuppets check list without any explanation [34] and then supporting the user who used it against me [35], and also you harrased me by calling "an aggressive point of view manner marked by incivility on revert parole and other limitations, established by the arbcom" below without any fact.Andranikpasha 13:21, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You've asked on my talk page and I've answered you a number of times. You are disruptively edit warring on a number of Armenia-Azerbaijan pages so I have put your editing under supervision per the provisions of the arbitration case. Ryan Postlethwaite 13:23, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here[36]: "Sorry, but why you didnt answer to my questions? I think its better to complete a work which you started and explain why you added me for supervision if I keep the rules of Wiki. Simple "edit warring" word is not enough. Pls see again!" , until now not answered. Here: [37] "So is there a fact or no? im always keep the rules and Im correct so I dont see a reason to call my activity an editwar.Andranikpasha 11:18, 11 September 2007 (UTC) ? And are there a rule asking if even I didnt make any aggressive revert without discussion and didnt pass 3RR anyways my activities can be call an edit war?Andranikpasha 12:14, 11 September 2007 (UTC) ", until now not answered!!Andranikpasha 13:30, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

PS- Is there a Wiki rule on "disruptively edit warring" and a description, which marked my case? Id prefer to see me quilty detailed, not by simple words "disruptively edit warring" (where, when? any links? do you mark under this everything I done or just some of my contributions?)Andranikpasha 13:33, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here's your disruptive edit warring and the reasons you were placed under supervision;

Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia: [38] [39] [40] [41]

Anti-Turkism: [42] [43] [44] [45] [46]

Shushi Massacres: [47] [48] [49] [50] [51][52] [53]

March Days: [54] [[55]]

September Days: [56][57]

Varoujan Garabedian‎: [58] [59]

Arran (Republic of Azerbaijan): [60] [61] [62]

Ryan Postlethwaite 13:41, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Any links to the rules? anyways see for example the first link: a semivandal-ip reverted old version to this (he even didnt change the source):"The Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA) was a Marxist-Leninist '''terrorist'''<REFER"Over the past decade, 36 Turkish diplomats have been assassinated abroad, including four in the US. The guerilla groups tend to be highly professional: upon its creation in 1975, the best-known of them, the Marxist Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA), was trained in the Beirut camps of the Palestine Liberation Organization". Remembring with Vengeance, by Pico Iyer // Time magazine, № 32, 8 aug., 1983REFEr> organization, that operated from 1975 to 1986." I reverted to the right form of quotation (see also words to avoid): "The Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA) was a Marxist-Leninist '''guerilla'''<REFER"Over the past decade, 36 Turkish diplomats have been assassinated abroad, including four in the US. The guerilla groups tend to be highly professional: upon its creation in 1975, the best-known of them, the Marxist Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA), was trained in the Beirut camps of the Palestine Liberation Organization". Remembring with Vengeance, by Pico Iyer // Time magazine, № 32, 8 aug., 1983"Refer> organization, that operated from 1975 to 1986." Is this one a disruptive edit warring? if yes, then sorry, if no, pls mark that one which was an editwarring. Thank you! Andranikpasha 13:48, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

PS- I will be very grateful if you look up my contributions and reverts once again and check again if I really done something wrong and uncorrect!Andranikpasha 13:57, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's incomprehensible. What am I to make of that... disjointed collection of sentences?(!) El_C 13:55, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You can look up the diff [63]! The only word I reverted in the text was "terrorist" to "guerilla" (when the source asking the same thing).Andranikpasha 14:01, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Look, it's up to you to cite diffs, I'm not the one who should look for these. And you should'nt place that lengthy repetition here. That's unfair of you. We are all volunteers here and our efforts are needed elsewhere, too. You gotta be more precise & concise. Thx in advance. El_C 14:07, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, so you were correct in reverting in the first diff (although for the life of me, I cannot fathom why you copied the actual sentences, with the bold text & everything), what about all the others? Remember concision & clarity, or I'm just gonna go do something else (like this → click me). El_C 14:17, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"so you were correct in reverting in the first diff ".- So someone was uncorrect while adding this diff to prove Im quilty! Do you need Ill continue to prove that any diff linked here are non-true (the same cases). Im affraid I need a lot of place to open every revert here! so its better just look up them if ther're even one true diff which really marks my editwarring. Andranikpasha 15:26, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Again, please follow standard indentation. Depends on how concise you can be (the more concise you are, the more you are motivating myself, the volunteer, to look into the matter); you may use your own talk page, too. El_C 21:06, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, it's clear that last arbcom didn't resolve all issues. How about we do ArmAzer 3? All in favor?--TigranTheGreat 12:44, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why? It is been a couple a weeks since the end of the last one. I don't see any issues that require another arbcom case right now. Grandmaster 12:47, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:Fedayee

This contributor was a party to both Armenia-Azerbaijan and Armenia-Azerbaijan 2 ArbCom cases. According to second ArbCom remedy [64], User:Fedayee is subject to supervised editing and must "maintain a reasonable degree of civility" with other users. In last few days, he has assumed bad faith and personally attacked at several instances:

Attacking the ethnicity of User:Ehud Lesar [65]: **Why request a checkuser... sounds right now that his Ehud account still sticks, an alleged Jew who merely reverts to your and Grandmaster’s versions and is concentrated in Armenian-Azeri related articles and who only returns to Jewish contributions when other editors wonder about him
Attacking me [66]:
- "you are editing in a very abrasive way"
Assuming bad faith against me [67]:
- Atabek has not changed a bit, after two arbitration cases and the arbitrators ignoring our plight to take dispositions to stop Atabek’s disruptions
Wikilawyering [68]:
- you should've not been in the current Arbcom remedy this is far too light in your situation because you could and still disrupt without having to be uncivil
Accusing me of irrelevant, unproven and unrelated things in Wikipedia [69]:
- Also from recent allegations from Persian members, it seems that Atabek has created havoc in a Persian website extending conflicts on Wikipedia.
Assuming bad faith again [70]:
- Given I have experienced your history of misrepresentation of sources and misquoting...
Assuming bad faith [71]:
- Chaser, on the 200,000 figure, Atabek made this edit as a provocation; he could have known that he will be accused of source manipulation and distortion

I would like to ask for User:Fedayee yet again to assume good faith and be civil. Thanks. Atabek 03:20, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I never attacked Ehud Lesar's alleged ethnicity, I merely questioned it for points raised above. I never attacked you personally, I described your edits. The rest is not assumption of bad faith but a description of what I see and experience after trying to assume good faith edit after edit after edit by you. Thank you. - Fedayee 22:37, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The violation is that Ehud Lesar's ethnicity has nothing to do with editing in Wikipedia. Under which policy do you think you're justified to question established user's ethnic identity and/or call it alleged? Atabek 22:45, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The same way you or others question newly arrived people who hold an opposing view from yours into being Armenians or Armenian sockpuppets. Ehud Lesar is dubious considering Adil Baguirov's past attempts at passing as a Jew (some account called Weiszman or something similar) who edited the same way Mr. Ehud Lesar did. - Fedayee 03:57, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Checkuser showed that Ehud is not Adil and not a sock. Calling someone's ethnic identity "alleged" is not appropriate here. Grandmaster 04:22, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

His not questioning his ethnicity, his questioning his authenticity. The same way you questioned every new users authenticity and labeled them a sockpuppet of Artaxiad who disagreed with you. VartanM 06:09, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mind WP:AGF. Whenever in doubt, I always filed a checkuser or asked the admins to check the suspicious accounts, but I never made any improper comments about other users like Fedayee does. Grandmaster 06:20, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

All the ArbCom remedies for Fedayee apply to articles, not requests for checkuser or arbitration enforcement. Arguments about such meta issues like whether an editor ought to be sanctioned under ArbComm remedies get quite heated, but I'm not going to micromanage those arguments on the basis of what's above. My general advice to all of you is to not post long threads of argument on this page. The most helpful thing is concise, specific reports with diffs. Long replies to reports here are counterproductive.--Chaser - T 06:06, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:VartanM

[72] - User:VartanM, after revert removing body of sourced material [73], addresses me:

I am getting tired of your abrasive answers...

I don't see a basis for such wording, especially given the fact that User:VartanM was warned earlier [74] to assume good faith and to be more corteous [75]. Atabek 04:45, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Atabek, keeps pushing his POV. He moved the article without discussion and getting a consensus He is misquoting scholars. He is yet to compromise and work constructively. He never assumes good faith. VartanM 04:59, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see a reason for such bad faith words by User:VartanM, when I did provide extensive rationale for my edit and the move [76]. Sources I cited are a prominent scholar Minorsky from University of London and Oxford scholar CJD Dowsett, both references are being removed by VartanM, and my answers are being called "abrasive", even here now. Thanks. Atabek 05:14, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Atabek has been harassing me since his 4 day block. He filed 2 baseless reports about me while he was blocked and now another one. Its tobvious his holding a grudge against me and is trying to get even. I request the arbitrators to check his contributions after the block and check his contributions in more details.

Armenian Legion He choose to edit and add that 200,000 Armenians served in Germany under the Nazis the same day his block expired. WP:AGF WP:POINT WP:Retaliation

I will file another arbitration request if this attacks and continuous provocations don't stop. VartanM 05:44, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed all partisan content from both your userpages. If you can't deal with the sight of it, then neither of you will have anything partisan on his userpage. As to the incivility, I've warned VartanM about the above comment. As to everything else, you're welcome to post diffs of specific things. I'm not going to go searching for evidence. The move reversion was explained in the edit summary and then immediately on the talk page. The lack of consensus isn't really relevant unless there was consensus against moving or active discussion on the talk page. As to the title itself, let's discuss that on the article's talk page, please.--Chaser - T 07:11, 8 September 2007 (UTC) I don't find the Armenian Legion diff above to be a policy violation; there's active disagreement on the talk page about that point, and Atabek did include the crucial "claimed" qualifier.--Chaser - T 07:15, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is a mistake to have a warning for this "Atabek does answer in a very abrasive way". Atabek’s edit on his userpage was not to provoke Vartan, it was to provoke Fadix after knowing about the new sock which was the same day he made those edits, possibly expecting a reaction from the sock. He did the same thing soon after I had proposed that Fadix’s first sock creation might have actually been to answer Flavius, it was only then that Atabek started his multiple article disruption campaign by editing various mainspaces, removing the mention of the Armenian genocide (including from Fadix created articles) while the arbitration was still proceeding. Atabek’s battleground mentality and his repeated and consistent provocations have not ceased one bit. I am waiting for administrators reply on the possible course of event and if there is material to re-open a new arbitration case. Chaser, to a certain limit, Atabek could claim that he does not believe the genocide happened, we can't restrict people to put their opinions in userpages, the differences with Atabek’s modification in his userpage was that it was added specifically to provoke us, he did not merely say he does not believe the genocide happened, he compared the death of over a million, the successful destruction of the entire Armenian community in Western Armenia in its entirety, with a tragedy having happened in avillage.

Chaser, on the 200,000 figure, Atabek made this edit as a provocation; he could have known that he will be accused of source manipulation and distortion. Atabek’s first attributed the 200,000 figure to Y. Auron, and if you read Atabek, you will see that he was actually rejecting that the source was saying that represents Dro figures. [77]. He was rather claiming that they were the true numbers claimed by Auron. Vartan did his homework and read the pages in question, and it ended up that both Atabek and him were wrong, the figures were neither Auron's neither Dro, they were from Minna Rozen [78]. They were not cited for accuracy, it comes from a letter she wrote on the Armenian Genocide to her Mayor, most likely she miswrote it by adding one more 0, since it was a letter not an academic paper which was reviewed for correction from mistyping and fact checking. Auron who reproduced the letter say in the next page that he will be covering this Armenian legion, which he does and provides the official German archival figures of 18,000 and Walker figures of 20,000 (which probably Rozen misquoted by adding one more 0).

Atabek knew that Auron was not talking about Dro figures, he denied they were his himself, he knew that by re-adding something which he himself knew was not true, he would provoke Vartan. The same goes with Smbat, Atabek was caught misquoting Dowsett’s work by replacing the in text use of Smbat for Sunbat, he even admitted previously that he was doing it be claiming that he did nothing wrong and that he was merely using the Arabic version. But now, he again by knowing he is misusing sources, used Dowsett in the discussion to support Sunbat while Dowsett uses his Armenian name Smbat.

Also, if Atabek keeps reporting members’ each and every contributions, it is obvious that with time he will be able to have every members restricted. No member can remain civil when harassed and provoked this way. - Fedayee 18:29, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have not harassed nor provoked User:VartanM either with my edit or with my comment [79]. Assume good faith, this policy and ArbCom remedy requires strict adherence. Thanks. Atabek 21:32, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chaser, this is a second time User:VartanM attacks me and is being warned, while the ArbCom remedy clearly asks [80] for only one warning. I would like to ask again for the case to be reviewed by arbitrator, who participated in formulating the remedies. It's unclear how remedy applies one way to me, and another way to User:VartanM and User:Fedayee above, the latter was also a party to both ArbCom cases. Atabek 21:22, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vartan did not attack you; he presented the situation as it is and in a civil fashion. You don't need to repeat AGF I know very well what it means. My opinion is that you should've not been in the current Arbcom remedy this is far too light in your situation because you could and still disrupt without having to be uncivil.

It is the third time you are reporting Vartan for things which are not clear cut incivility and this in a short length of time abusing the process, you returned to the Armenian Legion article making an edit knowing that your edit was not accurate. You could not have ignored that Vartan would accuse you of distorting because he knew you knew that your edit was inaccurate including your comment about Dowsett on the name Smbat. You are taking this whole reporting thing as a strategy game, it was never meant to be this. By scrutinizing members contributions that far and reporting them on each occasion, it is expected that you could successfully restrict any members under the arbitration remedy.

I just hope Thatcher comments on your contribution and his allegation that you were less disruptive than some other contributors was not made in similar form in private to other arbitrators. Because I am at odds on why administrators and arbitrators are reluctant to check your conduct.

Also from recent allegations from Persian members, it seems that Atabek has created havoc in a Persian website extending conflicts on Wikipedia. But I prefer not to discuss about something which I ignore. - Fedayee 23:46, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fedayee, there is no proof to claim me as someone posting at Persian website. So again, be civil and assume good faith, and VartanM has been warned for incivility, for a second time now. Thanks. Atabek 00:42, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Then the incivility warning is open for debate, you are editing in a very abrasive way. Provoking members to have them blocked. Chaser removed your provocations from your userpage, and when I made my comment on the freedom of users to hold their opinion in their userpage, you did not waste any time to reinstate a provocative and abrasive template. This: This user recognizes and condemns the Armenian and Turkish massacres during World War I but opposes their political misinterpretation as "Armenian Genocide". is not a holding of an opinion unlike what it appears to be, it is a statement of fact disguised as a sympathy recognition for others to wonder why Armenian users are still offended for such a nice gesture of recognition.

Atabek has not changed a bit, after two arbitration cases and the arbitrators ignoring our plight to take dispositions to stop Atabek’s disruptions, Atabek is still continuing by provoking members and taking Wikipedia as a chess board or another strategy game. We have requested him to stop soapboxing about the Armenian genocide on every given occasion… he did it regardless while the first arbitration was proceeding, he also did it while the second arbitration was proceeding, trying to provoke a banned member to invade his ban even further. He knows how this issue is sensitive for the Armenians and he used it to provoke members into a fight and it doesn't appear that he has any interest into stopping it.

I already announced that I intended to request another arbitration case while the other was closing if nothing was done to stop Atabek’s multiple and simultaneous disruptions, but waited. I see no other option now, which is what I will be doing. - Fedayee 01:31, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fedayee, you have been asked to assume good faith, your continuation along these lines will force me to report on AE. Regarding some of your comments, accusing and attacking me for information I put on my own user page, it strictly adheres to WP:USER, so if you see a violation of it, please, discuss that on my talk page instead of WP:SOAP on Arbitration enforcement page and/or threatening with another ArbCom. Also, remember that ignoring massacres of scores of Turks during World War I occurred at the hands of Armenian Dashnak bands and invading Russian troops is the same provocative insult as denial of Armenian massacres (which I actually did and do say I recognize and condemn!). According to your logic, your edits at Talk:Khojaly Massacre and Talk:March Days trying to question the number of Azerbaijani victims, undermine the fact of massacres committed against Azeris, etc. when I clearly provided references from the New York Times (1920), Michael Smith and Dr. Firuz Kazemzadeh of Yale, would also be considered engagement in battles along national lines and provocative editing. After all, I don't do the same on Armenia-related pages. So, yet again, assume good faith, and before attacking me again, please, adhere to Wikipedia policies. Thanks. Atabek 02:59, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"...denial of Armenian massacres (which I actually did and do say I recognize and condemn!)." Atabek

Ok, let's clarify something. Do you recognize the Armenian massacres as a Genocide? Yes or no? --TigranTheGreat 12:50, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:Skinny McGee

As a result of Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Midnight_Syndicate, Skinny_McGee is barred from editing any articles related to Midnight Syndicate or Nox Arcana.

Skinny McGee has broken his ban on 3 occasions and exhibits a strong (or at the very least suspicious) bias toward any editor who mentions the name of the former band member, Joseph Vargo, for whom Skinny McGee holds a strong aversion, as indicated in his past when calling the person a "dispicable human being." [81] It was this contempt for his former band member and efforts at self-promotion for his band Midnight Syndicate that resulted in an edit war, and resulted in the ban in the first place. This could be Wikistalking in its infancy steps.

Skinny McGee adding a promotional link [82] to Midnight Syndicate. Skinny McGee was suspected to be a member of that band, which was part of the reason the ban was placed.

Removal of content (twice) from the Nox Arcana's Darklore Manor album[83] and[84]. Skinny McGee was previously found to be biased against Joseph Vargo, who is the frontman for Nox Arcana, and former producer of Midnight Syndicate. Again, this is the reason for the ban above.

Lobbying to Prevent further investigation into references that relate to Midnight Syndicate album credentials [85]

Wrongful allegations by Skinny McGee against User:Ebonyskye about what was posted. Ebonyskye never posted what Skinny McGee accused (he accused Ebonyskye of saying that Midnight Syndicate "copied" someone). Ebonyskye only defined an album that "inspired" Midnight Syndicate.[86]. The part about the band's being "similar" was already in the article posted by another user.[87]

Skinny McGee also complains of an item referring to his band's former producer [88] however, the post is cited and validated. Skinny McGee also complained that this post qualified as reason to block Ebonyskye. The post was not biased in any way, it was also supported and even lengthened by another user later[89] and remains.

Due to the complaints inaccurately reported to admins by Skinny McGee as something they were not, Ebonyskye was indeed blocked for 48 hours. According to User:Thatcher131 who blocked Ebonyskye, "I am reasonably convinced that Skinny McGee is, or is associated with, Edward Douglas."[90] (Edward Douglas being a member of Midnight Syndicate).

Skinny McGee did NOT notify Ebonyskye of his displeasure of the edits that Ebonyskye made and did not report to Ebonyskye's page anything in regard to the request for block, giving Ebonyskye no opportunity to reply.

Thatcher131 has refused to block Skinny McGee and cites a VERY unstable reason for not unblocking Ebonyskye... that being that an IP is "similar" or in the "vicinity" of another older user. That in addition to Skinny McGee's slanted report against Ebonyskye, conspired to cause an uneccessary block of Ebonyskye.

Ebonyskye requested a review of the block, and it was summarily done (within 09 seconds of the request)[91] which means that no "review" was actually done at all. Thatcher131 exhibited some bias in his refusal to consider this mistake.

I request a punitive temporary block of User:Skinny McGee for 1) breaking his ban as per Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Midnight_Syndicate and 2) causing undo strife and confusion in regard to making false reports. Thanks. Ebonyskye 04:02, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note to interested admins: Be sure to read User_talk:Ebonyskye/Archive1. Thatcher131 04:09, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I edited the link given by Thatcher131 to point to my archived talk page, as it includes a contents directory to make finding my points easier. Ebonyskye 20:51, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I just found out about this, a past Check User report about many alias' of Skinny McGee. Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Skinny_McGee. I'm not sure what it all means but it seems rather suspicious that he would try to lay blame on me for only one edit when he has all this other stuff going on. Ebonyskye 06:26, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That report appears to be from before the arbitration case started. Newyorkbrad 02:09, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't matter when that report was done. I just think is shows a pattern of suspicious behavior that has gone unpunished in the past, and it just seems to be allowed to continue while no one here has even made an attempt to look into the false claims that Skinny McGee made against me. He/she claims I wrote things that I did not write! He/she links to things that were previously posted that I only tweeked a little bit, to make something more concise or to add a date. That kind of thing. Then he/she gets me blocked because the admins looking at the "report" made by Skinny McGee do not bother to actually investigate the links any further back than my edit. I will not let this go. I really want my name cleared and the actual guilty party punished for editing on articles he was previously banned from, and it seems for good reason. Ebonyskye 00:10, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I had previously archived this. I'm restoring from archive because I think that I blew it, and it needs further review. GRBerry 00:45, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As Thatcher131 pointed out on my talkpage, Mr. McGee is probably covered by both remedy #2 and remedy #1. As to remedy #1, there is only one page from which he is banned. For remedy #2, there would be more. I'll take the requestor's bullets in order, as numbered items.

The diff is from before the ArbComm case closed. Not subject to action here.
So innocent (wikilinking an already present proper noun) that it can no way be viewed as editing in a disruptive manner, so not blockable.
Diffs are incorrect, but the history does show two removals, one when unsourced, one when Skinny said the source wasn't working. I don't know if this rises to the level of disruptive editing.
Not disruptive editing unless there are more related diffs. Notifying the original adder of a reference of concerns over reliablity is the least disruptive possible way of addressing an issue.
Diffs are not to McGee's actions.
Ditto.
Not McGee's action, not actionable here. Use established dispute resolution procedures.
No diff.
Not McGee's action, use dispute resolution.
Ditto.

The only thing that I think is worthy of any further consideration is the third bullet. Skinny McGee hasn't touched that article since 18 August, and the content was restored by EbonySkye on that date. I can't see this as worth acting on now; blocks are preventative, not punitive. Thatcher reminded Mr. McGee on 23 August that remedy #2 applies. The only relevant edits I see since then are to Talk:Dungeons & Dragons (album). Remedy #2 explicitly says "It is acceptable to make suggestions on the talk page;". I think that the reminder Thatcher issues has been effective, and no action should be taken. But since I blew it by closing this thread, someone else should make the final call. GRBerry 01:15, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for looking at this again. I still feel that my block was inappropriate and was only done as some sort of retaliation. I prepared a long list if diffs showing how it escalated from only ONE edit I made. But I will post it on my archived talk page rather than junk up this page. I really would like my name cleared and perhaps an apology from those who wrongly acused me but I guess that's never going to happen. Ebonyskye 11:38, 12 September 2007 (UTC). Link to archived page amended today. Ebonyskye 06:43, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

[1] The administrator may indicate consent at any time before, during, or after imposition of the restriction.

[2] This criterion does not apply if the original action was imposed as a result of rough consensus at the arbitration enforcement noticeboard, as there would be no single enforcing administrator.

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