Talk:Winona Ryder

Noni doesn't appear in V For Vendetta and this should be changed

Sorry about replacing your links with IMDB ones - when I tried them yesterday they didn't work 83.104.185.49 10:06, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

first name

How do you pronounce her first name? I can't find this information anywhere. Is it [Wee]-[no]-[nah], [Wye]-[no]-[nah]? --rydel 12:04, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

It's commonly pronounced "wih-NO-nah" or "wye-NO-nah"; I've never heard "wee-". (The syllable breaks may be off because English uses a truly bizarre system for that which I can't bear to master, so read "wi-NON-ah" if you like that better.) The short "i" would be more correct going by the Dakotan origin of the name, but personal names only care about what their bearers say, anyway. Maybe you should ask a resident of Winona; I'd guess it sounds the same. :-) 82.92.119.11 12:41, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I'm a former resident of Winona, Minnesota, which locals pronounce something like "wih-NO-nah" (the first vowel is an unstressed schwa). Pronouncing the first syllable as "why" is taken as a clear marker that the speaker is not native to Winona. As Ryder was not a native Winonan, (I searched the official county birth records myself and can tell you she's not there under any name), this doesn't really tell you how to pronounce her name. Jonathunder 18:30, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

It's definitely wih-NO-nah. I know because I went to school with her, but she actually normally went by the nickname Noni.--68.79.0.21 12:27, 18 May 2006 (UTC)--68.79.0.21 12:27, 18 May 2006 (UTC)--68.79.0.21 12:27, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Gay Icon Project

In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. Philwelch 21:56, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"WASB"??

I've never heard the term ever in my life. Did someone just make it up? Even the Urban Dictionary has no entry for this.--Bash 18:58, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

I changed this to English. -Acjelen 19:39, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

List of thieves

Zondor recently added Ryder to List of thieves, which is in the category Category:Lists of people by occupation. I think it's fairly clear that theft is not her occupation, so one of these ought to be changed. Bovlb 17:54:48, 2005-07-25 (UTC)

Ellis Island

I'd also like to see some evidence for the Ellis Island story. -Acjelen 02:22, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

This article appeared in The Hollywood Reporter, 5 March 1997 [1]. I've seen a JPEG of it but not the original. Conch Shell 08:57, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

The Ellis Island name change story is a common myth. See http://uscis.gov/graphics/aboutus/history/articles/NameEssay.html or http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library/article.aspx?article=3893. Questors 17:56, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

It may be a myth in most cases but Ryder has stated that it is true in this particular one. Bear in mind that her ancestors spoke no English and any identification that they were carrying would have been written in the Cyrillic alphabet. Conch Shell 12:33, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't think the purpose of Wikipedia is to just repeat what people say about themselves if it is not true. Clerks employed at Ellis Island could read and speak the languages of the immigrants, most being immigrants themselves. They also did not pass out slips of paper that told the immigrants their new names, which were meekly accepted and used. Nobody got new names at Ellis Island unless they changed them themselves after they had gone through the admission process. Mind you, I am not saying the name was not changed; I am saying it was not changed by the authorities at Ellis Island. Ryder's ancestors arrived at Ellis Island on Jul 03, 1906 on The Kroonland with the last name of Tomschin. (You can find the record at ellisisland.org. Like all passenger lists, it is not written in the Cyrillic alphabet.). In 1920, the family is listed in the census for Manhattan Assembly District 6, New York, New York, ED 492, page 19A as Horowitz. Questors 22:23, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for looking into this, I don't think Wikipedia should be used to spread urban myths either. However I suspect Winona's claims are true as any ID the Tomchins would have been carrying would have been in the cyrillic alphabet. It's possible the clerks could have spoke Russian though I don't know how likely. Also, according to your link, immigrants tended to anglicize their names. The Tomchins seem to have chosen a completely different Russian one! On balance I think its best to reinstate Winona's claims but make it clear that they are that. Conch Shell 09:48, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

PS - you seem to have traced Winona's family tree back to 1906. It would be a great contribution to the article. Conch Shell 12:31, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure this is the place for that. Rootsweb and various other sites have celebrity genealogies if you are interested. Questors 19:00, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Ellis Island went out of their way to employ people (often recent immigrants) who spoke the languages the new arrivals were speaking. They lined up at the windows according to language. But the bigger point is that they did not hand out names at Ellis Island! That would be like me going to the post office to mail a letter and coming home and telling my family we got a new name. There is just no connection between Ellis Island and new names. I suggest a visit to Ellis Island where you will see how organized it all was, how they catered to the new immigrants, and how the immigrants entered into a community after they arrived. Questors 19:00, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

I'd have thought Ellis Island officials would have at least given out papers to say that immigrants had legally entered the country and that the names on these would have formed the basis of their legal ID. Conch Shell 14:51, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

My grandfather claimed throughout his subsequent life (and it was supported by other relatives) that his given name had been changed from "Ladislav" to "Laddie" when he immigrated at the age of seven, in the standard Ellis Island language-impaired-official legend scenario. As for Ryder, it may not be verifiable to say "Her family's name WAS changed at Ellis Island", but a verifiable statement might be, "She said that her family's name was changed at Ellis Island, in this interview (reference)." 129.97.79.144 21:46, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Girl Interrupted Edit

I just changed the text of the description of Ryder's film "girl Interrupted". In which Angelina Jolie plays not a "psychopath" as it originally states, but rather a "sociopath". Here is my citation:

Plot Summary Spoiler warning: Plot or ending details follow. During her stay, Susanna (Ryder) meets Lisa (Jolie). Lisa proves to be a sexually driven and volatile character. Susanna and Lisa form a tight bond, but later Lisa begins to spin out of control and becomes a traitor to Susanna. Lisa ends up in a bed in restraints, repentant for what she did to Susanna. Susanna also befriends Daisy (Murphy), whose home problems lead to her suicide. Lisa, however, is not so sympathetic to Daisy's problems and never really shows a desire to be friends with her. This is a reflection of Lisa's sociopathy.

[edit] Quote "Lisa thinks she's hot shit cuz she's a sociopath" "We are very rare and we are mostly men" [edit] Related topics

http://psychcentral.com/psypsych/Girl,_Interrupted Lindsey 10:18, 4 Oct 2005

And God Created Noni

It is acceptable to link to certain fan sites, RE:

Fan sites: On articles about topics with many fansites, including a link to one major fansite is appropriate, marking the link as such."

AGCN provides comprehensive information on Winona Ryder's past and present activities, it's also got the largest WR image collection on the web. It was on this page when I first started editing Wikipedia about a year ago and was only recently removed.

Ryder's mother

Someone just corrected her mother's maiden name to "Istas", no doubt from her birth certificate at Rootsweb.com. This is the name I saw there before, too. I think Palmer was her first husband's surname. Anyway, do we really know if her mother is of English descent? "Istas" certainly doesn't sound English and all I've read about Ryder's ancestry is that her father is Jewish (and most articles seemed to imply that her mother isn't), so I'm removing "English descent" unless someone has a good source. Vulturell 01:49, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Redirect for misspelling

It seems to me that many people try to spell her name as "Winona Rider". Would it be helpful to have some kind of redirect so that if people are looking for her by that spelling, it would direct them to the appropriate page? I'm technically incompetent and have no idea how I would go about doing this. Mrplastic 06:59, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Done. Conch Shell 11:36, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Blonde hair

Would someone want to correct the section where it says Ryder's natural blonde hair can be admired in the film Edward Scissorhands? It was extensively mentioned by the actress herself at the time she promoted the movie that she wore a wig! I can provide a cite if needed. 151.205.51.198 23:54, 28 June 2006 (UTC)a Winona fan

Done. Conch Shell 10:28, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

The article states that she had been dying her hair black since childhood, but later says she began dying it after her agent told her to. I've always heard the latter... This should be corrected if somebody can confirm one or the other.

by Wild Mountain Thyme 03:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Tidied Up

Hope no one minds, I just tidied up some of the film summaries and the phrasing, particularly 1986-2000. Cheers, a big Winona fan. -Wikitoddia 23:43, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Best Director

Does she really consider Frances Ford Coppola the "Best Director"? And is that the best director ever, the best director currently alive, or is this even appropriate? It seems for a compliment that generous, there should be some documentation. Anyone? -Wikitoddia 00:12, 4 July 2006 (UTC)00:11, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Scorsese, yes. I've added a source. Cheers. Igorrr 08:59, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Page Hamilton relationship and Winona Ryder impersonators

Where'd you read they dated for three years? The never "officialy" dated, but according to paparazzis (isn't an encyclopedic source to begin with) they only went out for a few weeks or months. Article is protected, could someone be so nice and remove the wrong edit. Thx.

Fixed. Ru4real 08:46, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Their relationship is documented and official. Page Hamilton has mentioned it in interviews. Do not edit my entries without talkback here or at contact christianlloydburrows at yahoo dot com. Wikideditor 08:39, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes it was documented, but they only dated for a while, definitely not three years as you have them. Hamilton was therefore just another of Ryder's flings, not notable enough to be added to this article. Ru4real 17:28, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I asked politely to contact and talk before you vandalized Ryder's profile and called her last relationship "another fling". I have made the decision to waste my time over this issue with you because your reasons for vandalism are suspect.

Further I include here links and quotes where Hamilton mentions the duration of his relationship with Ryder between three to three and a half years

Joe's Podhole interview http://joespodhole.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=124496

Quote from interview with Mark Carras of RockMyMonkey.com

"I'm at that point in my life where I have a little less stress with my home life, because I'm single. I was once married, and I had a girlfriend for the last three and a half years up until May."

I have wasted my time for you looking for images of Ryder and Hamilton together. Photos of them shopping or on dates can be found dated July of 2003, October 2003, March 2004 and April 2006. Approx. time period quoted by Hamilton. Wikideditor 18:01, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Take a deep breath and take your medication. Hopefully those voices in your head that tell you that I'm slandering you will stop and you will be fine. Hopefully. Sorry, but Ryder's name wasn't brought up in both the cited interviews. I also haven't seen pictures of Ryder and Hamilton together for the longest time. He was more than just a fling, but three years is a stretch I think. But I won't revert your edits 'cause it's no big deal to me. Ru4real 18:32, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

You are slandering Ryder by belittling a three year relationship as a fling. How could you not hear Winona Ryder's name in the Podhole interview when everyone else has? I have an email sent to me that says you have been impersonating Winona Ryder on several sites because she wouldn't sleep with you. Is that why you don't want the three year Hamilton relationship on Wikipedia because you told people online another story as you acted as Winona Ryder? Is that you or someone else? If it isn't you what do you think about it as you did remove references to it in the main article by anonymous contributors? Wikideditor 16:17, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

She wouldn't sleep with me? I acted as Ryder? What? You are weird, you know that? I removed the edit because some weirdo with a myspace account is completely unencyclopedic and nonessential to Ryder. I wasn't the only editor who thought so as the article even got protected to prevent the anonymous contributor from adding their unencyclopedic edit. Ru4real 03:00, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Insulting me (again). I did say an email claimed you, RU4real, had previously impersonated Winona Ryder on the-soap.com's message boards under the pseudonym 'meforreal'. It's pretty easy to theorize that when your nicknames are similar. I will ask some questions and ask you to answer all of them.

1) Are you meforreal? 2) Why is it that you appeared for the first time on the 16 October to edit out references to a Winona Ryder impersonator on MySpace within minutes of those additions which came from a single user using multiple connections and proxies? 3)The same additions came in from other proxies on the 17 October and again you appeared very shortly after to remove them. Are you psychic? 4) Why did you blatantly and purposefully ignored Page Hamilton's references to her in the links above? 5) Why is it that with your encyclopedic knowledge of Winona Ryder you said Page Hamilton was "another quick fling" when every Ryder fan knows they were dating for three years? 6)What was the purpose for deleting my additions more than once when they were grounded in factual knowledge?

Answer all those questions without ignoring any. Wikideditor 16:25, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Meforreal? What? I don't claim to have encyclopedic knowledge of Ryder, I wouldn't want to. However, I do know that said edit was not essential to Ryder hence I and other editors removed it. Goodbye Ru4real 16:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

You're so quick to reply (must live here) and quicker at running away with questions unanswered! Come back and answer all questions above please. Wikideditor 17:00, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

the user named Ru4real is the impersonator of winona ryder as mentioned on the imdb and also on this page. Ru4real lives in tennessee and operates from ip address XX. Ru4real is a very very good liar and is very very evasive. this person is also 'meforreal' on soap. Ru4real is being watched by authorities on myspace and imdb and here to insure that there is no danger to winona.

You were the person who told us on IMdB. How did you find out? Send all your evidence to christianlloydburrows[at]yahoo.com Wikideditor 15:38, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Don't impersonate Noni in myspace, that's not nice. I just got through taking out the hugest Angelina Jolie impersonator in myspace, [http://www.myspace.com/angelina_jolie75 in September. That was a sinch. But I didn't take out its counterpart, [http://www.myspace.com/brad_pitt63 , for my own reasons. 68.123.234.43 10:03, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Take a look at the myspace impersonator at http://www.myspace.com/118711933 and http://www.myspace.com/winona_gone_shopping Wikideditor 15:38, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, there are some more. There are not that many compared to Angie or Brad etc. and a big celeb is always going to have some impersonators in myspace unless they take action themselves... if they care. I'm pretty sure they are aware that they are being impersonated though they probably have not seen the specific profiles. 68.123.234.43 03:30, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, 68.123.234.43, for removing the reference to the myspace member. It is not prudent to publish that information here as it could incite the person in question to behave more irrational than they already are. When you come across such people e-mail your information to any member of staff at Thruline Entertainment who manage Winona Ryder.

Fo sho. Sorry about bringing all the drama. Felt like notifying someone. I'm usually into more light-hearted fare, this isn't my field. 69.106.207.205 15:52, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

69.106.207.205, you're this person http://www.myspace.com/winona_gone_shopping so stop the bull.

If this person http://www.myspace.com/118711933 is Winona then I'm disgusted by her personality and responses and hope never to see her face or hear her name again. It would make her an awful human being Lefttodiealone 21:21, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Cool! Can we get some more Winona Ryder impersonators to post on this talk page? I wanna meet 'em all. They are adorable. I wanna date one of them. It would be fucking surreal if we can gather them all on here. If we can also muster [http://www.myspace.com/w_sunshine , [http://www.myspace.com/anonymouslywinona , and that old vet,[http://www.myspace.com/wryder , we can make some fucking Wikipedia history. Maybe the story will get picked up by a British tabloid. 69.111.14.76 03:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

.....and they all fell down Wikideditor 11:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Missing picture

The english and most of the international pages about wynona have no picture in the top right bio box.

The Esperanto version of the page has a nice one that could be used, but I'd like someone who understands Esperanto to check if the licence is ok. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 131.114.251.35 (talk) 21:47, 25 January 2007 (UTC).

It's kind of silly that someone this famous is without a picture. How about temporarily we just use the 'How to make an american quilt' DVD cover ??

Joelittlejohn 16:33, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

"WRNC" site appears to be a fan blog

The "winona ryder news channel" appears to be a glorified blog. It's also not originated by Winona. Prove me wrong, but this appears to be a sketchy case of not meeting WP:EL WP:RS etc. Site contact is a hotmail address. Piperdown 03:07, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Complete rewrite (May 2007); possible GA or FA status

I have completly re-writen the article. I beleive it is close to receiving a GA or FA status, maybe an expansion on the personal life section. Any comments and suggestions would be very helpful. Angel2001 13:54, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

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Early life and education needs reference

Almost the whole Early life and education part is based on trivia from TV.com while these trivia seems to be editable by everyone and therefor aren't good sources of information. There should be better ones... Greetings, --Konsumkind 17:30, 22 September 2007 (UTC)