Talk:Zac Efron

Breaking Free

Akon and Eminem did beat "Breaking Free"'s record, but it was most recently broken by Beyonce and Shakira's "Beautiful Liar".

Efron's Official Website

Pardon me, but what exactly is Efron's official website? zefron.com seems like the most likely one; they claim to be in contact with Efron...however, that makes it seem that the website is a fan site rather than Efron's own. BBCOFFEECAT 02:58, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Are you asking for your own personal interests, or because you feel it is relevant to the 'discussion' of Zac's Wikipedia page? If it's the latter, Zefron.com is a fansite. Zac and the webmaster seem to talk sometimes. But as of now, I don't think Zac has an 'official' website. Dh993 20:33, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

www.myspace.com/zacefron —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.214.219.222 (talk) 22:56, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, because some people seem to be referring to Zac Efron's official site', I wondered if he actually had one. BBCOFFEECAT 22:00, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Picture

Can we get a picture back? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guest912 (talk • contribs)

We want an image that is freely usable, which every image so far uploaded of Efron is not. We cannot simply use a random image off a website as they will have restrictions on their usage. Evil Monkey - Hello 03:08, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

This image is being used in the article Nikki Blonsky to show what she looks like. Could it be used in this article to depict Zac Efon as well? I know it might not be the best image to use to show what he looks like, but an okay picture is better than no picture at all. —Mears man (talk) 04:59, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

No, absolutely not. And it shouldn't have been used in the article on Nikki Blonsky either. Once again, please see WP:IUP. We may not use a fair-use image solely to depict a living person. --Yamla (talk) 05:05, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for clearing that up. To be honest I wasn't sure if it was supposed to be able to be used in that article either, but I thought I'd check here just to make sure. —Mears man (talk) 05:08, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Filmography

Wasnt him being in "Footloose" just a rumor? Danielh8675 17:25, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Look up a Pup Named Scooby Doo: Major Motion Picture he's on the cast so you can add that under filmography. Thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.74.168.207 (talk) 17:05, August 23, 2007 (UTC)

Don't bother, it's a hoax. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A Pup Named Scooby-Doo: The Motion Picture --NrDg 02:07, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Picture

Can we get a picture?PeachGal 04:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I found this one; Image:Zac-1.jpg, uploaded by User:Chirchona, but I don't think at it's a non-copyrigthed picture, if it is, we might have more young female visitors on Wikipedia in the future... Pardy 08:42, 13 February 2007 (UTC).

That's not even him, much less a free picture... :-) Mad Jack 17:14, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

We have his free picture on Polish wikipedia. Can you put it here? Here is the link: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Efron_zac_01sci.jpg User:krisofis 10:16, 19 July 2007

I checked the Commons, and this image has since been deleted as being non-free and thus not eligible for inclusion there. --Ssbohio 05:53, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

can we have a picture for zac efron? his page seems so boring..please and thank you--Miquah 10:50, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Probably not. Unless someone here can take a picture of him themselves, b/c that's about the only way it's gonna happen, unfortunately. -Ebyabe 14:31, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

There are a lot of pictures here, although whether or not they were actually taken by the users is another question. Dh993 19:12, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Not a single one of those images is marked as freely-licensed, thus none of them are suitable for this article to depict Efron. Please see WP:FU. --Yamla 19:19, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Please can we put up a picture quickly; he is a big star - CS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.189.38.61 (talk) 15:12, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Uh, is that really him?? It looks so... not like him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daydreamer198 (talk • contribs) 09:29, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that's not him...unless the pictures of him on Charismatic and Z-Efron are outdated...I will look into it. -Sukecchi 10:11, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

It has been looked into. That is Chace Crawford. -Sukecchi 11:08, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Deletion

This page was unsuccessfully nominated for deletion. See Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Zac Efron for a record. Postdlf 22:50, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Some claims about the religion of Mr Efron's family are disputed and unsourced. They are erased for want of a reputable source, see Wikipedia:Citing sources. David.Monniaux 16:03, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

No, Mr. Efron is definitely of Jewish descent. I don't think he is a practicing Jew, but he is partially of Jewish ethnic heritage. I knew him personally circa 2001/2002

Zac is from a jewish family although he is a Christian follower.

The article now reads: "Although of Jewish ancestry, Efron was raised in an agnostic household.[7]" Awkwardly put. Since when did being agnostic have anything to do with whether or not a person (or his family) is Jewish? In any case, somebody (above) claims he is "a Christian follower." Also an awkward construction. Did he convert to Christianity from being Jewish and agnostic? If so, then say so. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PrinceHal (talk • contribs).

You're right that there isn't really a conflict between being Jewish and being Agnostic, so the word "although" should probably be removed. He isn't a Christian believer, however - he is still an Agnostic.[1] Mad Jack 19:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

Anyone care to say why the current event tag is on this page?--Alhutch 05:15, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

I am tired of continually reverting lovesick teenyboppers, so I've put a brief comment to the effect that they will be reverted. If anyone thinks this is inappropriate, please feel free to remove it. Makemi 23:40, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

it's entirely appropriate, thanks for doing it. too much of that going on with this article lately.--Alhutch 23:48, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I've never heard of Zac Efron outside of the weird world of Wikipedia. Anyone want to explain why this page should be the subject of so much vandalism?

Furthermore, is it worth implementing some protection for the page? --Dweller 09:06, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Generic "hot" teenage celebrity, teenage girls love to cuddle with his article, teenage boys love to vandalise it because all the girls are obsessed with him, it's as simple as that, it seems to be on a few watchlists for this reason, so there's no reason to protect it. -Obli (Talk)^? 09:18, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Then why can't I edit it? -Jflash 03:36, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Reply to above (the girls being obsessed): Ummm, that was...uh, weird. Actually, I never got introduced until Regis Philbin and Kelly Ripa introduced him. Then, with fast-access DSL, I typed his name into the Wikipedia search box.

This thing has been hardcore vadalized

As much as I HATE vandalism, I HATE it when Zac Efron is a subject to Jeff Hardy and Bam Margera followers (I have really got to stop talking like Law & Order: SVU detective Elliot Stabler and editing like a cop), i.e. the "teenage boys" Obli was talking about who commit vandalism on this page. Shouldn't there be a lock on this page that prevents anonymous or new users from editing this page? This sounds like a good idea, just to let you know.

--D.F. Williams 04:04, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Semiprotection

This article has been fully protected for a week and a half, nominally because of vandalism. I'm switching to semiprotection so that it can be edited by (logged-in) non-administrators. --Tony Sidaway 01:15, 21 July 2006 (UTC) ’ to this talkpage. But I can rest assured that several dedicated vandal fighters have this on their watchlist. ~ c. tales *talk* 02:10, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

• For an example of such, see Talk:Jesse McCartney. ~ c. tales *talk* 04:08, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

It says that it is semi-protected but instead of view source it says edit and it is still being able to be edited by ips.--74.133.52.253 00:20, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Indeed it seems to have been unprotected, I; m removing the notice. ~ c. tales *talk* 04:08, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

oops, already removed by Jossi. ~ c. tales *talk* 04:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Protection must stay, or I'll be too tempted. :) 219.88.216.117 03:49, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Some of the edits are ruining sources

I would just like to call to attention that one of the edits made affected the reliability of a source. Let me make myself more clear:

• The edit in [2] shows that Zac Efron born in 1962.
• The real birthday is in 1987.
• Luckily, the change was made by Spuddy 17 here.

In my opinion, we have to take a closer look at every single edit that goes on. Even though it may not look like vandalism, the info would really ruin our sources.

um someone said that his birthday was in 1773 someone needs to change it be cause i dont know how

Songs

zac efron sang in high school musical 1&2 and it was his really voice. in hairspray it was also his really vocie.HE IS SO HOT I LUV U ZAC

Actually in High School Muiscal Andrew Seeley's voice was blended with Zac since he was having puberty problems. In High School Musical 2 and Hairspray he sang with his own voice!

Religion

At this time we do not know what religion he practices. He is fully jewish. Yes there is such a thing. I am one.

All referencers to his religion have been removed per the subject (and his father's) requests. Do not re-add the information. Cbrown1023 talk 21:04, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Of course, anything for Zac-sama...although, where was this request made? -Sukecchi 21:50, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Cbrown, how was this request made and how was it verified? Also, there is probably alot of material folks do not want added to their bios but it is still included. As long as it is properly sourced, it should probably be included. Anyways,--Tom 23:02, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

It was made on OTRS, and it was not properly sourced. You must realize that certain things go above your head. Cbrown1023 talk 23:32, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm also going to weigh in here to warn that the information *must not* be readded with consulting with a member of the OTRS team. I can also verify that Cbrown has correctly handled the ticket, and vouch for the existence of an email from the subject's parents in our system. Martinp23 00:01, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Martin, I am actually new to the whole WIKI OTRS system. Who has access to it? Who can view it? Again, if this material was not properly sourced in the first place, it should have been removed regardless of the subjects's(or his parents) request. Anyways, thanks! --Tom 00:07, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

It *was* removed previously solely because it was unsourced and untrue. However, people continued to re-add it and Mr. Efron started e-mailing us about it. OTRS is the way Wikipedia (and the Wikimedia Foundation and its projects) get e-mail. A list of the people with accounts can be found on m:OTRS/personnel. The people with accounts have access to and can view/reply to the mails sent there. Cbrown1023 talk 00:17, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

A new article/interview with Zac at the Philadelphia Jewish Exponent states that he is Jewish http://www.jewishexponent.com/article/13651/

I removed the ethnicity per above. Hope this was ok, thanks, --Tom 15:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure if there's a consensus reached or not - a discussion was going on below (see section "Need for Picture and Contact via ORTS") Mad Jack 17:01, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey MadJack, I think his ethnicity was removed by an Admin based on an ORTS ticket and it was asked that it not be added back. I personally have no problem with the material as long as its properly sourced, relevant, and it "fits" with the rest of the article. Pretty much standard stuff. Anyways, I will not revert again but defer to others. Cheers and nice to see you :) - --Tom 18:09, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

The latest addition of it seems neutral enough, and cites the Rolling Stone article. I can't see how Efron could object to that. If he didn't want people to know about it, it wouldn't have been included in the Rolling Stone article in the first place, would it? Just my two pence. :) -Ebyabe 22:13, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the Rolling Stone article only mention his Agnosticism - not his Jewishness. But, Efron's official site does mention his Jewish ancetry, so, your (Ebyabe) point is still valid. (see the section below for all the sources ("Need for Picture and Contact via ORTS") Mad Jack 23:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Zac Efron's Height

Zac Efron is 5'11.

I heard zac is 5-4

thats wat they say. wth where'd u get 5'11?! he's actually 5'6. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.154.35.243 (talk) 03:02, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

This is why we require verification from a reliable source. --Yamla 15:37, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Drunk Driving

Does anyone have a source for this edit? It is disputed as a rumor on various sites online. I have searched numerous search engines and cannot find any articles or references to this being true. I have found several sites that reference a character he played on NCIS being arrested for DUI and posession of an open container, this was a character, not the actor. It is verifiable that he was in an episode (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0657990/), but I have not been able to find a good synopsis to verify storyline. I would remove the quote as speculation till solid evidence can be found one way or the other.

Jhathcock 06:18, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it's just vandalism...-Sukecchi 12:27, 9 January 2007 (UTC)bob marely is cool

I remember seeing that episode. Zac starred as a teenage boy who buys a stolen cellphone that belongs to a missing woman. The NCIS team is able to track the cell phone, and Zac's character and his friend are caught drinking bear and talking to Zac's character's girlfriend. They are taken back to NCIS headquarters and Tony gets the name and phone number of the person who sold Zac's character the stolen cellphone

why was it taken out?

why was the information about drew seely singing for him on the high schoool musical songs removed?PrincessOfHearts 14:09, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

It shouldn't have been. Are you sure its not in there? --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 20:16, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

i looked over the article and i don't see any info about it. nevermind, i see it now. it wasn't there yesterday.

Drew Seeley(Took Zac's part in HSM) did nto Sing for Zac in the HSM movie/CD. They just blended his voice.Hollister QT 20:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Picture

• would you mind putting a picture for him in the article, please ? --Sport woman 16:21, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

If you can find one that is freely licensed, we would be quite happy to do so. All the images we've found so far violate WP:FU. --Yamla 16:22, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

• i find one that cover of the magazine [3] --Sport woman 16:51, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

No, as I already mentioned, we are only permitted to use freely licensed images which do not violate WP:FU. --Yamla 17:01, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

i really think zac is cool and i tottaly think a picture is needed-71.38.236.253 22:16, 7 April 2007 (UTC)jes

We have his free picture on Polish wikipedia. Can you put it here? Here is the link: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Efron_zac_01sci.jpg User:krisofis 10:16, 19 July 2007

No. The uploader of that image has been caught repeatedly making fraudulent copyright claims. This, too, looks to be a fraudulent claim. --Yamla 14:38, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

What about a snapshot from HSM (are movies snapshots legal)? If they are allowed and u need one i can provide it (but there are probably a whole bunch of other people who could provide them too).--JG ROX 121.216.101.15 06:53, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Vanessa Hudgens "Say Ok"

On the chart, where it says, "Vanessa Hudgens Say Ok" it says he's some randomn guy! He was not, he was VH's love interest in the music video.Happykid536 04:47, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Vanessa Hudgens and Zac Efron broke up in September 2007 after Vanessa's nude scandle picture surrounding the internet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.93.16.232 (talk) 19:39, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I was just going to talk about that video, but it's not listed. I remember the video, and he was Vanessa's love interest. But how do I add that to the chart? Abcw12 00:37, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Never mind. I added it to the list. Abcw12 00:44, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Word Change

I say that we change "going out" to dating, it seems more professional—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.30.184.253 (talk) 01:55, 12 May 2007 (UTC).

ZAC and VANESSA are the ones dating...check this website to find out more :www.zanessa.org the going out thing is just part of the promotion of hairsrpray..so i guess we should change it—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Miquah (talk • contribs) 01:55, 12 May 2007 (UTC).

This article cites a recently published article by a neutral and viable source stating that Efron and Blonsky are dating. On the other hand, the website you have mentioned is a fan site with a blatently vested interest in presenting Zac Efron and Vanessa Hudgens as a couple. Personally, I would consider the source stating that he's now with Blonsky to be much more reliable.—Mears man 16:51, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

what website did you see that? mearsman? i dont care if you disagree but its my OWN opinion,,and to tell you...yup,it is..and it's proven to be true..on the interview at a show i think it was at goodmorning america.they CONFIRMED it..and its official it think we should take consideration of this..mearsman.not just by you but all those wikipedia users..--Miquah 10:41, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Here's the source that states that Efron and Blonsky are in a dating relationship: http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272615140.shtm It was cited in this article at the time of my previous post, but was later removed. Since the article in question was published, however, the publisher has called into question whether this relationship exists or if he's still with Hudgens. Currently, we're discussing how to include this information (and what should be included) below under the heading Relationship Status. Feel free to contribute to the discussion. —Mears man 17:54, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

No Picture?

Hi

Is it possible to get a picture from another site? He's a popular actor, there should be a picture somewhere! I've googled his name and there are a LOT of pictures.

Happykid536 09:55, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but how many of those are freely-released for us to use no questions asked? Metros 11:15, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

As i said on the above mention of there being no picture, would a snapshot from HSM suffice?==JG ROX121.216.101.15 06:57, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

No, absolutely not. See WP:FU. --Yamla 14:19, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Get one off flickr.com yout twits. 219.89.240.102 06:35, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

We would if there was one that was freely usable. Almost every image of Efron is all rights reserved and the one that does allow commercial use does not allow derivatives. Evil Monkey - Hello 01:47, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

We Should Edit This Page!

There's Two Thing That Are Wrong So Take The Veiw Source Off.Number One:The Replacments is wrong cause when you click on it it shows and band and it's supposed to be The Replacements (TV series).The Second Thing I'm Not Much Of A Barney & Friends Fan but he was In The Show As A Kid Called Carmus.So SomeOne Should Fix That.

Unprotected, you are free to edit now. Please ensure you use proper spelling and grammar, though, rather than capitalising random words as you did here. Thanks! --Yamla 15:47, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, that was a waste of effort The article was targeted with an unrelenting stream of vandalism. I've reprotected it for a month. I doubt things will be any better then, mind you. --Yamla 03:42, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Singles

Why do the singles list his singles as "Get'cha Head in the Game", "Stick to the Status Quo", "We're All in this Together" and "What I've Been Looking For (Reprise)" when he didn't even sing the vocals in these songs? I know he sang abit in "Breaking Free" and "Start of something new" and so these should be listed but the others should deffinately not. We know his voice wasn't "Mixed" with the other guys voice in any of these songs so I am going to go ahead and delete them if nobody objects by the end of the weekend.

Um, do you have refereces to back up those claims? Cbrown1023 talk 18:06, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Need for Picture and Contact via ORTS

Given there is a desire and need for an image, understanding the need for it to be free, and a recent discussion about an OTRS contact by the subject and his father regarding the religious issue, why not combine the two. What I mean is why not have someone with access to ORTS request an image from the source. --Jordan 1972 20:40, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

That's not really the best course of action. OTRS is not used to solicit images. "We'll help you if you provide an image of your son..." Cbrown1023 talk 20:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I can appreciate the concern. It was not ment as a tit for tat proposition, the info had already been removed because of WP:BLP and also per the OTRS request. Given the OTRS contact to begin with, the subject and family must have *at least* a passing desire to see a good article, which would include an image. I will defer to your OTRS expertise; plus, if "someone" is reviewing this page, perhaps they will supply a picutre without being asked. :-) --Jordan 1972 21:50, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Hang on, can I just clarify this for a moment. We have a source, specifically stating that Zac Efron is Jewish, but we're not allowed to add it because Zac's father contacted OTRS and complained that we mustn't mention his religion? Have I got that right? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 12:00, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

He asked, he didn't complain and say that we "mustn't". People were abusing the whole thing and no one could find a nice, true, and neutral way to say it. We do not have any doubt that he is of Jewish ancestry, but is that really necessary information in an encyclopedia article? Cbrown1023 talk 20:42, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, yes, one's formative influences and background are extremely important. If I were to ever have an article, I would fully expect my Irish ancestry to be mentioned, not because I have ever been involved in my Irish family in any way, but the very fact that I know I am Irish influences the way I look upon the world. I am saddenned that people have been abusing his article though. What about saying in "Early life" something like, "Although of Jewish descent, Efron was raised in an agnostic household"? We could integrate it with that bit about beinga kiddle class family and reference it with the stuff listed below. WOuld this be ok with Zac's dad? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 22:07, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

It could be mentioned in "personal life", a section that at this moment seems very, very thin (and perhaps should be removed altogether at the moment, as it houses only one piece of information that could probably just be moved to personal life). But I agree with Dev920, if Efron's own official site has no problem mentioning this information then it's hard to see what the problem is. Noting celebrity ethnicity is a fairly common practice, i.e. Leonardo DiCaprio, Imelda Staunton, George Clooney and Zachary Quinto as four fairly random examples. Mad Jack 16:45, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Even Efron's official site mentions that Efron is of Jewish descent[4] (so did the Elle article [5]). The recent lengthy Rolling Stone article/interview mentions that he had an agnostic upbringing [6] (there was a source that mentioned that beforehand [7]). Both of these facts are clearly backed by WP:RS. Mad Jack 16:56, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

So, does anyone have anything to say about the personal life section? Should we merge it into Early life? Expand it, etc.? Also, is there any consensus about the main issue discussed in this topic? Mad Jack 08:10, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I did add a thing. It's neutral, it's sourced, and if Zac's father contacts again to complain I'm sure we can come to an arrangement, no? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 08:47, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Relationship Status

Information regarding Efron's current relationship status has been constantly added and removed over the past day or so, with it recently being removed because "We don't list who people are dating." Personally, I believe there is no reason to remove this information from the article. All the statements made are properly sourced, and, to the best of my knowledge, there is no Wikipedia policy preventing people from listing the relationship status of individuals, assuming the information presented is verifiable. On the contrary, I thought one of the goals of Wikipedia was to become one of the most extensive encyclopedias ever compiled, and all editors are encouraged to be bold. Just because something hasn't usually been done a particular way in the past or certain information hasn't been presented doesn't necessarily mean that things shouldn't be done that way or that the information should be left out of the article. In addition, I think that many people would be interested in the relationship status of notable individuals (whether they be married, engaged, dating, or single), and I know that it's always one of the first things I like to know about a person. —Mears man 07:11, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I concur that who someone is in a relationship with is important and should always be added (and for that person who wrote in an edit summary we should only add people when they are married to the subject is ridiculous - Hugh Hefner currently has three verifiable girlfriends, but should we completely ignore that fact because he never got around to divorcing his wife when they split in 1999? However, the sources that are currently being used are awful. The current rumours about Zac and Nikki Blonsky are similar to the ones that swirl around Jake Gyllenhaal and Reese Witherspoon, ie, the two are seen toegther somewhere and suddendly they're looking at engagment rings. I absolutely agree that we should mention who he in a relationship, but claiming that he is with Nikki on the flimiest of sources is not on. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 11:18, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

The one with Hudgens should probably be mentioned. That one has definitely been backed by WP:RS (well, an interview or two with Zac himself). The Blonsky one has only been published by a tabloid and its copycats, and thus probably does not even pass the thresholds of notability. Mad Jack 16:46, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm following the examples set on Hudgens' article. I ask the user who removed it (Yamla) why he removed it and here is his reply...

"This would fall under WP:NOT (not an indiscriminate collection of information). Certainly if there's a consensus on the talk page that this information is notable then it should be added. Also, if a reliable citation (WP:RS, WP:CITE) can be found indicating that this is notable, it should be added. However, it is hard to believe that anyone will care in ten years' time. --Yamla 17:46, 12 August 2007 (UTC)"

I don't see why a person dating another person is particularly notable, people break up and date new people every week. We're an encyclopedia not a tabloid. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 17:53, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

To me, though, the thing is that he's not just dating some other person, but one of his co-stars (either Hudgens or Blonsky, depending on the source), and to me that seems notable, as I'm sure a relationship like that would affect one's acting career. If it were just some random girl that nobody had ever heard of and tabloids were the only source we had I can understand why it would be left out, but this just seems different to me. Also, I thought I would say that I can understand why the part about Blonsky may need to be left out, at least until it's mentioned in a more reliable source or Efron or Blonsky comment on the relationship, but if they are truly dating I think it is something that should be mentioned. —Mears man 18:21, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Co-stars are often seen "dating" to add publicity to their movies and such. I don't see why him dating a co-star is going to matter a year from now, or a month from now at that unless the actually get married or engaged. Dating won't affect his career, marriage may though. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 18:50, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Applying some "ten year rule" is patently ridiculous. When people look up Zac's article they want to know who he's dating now. One fo the advantages of Wikipedia is that we are constantly updating articles with information as we get it. You seem to be conflating a person's relationship history with rumours and hearsay, which are emphatically not the same thing. Allow me to take Jake once more as an example: he once dated Jenny Lewis, we have a source, it went in, even though it only lasted like, a year. Reese and him? No decent sources, itdoesn't go in. When people look up a person's article, they want information, and we should give it to them, not decide, "Oh, well, he not married her yet, it can't possibly be informational". If there's a serious thing about Hudgens, put it in, if there isn't about Blonsky, don't. But don't make some kind of argument that every piece of information we put in has to have direct bearing on his career, because that doesn't constitute a biography and isn't what people are after anyway. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 20:15, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I think that vanessa should be the one because on some recent interviews they said that they're oficcially dating.there are a lot of web that tells about that. and also, it is shown through their pictures by tha paparazzi. but if you could show more news about zac and nikki dating, i can believe in you but right now im not that convince about it because recently news are on "zac and vanessA" and the spotlights is theirs. a lot of poeple have already sa wthe interviews in tv or in magazaines. and i thnik it is reliable enough to say that vanessa and zac are dating. if you disagree with this. we can discuss more about this matter. --Miquah 11:02, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

For the moment, I would agree with listing Hudgens and leaving out the information about Blonsky. It's just too hard to find sources supporting their relationship, and the one that was originally cited in this article has now taken back it's statements. I'm not sure, but I saw that there were some clips on YouTube where the Hairspray cast was on a talk show and Efron kissed Blonsky, and I think that could have been what started the rumors about their relationship (at this point I'm assuming that the relationship was merely a rumor). Still, should more information turn up supporting the idea of Efron and Blonsky in a relationship, the article should be changed accordingly. —Mears man 14:41, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

i think we should just leave with vanessa and zac going out because nikki and zac dont have proof that they went out—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Smilez123 (talk • contribs) 01:41, 15 August 2007 (UTC).

i also saw that interview after that these words came to zac's mouth "oh no, im dead" something like that which he might have said that vanessa would be angry because of that. and according to the article about that news, that the kissing thing was just a part of their promotion and fun. there are no more news about nikki and zac after the hairspray thing. so i gueess we should leave it as zac is officially dating vanessa hudgens.if certain news would come out then we could consider nikki but there are no news but yet some are wondering if zac efron is gay or maybe bisexual because neighbors to his apartment say that some nights corbin bleu comes to see his "friend" late at night and doesn't leave until the next day but while during corbin's vist apartment neighbors are saying there is moning and growning comeing from efron's apartment. yet other nights neighbors see cody linley entering efron's apartment yet doing the same thing as corbin bleu with the moning and growning all night and one neighbor said one morning she saw efron and linley lip locking infront of the apartment door yet going back in for some more "fun" leaving very late that night. neighbors are wondering if there is some gay sex going on or what but they want an end to it asap! --Miquah 07:56, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

these websites are proof that vanessa and zac are dating.. http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272615246.shtml http://www.splashnewsonline.com/2007/08/03/zac-effron-and-vanessa-hudgens-shop-in-soho/ http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272615285.shtml http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272615298.shtml http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272615308.shtml http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272615246.shtml .--Miquah 08:17, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't able to take a look at all of those websites you listed (my internet connection is just too slow here), but hopefully somebody else will be able to look through them and see if they're citable or not. Either way, I agree that the stuff about the relationship with Blonsky should be left out of the article for the time being. There just isn't enough supporting it. —Mears man 17:52, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Ugh im gonna sum this up... The main arguement against Efron is that its part of WP:NOT#INFO then WP:NOT#NEWS. But the WP:CON is pointing out the THE USERS of the site which its for want to know this.. Crazy tweens are going to want to know this information as will with trivia.. i have seen this information disappear and Reappear.. there are many citied souces for Zannesa(ugh) While i havent found any conclusive ones for Blansky/Efron WP:N prevented this article from being deleted so why is this not Notable, Its cited,wanted and relavant... this has alot of heated debate on this issue because many people who edit wikipedia are in there teens. So i think that its definatly worthwile to put information on Zannesa. And its not news which is the main reason from WP:NOT#NEWS its not in the news its sited from direct interviews, Photo of them shopping in hawaii which im currently trying to find and see if i can get it under GND. This is what i feel the consensus is._____.:!Ninja!:._____ 20:54, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I think the Efron/Hudgens relationship is notable enough material, because several sources say they have been dating for the past two years. With the so called Efron/Blonsky relationship, there are many facts that seem to be fake in such reports. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Steph1121 (talk • contribs) 06:54:14, August 19, 2007 (UTC).

Those websites don't really "prove" they're dating. It's never been OFFICIALLY confirmed, there's only been slight hints and rumors in the media. Dh993 15:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Expired Reference

I just noticed that the second reference in the article, Zac Efron Joins Cast of 'Hairspray', can no longer be found. This is the first time I've ever really come across a dead link that was used as a source, so I'm not really sure what to do about it, but I know I'm not supposed to remove it. Could someone help with this, or possibly find another source that could be used in this one's place? —Mears man 18:56, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Dating

It states on the Vanessa Hudgens article she is dating him. I didn't see this in the article, and if they're dating they might as well have the same info put up. But I can't do that. --LifeloverElena 17:01, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Not anymore, it's been removed so it matches this one. When the appropriate verifiable sources are included, then the information will be able to stay in both articles. -Ebyabe 19:27, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes! Someone reposted it and it has been cited and sourced. --LifeloverElena 21:39, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

The source provided didn't confirm they were dating. The article implies that they are, but no where does Zac confirm that they are in that quote. Without the proper context from the Rolling Stone interview, there is no knowing if they are actually dating based on the segment in the National Ledger article. Metros 21:44, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272615246.shtml this source confirms they were dating mess with it one more time and i goto another admin for full protection_____.:!Ninja!:._____ 21:57, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

The article states they're dating, yes...but Zac never confirms it. It's a gossip column which is not a reliable source. I mean have you read the article? It's all coming from "an insider." Quotes from "an insider" do not even come close to being reliable sources. Metros 22:00, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

http://www.splashnewsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/splashnews_macny030807a_01.jpg, "Our houses were all lined up in a row. I was on the end, with Vanessa [Hudgens] next door. The best part is that we had maid service, so my room was always clean." http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272615259.shtml

http://www.onetruemedia.com/otm_site/view_shared?p=35a22fc99d04d8f230e449&source=category&category_id=22

This enough proof for u? Ive now read three different articles there is some speculation but Za does quote they "Clicked, I think its enough proof but ill look for more... Sorry bought my rash statement eairlier. _____.:!Ninja!:._____ 22:07, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Um, no it's not enough proof. You show me a photo of them walking together which means they're dating? You show me other pictures of them together and say that's proof? They had hotel rooms next to each other and that's proof? No, that's speculation. It's also original research and is not backed up by reliable sources. Metros 01:25, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Original research means i asked him myself... this is just compiling articles which make a deinitive state ment.. im current talking to Vannessa hudgens with her drect email.. Yes im sure its her as her offical myspace gave it to me after i was metoned this situation but she and zack are private with there relashinship... there is no Question of notabilty WP:N and just because there private about there personal life doesnt mean that its not true.. ive given a direct quote saying they "Clicked as soon as they were put together at the audition" and he also says that they "dont have an exact quote and i hate digging through my sources again.." but its about them clicking in there relashinship to.. Im 100% convinced there dating.. Your not even a Rouge admin.. thats whod id expect to argue with here WP:ROUGE it is wiki policy to get a direct quote but i sure the consensus WP:CON would agree that enough indirect sources along with some Direct implications is enough evidence... Im working on gettng a quote from Vanessa but just because someone is private about there personal life doesnt mean information about them isnt Notable and Provable... _____.:!Ninja!:._____ 07:51, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Look, to put it bluntly, the links you are producing are to trash. The serious papers who actually asked them about their relationship have got non-committal answers - they're either dating and they don't want people to know, or they're drumming up publicity by letting the rumours fly. Either way, we have no reliable source, and we're probably not going to get one for a while. See [8] and [9] for both of them refusing to comment. Now, personally, I find it fairly likely they're dating in view of the picture here, but until we get a reliable source, WE SHOULD NOT MENTION IT IN THE ARTICLE. If Zac's father is watching this article as he appears to be, then OTRS will probably get another call a few days after we put it up. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 08:48, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Original research doesn't mean you're talking to them; original research means that you're looking at the photos of them or reading the quotes that they say and come to the conclusion that they're dating based on that. You show me photos of them walking together and say they're dating based on the fact they're walking together. You show me an article that says they had hotel rooms next to each other and say they're dating based on that. That's original research. Metros 10:30, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

What are you talking about? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 20:56, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

(unindent)What do you mean? I'm talking about Matthew2c4u's complaints. Metros 21:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

zac/vanessa split rumors

there are rampant rumors recently that theyve split UPDATE: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/entertainment/2007-09/20/content_6122017.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.128.74.254 (talk) 00:03, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

By rampant you mean that all the news organizations are picking up on the one story from OK! Magazine. I've reworded what was added so as to read that they are still dating. Wikipedia is not a gossip column. The fact that they were dating was not added until it was confirmed by Hudgens so we shouldn't change it until it is confirmed that they are not dating. Evil Monkey - Hello 10:02, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Vanessa Hudgens and Zac have NOT split up. On his birthday Thursday 18th October 2007 Zanessa were at a restaurant in Los Angeles, California holding hands !!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.67.61.157 (talk) 17:24, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Relationship Status (again)

I know ages ago there were all of these rumour about Efron and Blonsky, but they were all cos of the kiss on whatever show it on. But now there's a new rumour that post nude photos of Vanessa they've actually broken up and he's actually dating Blonsky. I know since they're rumours and I have no reliable source that this can't be taken seruiously but if anyone knows where to look to find the honest info on his relationship status that'd help.--JG ROX 124.179.49.71 06:38, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Rephrased following sentence

The sentence was "although he is of Jewish ancestry, he was raised in an agnostic household." or something like that. I was wondering if this was the reason why Category:American Jews wasn't added to his article. It is certainly possible to be atheist/agnostic and Jewish. You are still Jewish even if you don't know you are (Madeleine Albright; Christian and Jewish) and there has been prominent Jewish atheists. (Ayn Rand, Karl Marx). I think Category:American Jews should be added to his page. Any thoughts? mirageinred 00:44, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

He doesn't consider himself Jewish, He wasn't raised as a Jew. He has nothing in common with cultural Jews. I think the category should be reserved for people who self identify as Jewish, not those, who through incident of birth had a Jewish maternal line ancestor. I think the phrasing is fine stating ancestry, as it is cited, but should respect how he self identifies as a non-religious agnostic. --NrDg 01:45, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I just read the description at Category:American Jews and it says: American adherents of Judaism, or Americans of Jewish heritage, including atheists born to Jewish parents. He is born to Jewish parents, and I think the category should be included. mirageinred 02:31, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Go by their rules. However I suggest you read Who is a Jew? and see if that applies. I object personally to including people in categories they don't want to belong to and so do some modern Jews. This is probably a discussion better carried out on the category discussion page. I personally don't think that most Jewish people would want to include people who don't consider themselves Jewish, but that is just my opinion. --NrDg 02:43, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I have read the article in the past and there is certainly a lot of rules and definitions. Religious, cultural, ethnic etc. The section "ethnic Jew" says ""Ethnic Jews" include atheists, agnostics, non-denominational deists, Jews with only casual connections to Jewish denominations or converts to other religions, such as Christianity or Buddhism." mirageinred 02:47, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Then go by whatever rules the people who define the category want. I guess ethnic Jews is like ethnic Italian. It is definitional, not a personal choice. --NrDg 03:00, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Moved from our personal talk pages - I didn't recognize your user name in the signature.--NrDg 02:55, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I disagree with the phrasing "does not practice Judaism" as a replacement for my "never practiced a religion." The way I stated it conforms to what he stated in the article and includes what you stated and much more. Your rephrasing leaves open the possibility that he is religious, just not Jewish. That is not the totality of meaning to what the cite stated. --NrDg 02:38, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I must disagree. "Agnostic" already means that Efron is not religious. However, him being Jewish may imply that he may practice Judaism he may adhere of some of Jewish traditions. "Does not practice Judaism" was intended to clear the confusion. However, if you don't like my wordings, "has never practiced Judaism" seems like a nice compromise. mirageinred 02:41, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I see the problem. We are looking at two aspects of being Jewish, culture and religion. It is very possible that he was immersed in a lot of the non-religious parts of having a Jewish heritage. Probably can't avoid it if his parents were raised that way. However, the cite being used says nothing about it. Most people see the word Judaism and think religion, not culture. I was trying to stay true to what was actually said in the reference. I don't think it is a good idea to go beyond what we can back up with references.--NrDg 02:57, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

"Most people see the word Judaism and think religion, not culture." I disagree although Jews and Judaism are closely related. (The article Jew says the two are "strongly interrelated," not one and the same) For example, (this is kind of random) jokes about the Jewish nose doesn't originate from stereotypes about the Jewish faith, but ethnic stereotypes. The source used for this article says that Efron is of Jewish descent, but he and his family are agnostic. The definitions used in Cat:American Jews include religious Jews and/or those born Jewish but not adhering to Judaism or religious. mirageinred 03:09, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

You are more attuned than I so I defer to your knowledge and insights. Your change in phrasing was fine with me. I have no problems adding the category as well. Others will probably object, but I won't. --NrDg 03:14, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if there is any evidence that he does not consider himself Jewish. He did evidently give an interview to a Jewish newspaper.[10] All Hallow's Wraith 20:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

PIC?

Anyone got a pic to upload? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.56.86.207 (talk) 23:20, 2 December 2007 (UTC)