Talk:Storm (Marvel Comics)

Storm/Black Panther marriage

WAY too POV. I understand that a lot of the fans were surprised and even upset, but saying things like "remarkably" and "went as far..." show serious bias. Furthermore, the marriage was not based on a "single story" - any Black Panther fan can tell you that. Four words: Kiss in the Garden.

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LoomisSimmons 03:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC) 02:58, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I did not know that, good call. —Onomatopoeia 07:58, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Marvel.com is a wiki

I'm not too sure Marvel.com could be considered a primary source because it is a wiki-style, user-update encyclopedia. Although parts of the website are officially sanctioned by Marvel Publishing Group, I think it's best to only use interviews, press releases, and comic/media cannon as primary sources of information.

Story in the Article

I'm hoping people could help me out with making Storm's article flow more like a story, which I think is the case with other X-Men. Currently, the article is just a string of quotes and appearances. Storm is more than just the comics she has appeared in. While the timeline (i.e., the 1980s, the 1990s, etc.) is good, I feel like we're skipping over things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RossF18 (talk • contribs) 15:43, December 26, 2006

Please see Talk:Storm (comics)/Archive 1#Hacked-out fictional bio for the reason of the removal before. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 20:01, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

The reason doesn't really give an adequate reason. It just sites a bunch of things. There wasn't any discussion. He just up and erased it as far as I could tell. This should warrant further discussion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RossF18 (talk • contribs) 05:49, 27 December 2006 (UTC).

He said that the section violated the manual of style's guideline to writing about fiction, seen at WP:WAF. He also said that the section violated a consensus reached by WikiProject Comics. The editor is still around; I'm sure he can explain his reasoning in greater detail. If you compare these sections, you can see there's already redundancy between the two. Wait for him to respond here or ask him on his user talk page to explain his reasoning. Also, please leave a signature by typing four tildes (~) at the end of your comment. This will leave your IP and time/date. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 06:19, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I am "that" editor. In the version you just cited, the content was written from a highly undesirable in-universe style and violated WP:COMIC and WP:WAF guidelines about writing about comic book characters. A discussion was not necessary; ask the guys on WikiProject Comics (WP:COMIC; ask the bigwigs like ChrisGriswold, Postdlf or CovenantD) and they will be glad to fill you why NOT writing it like a story is consensus. In a nutshell, "Real-life info" > "Flow". If you feel the "flow" is choppy, feel free to improve. BTW, this article is not a good article (see that green plus on top of the page, and WP:GOOD) for nothing. -- Onomatopoeia (currently semi-retired from Wikipedia) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.137.5.122 (talk) 14:16, 27 December 2006 (UTC).

BTW, the other X-Man articles are, sorry to say, pretty poor. They are good marvelwiki articles, but as Wikipedia articles (emphasis on publication history, real-life data, cultural impact) the articles violate WP:WAF and the WP:COMIC. "Fictional biographies" (standing alone) are evidence of lazy writing. Wikipedia is not a place for cruft. -- Onomatopoeia

Please edit without the fictional bias. Storm is a character in a comic book and not a "real life" person. Although I think it's important to include the character's fictional biography, if you would like to see this article featured, then it most adopt a neutral point of view. Storm fans most adhere to the wikicomics format. Please cite all refrences, use canonical information accurately, refrain from bias interpretation, NO ORIGINAL RESEARCH, and seek out relevenat related topics. Thank you. 63.249.119.38 20:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Interview Material

1979 from Rampage Magazine(UK)

The interviewer (someone called Richard Burton, I'll abbreviate it to RB) is asking Chris various questions, working through the characters...

"RB: Storm next...

Chris Claremont: Storm is basically what she is...a goddess, a three-dimensional goddess, if such a thing is possible.

RB: When the new X-Men first appeared Storm was probably the most powerful and dramatic member. Do you feel now that she's been slightly upstaged by Phoenix?

Chris Claremont: No. In equal terms of raw power, they're approximately equal.

Jean can maintain a higher burst...she can peak higher than Storm but she can't hold it for long. The thing with Storm is that all we've done till now is show her throwing lightning bolts and creating hurricanes, but she can do far more. Phoenix is more visual - the 'bird effect' is more spectacular. So the gist of it is that they complement each other. They do different things in different ways." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.249.119.38 (talk) 01:27, 12 January 2007 (UTC).

Recent vandalism

It would seem some find this African American character too threatining to their existence. I suggest we watch for further vandalism in the future. Good Catch! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.249.119.38 (talk) 04:55, 20 January 2007 (UTC).

Peer review inserted

I just went on a limb and inserted all the valuable amendments from the peer review, see above. In order to raise this article at least to A-class, I also corrected some refs (WP:FOOT), hacked out superfluous dates (e.g. standalone years, like 1980, or August 1980 are bad, as long there is no mention of Storm in these articles; as a rule of thumb, only insert years if they are relevant to the topic, such as 1980 in comics) and did some major copyedit. I also inserted a fictional character biography like in Batman, a Featured Article. —Onomatopoeia 09:41, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Went for FAC now. —Onomatopoeia 08:43, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

About the failed FA

As I write these lines, Storm has failed the FA process. Main reason was — a legit argument IMHO — the lack of deep critical analysis. Here a concise analysis out of the FA review:

• Insufficient out-of-universe analysis. There are a few places where the article explains the reasons why things were done, which is good, but doesn't go far enough. For example, early on the article mentions that Storm was one of a new, international team brought in to replace the all-white, all-American original X-Men. That's a dramatic move -- whose idea was this, and why did they do it? Claremont and Lobdell must have given interviews at some point; what did they say about Storm? Also, the article needs more information about responses to the character. Was she popular at her introduction? How did fans respond to major changes like her "punk look" or the wedding? Is there any evidence to show whether or not Storm appeals to a nontraditional audience for superhero comics (African American girls, or girls in general)? What have reviewers said about her? Have her character or her character arcs influenced other comics? The article doesn't necessarily have to have every one of these things, but it does need substantially more analysis to go with the plot descriptions.
• Historical significance. It's odd to summarize a single pop-culture critic's view of Storm as a stereotype and then add, "However, in 2006, Marvel Comics editor-in-chief Joe Quesada called Storm 'one of the greatest female characters ever and certainly the greatest African character ever conceived'." A bit like saying "The District Attorney charged him with 37 counts of bestiality and mail fraud, but his mother thinks he's great." The section should examine a variety of views from people who aren't Marvel Comics executives.
• Level of detail. In general the "Publication history" section does a good job of boiling all the convoluted plots down to a reasonable length, but the 80s subsection has some unneeded detail. I don't think we need quite so much information about why Rogue is wanted by the government in Uncanny #185, or why exactly Storm has to fight Callisto.
• Character and plot insight. The "Publication history" section needs to explain the character development more fully. For example, the knife fight with Callisto is explained simply as "further establish[ing] Storm's character strength". But that misses the point; the surprise in that scene is that Storm is now willing to kill. (We know that because other characters comment on it -- Claremont never hesitates to tell you what to think.) Again, "Storm's outlook on life darkens after her struggles with the Brood" is a bland description that doesn't really explain what is going on and why. We're told that she was influenced by Yukio, but not what kind of influence it was. And so on.
• Film. Another example of missing analysis: I know Halle Berry was a controversial choice to play Storm, and that she was reported (inaccurately?) as complaining about the idea of playing a comic book character. Please tell me about that. Also, what did reviewers think? The films brought the character to a much wider audience, so I think a longer treatment is justified.

All in all, a fair analysis, if someone has a deep X-Men or even a dedicated Storm book which provides a deep making-of and behind-the-scenes info, feel free to add the info and try again. —Onomatopoeia 15:04, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Err, where's the archive?

I was perusing the log of recently added GA articles, and while this doesn't appear to of been recently added, (The article name change triggered the bot) I can't see a GA review here, and while the talk page history looks like it was nominated once or twice, the archive link seems to be broken, and I didn't see any edit summaries saying that the article was really passed. Anyone know what happened? Homestarmy 21:14, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

The article got moved from Storm (comics) to Storm (Marvel Comics) as there is another Storm in comics, and the archive wasn't moved along with the page. I've moved it now. -Malkinann 21:48, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism of Storm's photo

Zaitu2 (who appears to be a kid with the language on his user page) vandalised the article by changing Storm's picture. Reverted to earlier file. Just noting it here for anyone monitoring this page and wishing to be made aware of such an act. Zuracech lordum 06:19, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Can't somebody find a better picture anyway? That X-Treme costume is so outdated (not to mention ugly) and I think a more recent picture would be better.

No Dumping

Please do not dump (cut and paste) information from other wiki style websites onto this page. This seriously interferes with the well written portions of this article and detracts from the overall readability of the article. 67.112.124.78 04:29, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Energy patterns

"More recently, Storm has shown the ability to alter her visual perceptions so as to see the universe as multi-colored energy patterns, detecting the ebb and flow of energy behind weather, machines, and human nervous systems."

It's not actually recent, this ability was shown as far back as the mid-80's arc where the White Queen swapped bodies with Storm. In learning to use her powers, the WQ realized she could perceive patterns of energy in the air around her. If I had the issue # to cite, I'd add it. Noclevername 00:13, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

X-Treme X-Men #11-17 (debuted in May 2002) Storm is captured and detained by Khan the conquerer and the extent of her peceptions is revealed. Also, in Uncanny X-Men #151-152 (debuted in November 1981), Storm has the infamous body swap with the White Queen. The White Queen then understands that Storm can percieve the Natural Universe in terms of Energy rather than just visible matter. 74.220.74.236 18:14, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Proposed merge

• Oppose merge. Did the anonymous person who proposed the merge read the Bloodstorm article? There's more than one Bloodstorm, and they're not both Storm. Doczilla 07:23, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
• Merge All entries pertaining to Ororo Munroe should be on the main entry similar to what is done for Ultimate characters. Bloodstorm can stay a seperate page for the Dracula (clone) but the Mutant X entry should be moved here with only a link remaining directed to the alternat versions section of this article. I'll move the merger tag down to avoid any further confusion. 69.182.78.104 19:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
• Merge Agree with previous. akendall 19:33, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose - I'm with Doc. The article will become pointless without Bloodstorm (Ororo's version) being in it. RIANZ 20:22, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose - Bloodstorm has enough history to be worth and article of her own. -Skyrocket
• Merge Bloodstorm may be a different code name than Storm but she is still Orroro Munroe (of an alternate universe). The other Bloodstrom (Dracula Clone) has nothing to do with Orroro's Character. I agree, if the articles do merge, it should be formatted to look something like the Ultimates Section. SluggerBugger 01:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Yes, the fact that the other Bloodstorm has nothing to do with Ororo is why a straight merge will not work. Doczilla 08:02, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose - for all the reasons already listed.
• Oppose - for above reasons and spite. 66.109.248.114 19:36, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
• Merge - There's too much confusion as it is. 74.220.74.236 04:26, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

After 2 months of no additional discussion points, I propose discussion now close with no concensus reached.

Please see discussion regarding(Merging Alternate Versions of Characters)

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Worrying

From the article:

"Initially, in Marvel Team-Up #100 (1980), Storm is seen at age twelve rescuing Black Panther from a white racist called Andreas de Ruyter, but in Dickey's miniseries, a young T'Challa saves a 12 year old Storm from de Ruyter and his brother. A Black Panther #24 (2006) flashback is ambiguous when it comes to the physical aspect of their first meeting, while the miniseries has Ororo lose her virginity to T'Challa a few days after they meet."

This makes it sound like Black Panther takes the virginity of a twelve year old, notable considering the two are meant to be role models. This aspect of the article should be further clarified if possible. What is the miniseries mentioned? 203.59.46.238 04:40, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

"What is the miniseries mentioned?" --- The Storm minisires by Dickey. While I see your point, I think Black Panther and Storm are the same age (or within one or two years) if that makes any difference. (RossF18 17:40, 25 July 2007 (UTC))

Are you making the assumption that a young woman has to be a virgin in order to be a role model? That's absurd. Nevertheless, T'Challa isn't depicted as being much older than Storm - somewhere around 14-16.LoomisSimmons 05:03, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, according to this [|interview with Dickey], they were teenagers in his miniseries, so I'm changing it. A gx7 06:00, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Dickey must have forgotten his own writing, then, because in Storm #1, she clearly says: Twelve years old. I am a thief. A pickpocket since I was six years old. In Storm #4, it says I have survived the last six years [snip] without my family. Storm #2 reads: Six years old. Buried alive. For whatever reason, Dickey was ambiguous on T'Challa's age, but Storm is clearly and undeniably 12. Changing it back. LoomisSimmons 04:49, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

"Are you making the assumption that a young woman has to be a virgin in order to be a role model? That's absurd." Yeah, I think little girls shouldn't have sex. I'm an extremist crackpot. Besides, those quotes don't prove that she didn't age in the series. She could have been a pickpocket before she became separated from her family. A gx7 10:31, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Helllllllllo? The series takes place in a matter of three to four days. The morning after Ororo and T'Challa have sex, she mentions her age. Okay? You obviously have not read the miniseries. I OWN IT. I can scan the pages and "prove" whatever you need proof of. Storm was 12 when she lost her virginity. Period. Whatever issues you have with that, take them up with your psychiatrist. LoomisSimmons 04:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

So you were right. Yay for prepubescent superhero sex. Maybe I will be needing a psychiatrist now. A gx7 05:41, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Loud and wrong, as usual. Prepubescence is the time BEFORE puberty, not DURING puberty. By age 12, a girl is not prepubescent, as puberty in girls begins around age 10. Most 12-year-old females are able to conceive children due to menstruation. See? I just gave you something to discuss with your shrink. Oh, and last I recall, neither Storm nor BP were superheros in their teen years.

Don't get me wrong, I'm far from thrilled that this was written. In fact, I hate the whole mini and as far as I'm concerned, the story never took place. I see no reason whatsoever that it needed to be established that Storm lost her virginity when she was only 12. But to say that a woman cannot be a role model just because she had sex at an early age is terribly misogynistic. Females don't all run around with quarters between our knees until marriage. Get used to it. LoomisSimmons 23:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I'm aware of those technicalities. I don't know why you seem angry at me. What makes you think I don't apply the same principle to males? A gx7 10:14, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Because you said nothing of T'Challa not being a role model because he was having sex, only Ororo. LoomisSimmons 21:20, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

From my first comment: "This makes it sound like Black Panther takes the virginity of a twelve year old, notable considering the two are meant to be role models." I apply the same standards to both. A gx7 14:09, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Appropiate source

I was wondering if I could use information from The Classic Marvel Figurine Collection magazines to flesh out Storm's initial conception. They contain more detailed interviews with her creators, but I was wondering if they were an acceptable source, since I haven't seen them referenced elsewhere. Paul730 03:13, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I think it's fine so long as the source is verifiable. In other words, it can be confirmed through other sources of information either directly or indirectly. Hope that helps! 74.220.74.44 05:28, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

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Page length

Hovering around 53-54 KB this page has really reached it maximum length. My suggestion is to create an Alternate versions of Storm page similar to Alternate versions of Captain America and Alternate versions of Iron Man which were recently created due to page length. This would create room to expand the Storm article(such as the 1990's section) as well as create room to add more detail to the Alternate versions section. Storms entry at Bloodstorm (comics) could also be moved to the new page.

The page has now been created to shorten the main article. -Freak104 21:58, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Is Storm still in the X-Men?

All these storylines are so confusing and the article is unclear...is Storm still on the team? PatrickJ83 04:04, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

In a word, no. Right now, she is a temporary member of the Fantastic Four and back with the X-Men for a limited run. But if you're asking if Storm is a member of the X-Men, the answer is no; she left the X-Men last year to marry T'Challa. LoomisSimmons 23:30, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! PatrickJ83 05:37, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Curtailing

I reviewed the article and saw the problems that make it too long. It's riddled with fannish comments. The powers section is twice too long. The article includes references both in the text and as references. The Games section is too detailed in places. The publication history has been mixed up with the character biography and this is going to require the most work. Too many pictures, some serve no purpose. There is no need to create an alternate versions page and Bloodstorm should find its way here. --Leocomix 08:21, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, for example I just removed a comment that "Storm has shown herself able to transcend into an elemental being when properly provoked" from the powers section. There is no proof for this in the comics with the exception of a non-canonical alternate future storyline. ~ KiplingKat 75.110.7.153 09:56, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

That is not entirley true. Ororo was once trapped in a statue by Dr. Doom, and when she broke out, she had lightning for hair, and was breathing fire and ice. The issue goes on to say that she is one with the entire planet, and that the infinite power within her, now unleashed, had Evolved her beyond all comprehension. If the "transcend into an elemental being" part is what gets you, then I do, to a certain level, agree. However, while it "CAN" be said that she was not a "Wholly" elemental being(and nothing like what her alternate futre self became), it "CANNOT" be said(due to the fact that the comic says so) that she wasn't indeed started to evolve from her physical form. I too would like to save the "Wholly elemental being" title for when she actually does it. But until that is stated in the 616 universe, I feel that it should be included in the powers and abilities section not only for the fact that it is a major(still kind of unexplored) part of her powers, but also for the fact that she has shown that it is indeed possible for her to become a "WHOLLY" elemental being. On the issue of the article being to friggin long, yes, I totally agree. It's one of the longest articles I've seen on Wiki. I think a good summary of her life story, special events, powers, and description in media, would do a lot of good. 69.19.14.35 22:57, 21rolemac August 31, 2007

Storm does not turn into an elemental being but can wield her powers in such ways to where she actually links herself psionically to the Earth and the natural elemental forces to gain near absolute control. Maybe she is a Omega-level mutant. But whoever edited her powers section needs to be shot in the foot. It's way too long and is very incoherent. I'm editing it. Elemental5293 (talk) 03:29, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

WHITE WASHED?

There is a part in the historical significance section of Storm's article which states that she has more recently been depicted with blue eyes and white hair, and that she has been depicted as a white woman not only in the comic universe, but in the X-Men film universe as well. First of all, Storm has ALWAYS been depicted as a BLACK woman with white hair and blue eyes. This was written from the very first moment she appeared. Second of all, Storm has always had a very heavy AFRICAN heritage. She was in Kenya for a good portion of her life, she has an AFRICAN accent, and she was worshipped as a Goddess for years. Third of all, this has no reason being in her HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE area, let alone the article. It infuriates me that with all of the different artists who have drawn her over the last several decades, that someone believes that a picture or two disgraces her ENTIRE history. How many times has the white hair and blue eyes been explained? How many times has she been drawn with these features? And how many times has Storm expressed her love for the country of Africa? Of all of the BEAUTIFUL, blue-eyed, white-haired, ebony-colored skin featured pictures of Storm, and of all of the artists who have handled her so wonderfully, someone took a few pictures they didn't like and tried to question her entire African heritage? Do me a favor, and leave all of the anti-black comments out of this Obvious Black Superheroine's history. 66.82.9.85 00:23, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I have a number of disagreements with what you've said.

1. I didn't say she was depicted as a "white woman", but "more Caucasian". The Michael Turner image for example shows her as having a noticably lighter complexion than someone who was supposedly born of an all black family. Also, she was portrayed in the films by Halle Berry, whose mother was white.

2. She has not always had blue eyes.

3. I didn't mention her hair, but now that you mention it, it is suspiciously straight for an African woman.

4. My point relates to her Historical Significance as a black woman in that making her whiter negates it.

I don't know how her blue eyes have been explained, but the fact that her mutant status leaves her without darker eyes, a wider nose, thicker lips and wavier hair seems somewhat convenient. --A gx7 05:16, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Storm has always had blue eyes, when they are not completely blank while she uses her power. Always. Originally, but less common over the years, her eyes are slitted like a cat's or snake's, too. This does not make her caucasian any more than it makes her a snake. She's a mutant who looks unusual. -- AvatarMN 20:05, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Storm is, after all, a mutant. Her blue eyes and white hair has already been explained, and I'd think that her hair being straight is also a mutation. As for her not having a wider nose and thick lips, her mother was of East African ancestry. East Africans (Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Rwanda, Ethiopia, Somalia, etc.) have thinner noses and thinner lips than West Africans (Congo, Benin, Togo, Nigeria, Angola, etc.). In the comics, mutation can cause all kinds of characteristics that are unrealistic (i.e., Nightcrawler, Mystique, Mr. Sinister, Marrow, Elixir, etc.). -- WiccaIrish 03:41, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

When Professor Xavier first found Storm, she was being worshipped in Africa as a Weather Goddess. In this appearance(her first appearance) she had white hair, blue eyes, and dark skin. You see, Storm comes from a very long line of white-haired, blue-eyed Witches whose mystical powers derived from the Goddess Ma'at(the Goddess of truth, law, and order). Storm possess these traits due to her sorceress heritage, not by mutation(her ancestor, Ashake, though not a mutant, possessed these traits and magic). There have been numerous artists who have drawn Storm, thus, giving her a lot of different looks(as no artist or BLACK woman, draws or looks the same). On the fantastic four art cover, yes, there is a slightly lighter skinned, brown-eyed, white-haired Storm. It appears that Michael Turner is one of the artists ,in the marvel comic world, who has made the occasional "MISTAKE" of drawing Storm with brown eyes(I'm not counting the glowing-eyed covers), instead of blue ones. To address your Halle Berry comment, I have to say I strongly agree with you. I dislike Halle Berry's acting in general(her hair was terrible until X3, her dreadful African accent disappeared in X2 and X3 without explanation, and she did not have dark skin or "BLUE" eyes) and I honestly wish someone with "GOOD" voice talent had portrayed the weather witch wrather than Halle Berry. However, to say that "STORM" in general has been White Washed is a little extreme if you ask me, considering Reginald Hudlin's "Black Panther" series has some of the most stunningly beautiful pictures of Storm I have ever seen(she looks like a mix of Iman and Angela Bassett, whom I wish would have portrayed her in the films). I am glad I'm not the only person on this planet who feels angrily about "Halle Storm" and the lighter skinned versions of her, but to say that she has been white washed is like saying her TRUE origins are questionable thanks to a terrible actress, and questionable artists. It is not your vision of a beautiful dark skinned Storm that I have an issue with, it is the title "White Washed" that bothers me. 66.82.9.62 18:41, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree that Strom is not "whitewash." In fact I loath that term altogether. I don't believe there is any way to act "white," "black," "latino," or any other race. People's choice of style/dress and their personalities/attitudes are a product of a wide variety of factors ex: country of origin, country of residence, spiritual belief, political belief, social standards/expectations. African-American features also come in a wide range of structures. I believe Storm is a target for controversy because there is a LACK of African characters in general and even fewer who have wider nose and thick lips and coarse hair. However, Storm's features have been consistant since the character's inception, and changing them to suit a lack of representation would be equally as insulting as the trend of replacing Iconic characters with minorities. Comic book companies should have enough courage to create compelling new characters rather than attempting to remarket old ones. I also have a BIG issue with describing Storm as a "tough, highly attractive enforcer," with negative connotations. She's a Warrior, Field Operative and Team Leader with GODDESS-like capabilities. There would be NO POINT to the character at all if she were portrayed as a timid, simplistic woman and it would draw even more racist accusations by the african-american community and feminists alike. Despite any of our personal view points, this is a controversial topic and both sides of the argument should be presented equally in the article so that people can come to their own conclusions when reading it. As the section stands now, I believe it is one-sided and could use elaboration. Bookkeeperoftheoccult 07:31, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the Iman and Angela Bassett part. I wish Bassett had portrayed Storm. -- WiccaIrish 02:43, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I thought Storm was mixed race - her mother was black, but her father was white. PatrickJ83 05:39, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure (like 97.8%) that Storm's parents were both black, from flashbacks and from when she almost died in X-Treme X-Men. Also I think that her hair colour is a mutation, similar to Polaris' and Psylocke's hair color. Both Lorna and Betsy had been known to dye their hair (Lorna dyed hers brunette while Betsy dyed hers blonde) but their hair is naturally green and purple respectively. What I'm getting at is that all three characters hair colour is naturally what is seen and not a dye job and is due a mutation. Also I think Storm's hair is wavy but c'mon I'm sure the Marvel Universe has heard of hair straighteners!StarSpangledKiwi 22:51, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Storm's white hair and blue eyes are a result of her mystic heritage. Her ancestor, Ashake, possessed these same features and she was a powerful witch. Ororo is descended from an ancient line of white-haired blue-eyed witches. It's sort of like Gambits eyes being naturally black and red. As for the movie actress part, finding a half Kenyan half African American actress to play Storm might prove to be pretty difficult, considering that there pretty much aren't (that I can recall) any. However, just because that type of mixture is in low (as far as I know) supply, doesn't mean that there aren't better actresses out there who can pull off blue contacts, white hair, and a Kenyan accent successfully. Not trying to hate, but Halle Berry just isn't (in my opinion) a good actress to play Storm. When the first X-Men movie was being rumored, the first person I thought of was Storm. I started brainstorming on beautiful black actresses who could pull off white hair, blue eyes, and a kenyan accent, I thought of Angela Bassett and the like (but mostly Angela). Halle Berry never came to my mind and quite frankly, I am dissapointed with the choice (her Storm portrayal speaks for itself). She never made me believe she WAS the character she was portraying. Her hair was DREADFULLY AWFUL 'til X3 and even though they fixed that problem, they cannot fix her whiny voice and her eyes. I just felt like she was a woman playing dress up. And as for the different artists, I have no problem seeing there portrayal of Ororo as long as she has white hair and blue eyes. Even though I prefer the Phoenix Endsongish skinned colors, I always knew that it was Storm because I could imagine her voice and the way she acted. Halle (as far as film portrayals) pretty much ruined that for me. However, just because someone made a casting mistake, doesn't mean that my favorite X-Woman/Black character ever, should be effected by this White Washed title. And even if this title must stay (I hope not) I think it should be edited to show those who agree, and those who don't. Storm is black with white hair and blue eyes, and the artist who made her (Cockrum) is a genius for setting a character apart from the crowd. I hope other people state there opinions (whether you agree or not) so that SOMETHING can be done about this. P.S. Storm's father was black and so was her mother.69.19.14.29 13:36, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

White people are not the only race with straight hair. Besides that, Storm's hair color is PLATINUM WHITE, not BLONDE. Asians, Indians, Chinese, Japanese, and (naturally) even some African people can have straight hair. Also, if you feel Halle's portrayal of Storm was weak, then just say that. Don't blame it on the fact that she is half black and half white, especially since she wishes to be identified as a black woman. Storm has always been depicted as a white haired (again, not blonde), Kenyan/African-American, blue eyed mutant. Uncanny X-Men even shows her with her original cat-like eyes. With that said, how are you going to post that Storm has not always had blue eyes, when it was not only written, but drawn? You cannot argue with hundred upon hundreds (most importantly her first appearance) of scans. Black women have been known to straighten their hair as well (not saying that this applies to Storm), yet none of them have their very ethnicity threatened. So, having said that, this part of the article is HEAVILY BIASED and needs to be edited.66.82.9.80 03:23, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

First of all I have to agree with 66.82.9.80. This whole Whitewashed section on Storm should be deleted. Ororo's father was African American and her mother was African with white hair and blue eyes because her mother descended from a long line of female priestesses with magical powers. Colorists or whoever, like to color Storm with lighter skin when she is actually Kenyan who have dark skin. Her eyes have been blue since birth and her hair the same. African peoples, alone, typically do not have straight hair and usually have very curly hair unless their ancestry is diluted with other ethinicities. So, what. Her hair is her hair and her eyes are her eyes. I vote on deleting that whole part of the article. Elemental5293 (talk) 03:13, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

There were sources provided for reporting this accusation, though. Mentioning that it's been accused is not the same thing as saying the accusations have merit. -- AvatarMN (talk) 00:25, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Recent Changes

I changed some things around to reflect some semblence of cohesion in the article. I renamed some catergories so that it's easier to summarize the information into a title. I think the powers and abilities section needs some desperate attention and needs to be taken out of in-universe style and grammatically proofed. Overall, I think minor adjustments need to be made to this article. 74.220.74.44 05:51, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

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ETERNITY

Dr. Strange has recently put eternity's consciousness into Ororo's, saying they are the only ones capable of hosting and handling the entity's power. I'm not saying she's Omega, but I am saying this is rather extreme for an Alpha level mutant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.19.14.40 (talk) 19:02, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Please cite this. --RossF18 20:37, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I think the feat took place in Fantastic Four #550.69.19.14.44 00:08, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I think it's good to refrence that feat in the main part of the article and not in the powers and abilities section. That section should be more like a list of her known abilities and powers, it should not include biographical information or lengthy explanations and comparisons to other fictional characters. That borderlines on speculation. If you can somehow word it differently in the powers and abilities section, without the whole story speculative comparison, then it should be mentioned there. Otherwise, it would be prudent to have only one refrence mentioned in her biography or history sections.

74.220.74.44 18:34, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

That's a nice recommendation. If not that, could a summary of it in her potential sorceress abilities be possible? Just wondering if Dr. Strange's commment on their spirits meant that she was a potentially powerful witch. If not mystical, it might be that she was pulling off another planet-healing feat times a billion. On third thought, because of the two different possibilities this feats source has( since she was Eternity's life support for magic or mutant ability), I think it just might belong on the main article at least until further information is gathered.69.19.14.22 13:04, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I do believe it is in reference to her magical heritage. This is all my own speculation and should not be added to the main article. However, that said, I believe that her magically inclined ancestors are amoung the more powerfull socerers of their respected times. Ayesha of Balebadou, was most likely the first high Priestes and first Socereres Supreme. Ashake was also a very influential and power magic wielder of her time. Perhaps with each generation of magic users, their powers enhance culminating to the present generation: Storm. Spirit and Will are not the same things. Will is more like self-determination, which is why many psychics posess extreme powers of will. Spirit is a quality more atuned to self-power. This was just a ramble. 74.220.74.44 18:39, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Uhm -- I was the one who added the information about Dr. Strange saying that only Ororo and himself were of the spirit to handle Eternity's consciousness. It did indeed take place in FF #550. I can TRY to integrate it into the body of her history as suggested. However, I suspect that this does indeed confirm her as an Omega-Level mutant. I didn't think it had to do with her latent sorcerous potential so much. In the future, could you PLEASE contact or message someone before just taking out relevant information? Also -- a lot of people are just making changes without signing in (hence the IP request showing up). This doesn't tend to make Wiki useful -- and far LESS hospitable! (Mirror Ball 22:01, 15 October 2007 (UTC))Mirror Ball

Eternity II

Just leave my Eternity info OFF altogether! This is a milestone in her POWERS and belonged there. I'm sorry I ever even sugggested it. Just leave it off!!! Mirror Ball

It's not a matter of leaving out certain information regarding her comic book appearances or powers. It should be mentioned here. However, you CANNOT make the claim that she is an omega-level mutant and use this information in support of your argument. Your argument is simply speculation; Dr. Strange never stated that she was an omega-level mutant nor did writer/narrator of this particular comic. If you can somehow trim the information down to a specific point (such as "Storm is known to have held the full conciousnes of Eternity; a feat demanding tremendous strength of spirit of which few characters in the Marvel Universe are known to posess"). Does that make sense? BTW, wikipedia is designed to be editable by everyone, not just users. 74.220.74.44 18:23, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually -- if you read what I originally wrote, you'd see that I expressly said that this MAY be an INDICATION that she is an Omega-level mutant -- not that Strage had said one way or the other; I read the comic too, you know. Also, the suggestion that Storm may be an Omega-level mutant has been made by Hudlin and other writers in the past. I was just putting it out there because it seemed like a good idea to mention this in her power level as a milestone. BTW -- a little courtesy goes a long way. You seem intent on reverting ANYONE'S additions; I didn't originally change the set up -- I just added. It's cool though; I'm not going to get bent out of shape over this. You are welcome to have it the way YOU had it, though. Storm is....all yours. Have a nice day! Mirror Ball

Thank you for wishing me a nice day! You too have a wonderful day! I am familiar with the Black Panther issue where Iron Man discusses the possibility of Storm being an omega-level mutant. Thus, I have made the argument for cannonical appreciation of the phrase "possible omega-level mutant," which was used to describe her mutant status. As it has been stated on the talk page of the Omega-level mutant article, it's not about what feat she, or any other character, may do. It's about what is writtin in marvel cannon. She may have imploded galaxies, plummeted worlds into forzen chaos, etc. Those feats of power do not mean that she's an omega-level mutant. Thus, you cannot connect the dots between her mutant status and her feats of power and conclude anything, other than in relative terms. To do so would be speculation. Don't get me wrong, we speculate about things all the time. However, since this is an encyclopedia, we have to distinguish what we truly know from what we believe to be so. Hence, wikipedia's standard on speculation in articles.

Please understand that in no way do I think of myself as being right over others or yourself. What makes wikipedia work is the joint effort and cooperation on writing decent articles. I respect your thoughts and opinions. This article does not belong to me or anyone else and is fully editable by members of the public. I wish you well and hope that you will continue to participate in writing the Storm article. 74.220.74.44 00:43, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey. I have a question, the article states that "She can create electric, magnetic, and electromagnetic fields". Wouldn't this mean that she has the same abilities as Magneto and/or Polaris? Thanks in advance! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.83.203.249 (talk) 14:18, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Well, Although Ororo can create electric, magnetic and electromagnetic fields, she doesn't have the ACTUAL power of magnetism. However, she can create and manipulate them to either create/counter powerful electric based domes, or, use them to inhance her weather manipulating abilities, like Magneto can do with her lightning. Magneto's mutant ability enables him to be, well, a powerful magnet. But Storm's mutant ability allows her to use the various fields of earth or other planets to inhance her weather powers. Hope this helps!66.82.9.62 21:48, 27 October 2007 (UTC) 14rolemac

That's not true. Storm's character should be able to easily generate and manipulate magnetic fields. The fundamental particle of electromagnetism is the electron. Whenever an electron "moves" it generates a magetic field, hence the phrase electromagnetism. Depending on how energetically the eletron moves determines the frequency of light (photons) produced. In otherwords, a highly energitc electomagnetic field will produce high frequecny photons. The lowest detectable frequency being radio waves, the highest detectable frequecny being gamarays; visible light lies somewhere in-between. Lightnining produces light at all frequencies. Storm has shown the ability to move electrons (thus make magnetic fields), whether it's to create lightning or disperse the physical essence of Stardust. If anything, Storms potential to wield the electromagnetic force should be greater than that of Magneto because her power is inherently psionic and his is not (and that's cannon). His power is to manipulate feromagnetic conditions based upon his highly electrolytic physiology. In other words, his body is a giant magnet. Not to downplay Mags though, he can still absorb and will a great amount of force and he's a genius! What it boils down to is the writters. Some writters know a little bit about how nature works, some don't. The way lightning, for example, is depicted in comics is far from it's actual nature and power. As many people have experienced, a single lightning bolt can casue blackouts (because of the associated electromagnetic pulse) in neighborhoods, blow-up trees, cars, and houses!, start enourmous wild fires, etc. And yet, as it is generaly depected in comics, a person being struck by lightning usually is just thrown back a few feet and gets up a few mintues later without any physical harm being done.74.220.74.44 20:44, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

My apologies, perhaps I should put this differently. It was not my intention to say Storm cannot create/manipulate electric, magnetic, and electromagnetic fields. As my previous post says, I know very well that she has this ability as it has been said, written, and drawn. However, while we do have common ground with this, I must say that I am going by Marvel CANNON, not SPECULATION. I have yet to read an issue of X-Men where it shows Storm MAGNETICALLY move a car, or MAGNETICALLY lift enemies. The day that this is written in a Marvel book, I probably rush to her article and put it in her powers and abilities. But she has yet to do this, so I can't say that she can, but I'm also not saying that she can't. Also, yes, I know that Storm's powers are psionic. In fact, that's actually part of the reason why she is so difficult to track down by psychics (that and the fact that the girl has indomitable will/spirit power thus hosting Eternity). But the problem is, I've seen/read Storm move just about anything with her powerful winds, but I haven't seen her move metallic objects with magnetism. The question was could she use her powers like Magneto/Polaris, and the answer in short would be KINDA. Lightning/Electricity and Magnetism are so closely related, and Storm's ability to manipulate the ENTIRE EARTH'S weather/fields is so incredible, that it would not surprise me if one day she MAGNETICALLY lifted a car. But, from what I know, she hasn't. So with that said, it "MIGHT" be possible for her to use her powers like Magneto/Polaris. But while she can generate pretty much anything electric, it has yet to be said in a marvel comic that she CAN do the EXACT same thing that they can. So, with that said, until there is further proof showing that she can, it is mere speculation. 66.82.9.108 21:18, 29 October 2007 (UTC) 14rolemac

Understood. And you are totally right about the character not using magnetic abilities to "lift cars." However, she has moved metallic objects with lightning-based attacks, which is essentially the same thing, but only with the flashy lighning effect. Hmm... I do find it interesting that when Polaris is using her abilities to the max, like when she almost killed Vulcan, her magnetic powers tend to stream like green lightning. Thanks for the post74.220.74.44 21:55, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the lightning thing. Writers really need to take science and math classes. Lightning is highly dangerous. Lightning is not concussive. It's extremely hot and once it hits you it either electrocutes you or burns you usually to a blackened crisp. It can stop people's heartbeats. I don't know why writers depict electricity and lightning as concussive blasts. On the lowest levels but that's pushing it. I disagree on the Magneto thing. Magneto's power are psionic. He bends and manipulates magnetism, magnetic fields and electromagnetism psionically using his body like a battery. I believe, Storm's power over the elements and natural forces are highly unlikely able to magnetically levitate a car or alter magnetic fields. If she hasn't already. Storm's lightning against Magneto just feeds him with more power to wield. The more energy his power he has, the easier it is for him to psionically manipulate magnetic forces. However, I do agree that Storm is teetering on the line between Alpha-level mutant and Omega-level mutant like Prof. X and Magneto. The whole definition of Omega-level mutant is unlimited potential and the ability to bring about the end of the world. Storm has the end of the world part but I don't think she has unlimited power and potential. Elemental5293 (talk) 03:24, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Magneto's Powers aren't psionic. He channels his powers through his nervous system. Storm has a mental connection to the weather. Magneto has a more physical connection to it.69.19.14.20 14:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

No problem. I'm very, very happy that we were able to settle this in a nice and pretty funny manner (unlike the white washed topic). 69.19.14.36 23:42, 29 October 2007 (UTC) 14rolemac

Hi. It's quite a debate I started here! Thanks to you both for the time you put in these answers, it's all a lot more clear to me now. Greetings! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.83.203.249 (talk) 12:09, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Possible Sorceress Supreme

Hi, I'm a really, really huge fan of Storm, and I know just about everything about the character. But, just wandering, isn't her ancestor, Ayesha, an ACTUAL Sorceress Supreme? In the same book where Storm is 1/3 High Priestess, and Ashake traces her African roots to Ayesha, it lists her as a Sorceress Supreme from 10,000bc, til 6,000bc. Looking at that, it seems like it should be said that she WAS a Sorceress Supreme. I just want to address this, since it applies to Storm's already great magic potential. Also, would it be possible for there to be something about Ashake, other ancestors (possibly alternate versions) of Storm, and magic feats that could possibly be performed by her? She's been hinted at being a powerful latent witch throughout most of her exsistence and it would be nice to see more about the magic side.66.82.9.62 22:20, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

In Uncanny X-Men #103, Storm says quote, "Wind and wave, sea and storm hear my words and begone!" and the sky goes clear after that. This is not the only time Storm has "SPOKEN" to the weather to make effects take place. Just wondering, is she manifesting her mutant power through a chant, or is she just controlling her mutant power in a different way.66.82.9.59 01:26, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Another interesting factoid to bring up is that the character Ainet, the "foster-mom" of Ororo, was a sorceress herself. She wasn't on par with the greatest, nontheless, she was her villiages priestess and sole magic user. She supposedly taught Ororo how to better deal with her emerging mutant powers, though she did not recognize them as being of mutant origin. Ainet is officailly mentioned in the Official Handbook to the Marvel Universe as being a magic user. She could have easily taught Storm some spells and the like. 74.220.74.44 03:55, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

This is too AWESOME! This makes since of the chants, her expertise in weather manipulation and everything! I knew Ainet taught her how to use her powers, but it never crossed my mind how she did. A tribal priestess of strong will, teaching a mutant with latent magic abilities. It all really makes since. Actually, now that I think about it, X-treme X-Men (I think issue 12) says, "When Storm was a little girl, making rain was magic, but the "magic" was her mutant power. It is very save to assume that while she has not used magic on the scale of Dr. Strange, or Selene, that magical "TRAINING" is what gave Storm her powerful will power and spirit. 69.19.14.40 12:26, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

My personal theory, mind you this is all speculation, is that Storm is a descendent of Agamotto and Ushtur, two gods that make up the trinity of the Vishanti. I think that before Agamotto transcended this plane, he left behind human descendents. His descendents possesed the inherent ability to perfrom magic and to call upon him and Ushtur in times of great duress. Eventually, their came a time when the Earth needed protection from supernatural threats, and so Agamotto selected a Sorcerer Supreme. The first Sorcerer Supreme, after Agamotto, was not of Agamottos bloodline, but nonetheless was powerfull enough to combat the dark magics of his time. The reason why I think that Ororo is part of Ushtur and Agamotto's bloodline, is that her matrilineal lineage is too closely related to the Vishanti's magic. And their genetic traits, white hair, blue vertically slited eyes, and magic ability, are not common amoung peoples of East Africa. these genetic traits had to be introduced from a foreign body, which I believe was one of the Vishanti.74.220.74.44 20:58, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

There was a topic in the previous archive that went like this.

Possible Origin of the Storm Character The character Storm may have been a derival from actual real-life people called Rain Queens since she controlled the weather as they are believed to do. The Rain Queens of Balobedu are a matrilineal line of women who have reigned over the Balobedu Tribe of the Limpopo Province of Soouth Africa. It is said that Rain Queens have the ability to control the clouds and rainfall. Currently there is no ruling Rain Queen as the previous Rain Queen has recently passed away.

Ayesha of BALOBEDU was Storm's Sorceress Supreme ancestor, and their have been other WIND RIDERS in Storm's mystic bloodline. That means that this previous topic has now been officially confirmed in marvel cannon and I think that it should be included somewhere in her character article. Since Storm has now been officially connected to these women. Oh, and also, the title WEATHER WITCH now has an entirely new meaning. 66.82.9.108 21:56, 29 October 2007 14rolemac (UTC)

Ancestral Line

Storm's ability to control the weather has been manifested on more than one occasion through chants. She has said stuff like "Wind and wave, sea and storm, her my words and begone!" and the weather would change. Emma Frost even did a chant that made rapid weather effects take place. Before, I wouldn't think to much of this. I would just think she was just using her mutant power in a different way. But then I found out a little bit more about where she comes from. Ororo is the descendant of Marvel's version of the Rain Queens. There have been other Wind Riders in her mystic line, saying that there were other Weather Witches like her. Storm's ancestor, Ayesha of Balobedu, was from, well, Balobedu. The odds of Marvel accidentally saying, "Hey, of all the places in the world, lets choose Balobedu to be her ancestors homeland" are grimly slim. I mean, come on, it's not speculation any longer, Storm's character has direct blood connections to the Rain Queens of the Marvel Universe (I'm thinking that Marvel's version of the Rain Queens has silver hair, and blue, vertically slitted eyes.). I find this very exciting, and I think something more should be said about her newly explained sorceress origins. Especially since they go all the way back to the dawn of Atlantis. 69.19.14.26 12:52, 31 October 2007 (UTC) 14rolemac

Ashake now lives in the present! See Mystic Arcana: Nico Minoru —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.220.74.44 (talk) 17:46, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

WOW! Now this, I am looking forward too! By the way, on the subject of Ashake, does anyone think that there should be a page created for her? The New Mutants article by itself would have been short, but with the new Mystic Arcana information, mixed with the upcoming journey of Ian and Ashake, I think it would be fair to give the Priestess her own BIO page. I think she has enough history and magic abilities to haver her own BIO. Does anyone have any thoughts/suggestions?69.19.14.22 21:58, 9 November 2007 (UTC)14rolemac

I say go for it! 74.220.74.44 22:31, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, I did my best, wrote and submitted her article. If all works out like I hope, she will get the recognition she deserves. Well, that and more possibilities for Storm. Thanks a lot for the encouragement! I'm hoping that everything goes well!66.82.9.83 05:14, 10 November 2007 (UTC)14rolemac

Well, they declined it. Not let down though. I must admit that I am not the best when it comes to writing articles. But I am quite skilled when it comes to editing them. Since I don't have any other place to write this, I figured would use the closest thing to it, Storm. With that said, does anyone have any opinions or ideas for writing something for Ashake? If possible, Me and other fans of the character would appreciate it.69.19.14.39 16:31, 10 November 2007 (UTC)14rolemac

Check this out. Oshtur74.220.74.40 (talk) 03:05, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Powers & abilities?

What happend to the well writen concise editorial of Storm's powers & abilities section? Can someone explain why there was such a major edit to the alread well substantiated section? This current sections cites no references, is writien in in-universal style, lacks spelling and grammatical proof, and is chucked full of speculative comments. Either is needs some major restructuring or it's going to be deleted. That's not a threat from me, but it's part of wikipedia's standards of "Good Articles," which this article was nominated for and won. I'm a fan of the character, but fan-people please get a hold of yourselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.220.74.44 (talk) 05:59, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

• Re-inserted old section. Wow, that version SUCKED. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 10:33, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Powers and abilities: WP:WAF et cruft

Dear fellow Wikipedians, if trying to establish Storm's superpowers, stay concise. Cruft will be deleted as of WP:WAF, and for the rest, use WP:CITE/WP:FOOT/WP:NOR please. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 13:55, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

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Fair use rationale for Image:Storm-Forge.JPG

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Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot (talk) 06:34, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

updated fair use info; tag has been removed.Bookkeeperoftheoccult (talk) 09:52, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Storm-bigcostume2.jpg

Image:Storm-bigcostume2.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot (talk) 06:34, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

updated fair use info; tag has been removed.Bookkeeperoftheoccult (talk) 09:52, 24 January 2008 (UTC)