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New Inverted Figure Four Submission Finisher

Shawn debuted a new version of the figure four this past Monday on RAW to Trevor Murdoch by executing a feint Sweet Chin Music into the move. This should be added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.191.86.225 (talk) 10:39, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It looked like he was going to do the Sharpshooter, left everyone to breathe, then tranisitioned it in a way which the commentators could only descibe as an "inverted figure four leglock". There's one problem, though; there does not seem to be an appropriate entry on the list of Professional wrestling holds. Check the vid here: http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/videos/ ^Dlae│_here 17:29, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've linked the move to the Leg-and-ankle lock. ^Dlae│_here 17:35, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He's only used it once. There is no way to know if he will use it on a regular basis and to say he will is crstalballing (which is not allowed). I am removing it, do not put it back unless he uses it on several occasions. TJ Spyke 21:05, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He attempted to use it again on the January 21, 2008 edition of RAW on Mr. Kennedy. I am not sure whether it was actually applied, but it looks as it will be used from now on. Probably not as frequently as Sweet Chin Music. GuffasBorgz7 (talk) 13:13, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't matter, he didn't use it, so its still not notable. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 20:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He used it again this week and apparently he uses it next week on Jeff Hardy. I think it's fair to say it is part of his arsenal if he continues to use it or attempts to used it week after week. (Winston Deckard) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.127.220.65 (talk) 04:42, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok the move is listed on wrestling holds page as a modified figure four leglock. Should we just go with that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WinstonDeckard (talk • contribs) 07:46, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Picture

I realize there their are limitations on what pictures can be used on here, but that picture that is currently up there is horrible looking. There has to be one that better than that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.107.217.175 (talk) 14:23, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pardon? Which one? Zenlax ^T ^C ^S 17:00, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The main one above his stats and info. 75.107.217.175 (talk) 23:15, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do you happen to own a free-use image of Michaels? -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 01:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you dont, then this picture stays, helps the article, ;). Ni mi Ti z_e 01:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

KEnnedy-HBK Feud......

Small Text Since jerichos return, michaels started feuding with kennedy right? why doesnt anybody mention that??202.175.228.105 (talk) 15:31, 21 January 2008 (UTC)lordzeus[reply]

If the feud doesn't last long, its not notable. If it does last long, it will be added. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 15:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It has almost been 2 months. I think it can be added. Lex ^T/_C Guest Book 02:40, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

its been 2 and a half months.. add it.

142.162.191.122 (talk) 15:03, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Now that I see it, what exactly did Michaels gain in his feud with Kennedy? -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 01:43, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Win and a loss. Sexy Sea Shark 16:39, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Defensive wording of back injury

The article currently states: "He was inactive from in-ring competition from 1998-2002 due to a legitimate severe back injury." A legitimate back injury? What other kinds of severe back injuries are there? What, people are going to think it was an angle if you don't put "legitimate" in there? He was out for four years! Just call it a severe back injury and be done with it. 69.215.146.236 (talk) 13:26, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can you Repeat that, I didn't really understand. Ni mi Ti z_e 01:02, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do we really need to be sarcastic? -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 01:57, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Needs to be updated!!!!!!!!!!

Many of WWE superstars pages have not been updated. i have updated Umaga and JBL but there are HEAPS MORE!!!! Please tell everyone!!!!! 14:42 28 January 2008 (UTC)

And what exactly needs to be updated? -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 04:07, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And please sign your posts. (Sawyer (talk) 06:02, 2 February 2008 (UTC))[reply]

when i say upate i mean information after armageddon 06:02, 2 February 2008 (UTC))

Well I did update it but Blue reverted it. =)--TrU Co ⁹31¹ 01:45, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Truco, what you added, was the fact that he participated at the Royal Rumble, as we all saw, he didn't win the Rumble, which doesn't make it notable to add to the article. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 02:07, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A match at the Royal Rumble is notable. It should be added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.146.198 (talk) 08:17, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Don't know if this helps in the notable department, but while Shawn did not win the Rumble of 2007, he and Undertaker did go a good long while as the final two before Shawn was finally eliminated. Then, in a weirdly cool irony, in 2008, they started the Rumble (Shawn drew #2) going some 30-odd minutes before eliminating Undertaker then quickly being eliminated right after by Kennedy. Smobro68 (talk) 09:56, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If he would have won it, then it would be mentioned in the article. But since he didn't win it, its pointless to add it to the article. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 22:57, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ok maybe not the rumble but what about the with kennedy, armeggeddon, Raw 15 century an beating trevor for spot at the rumble. its been months till this was updated!!!--Fhassan (talk) 21:28, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's because nothing notable has happened in months. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 21:36, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 04:45, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Except for the new submission Michael's has been using. But since I am inept at editing someone else needs to do it.WinstonDeckard (talk) 23:06, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Even though the Rumble was not notable, what, your going to say "Shawn Michaels enter in #30 AT THE 2008 Royal Rumble, and got eliminated by Kennedy", even that won't make sense. Ni mi Ti z_e 23:58, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt that would be added in the article. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 00:54, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yea I know, that's why I pointed out even if it was notable, it wouldn't make sense. Ni mi Ti z_e 00:56, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mabye this article would get a update after No Way Out, if Michaels wins the Chamber match, or at Wrestlemania 24, if something big happens. Yea, we know that the article does not have updates, but it matters if its notable, or if its week by week. Ni mi Ti z_e 01:00, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

i may not be a big influence around here, but here is a list of things that i think should be included

Notable fueds
Pay-per-veiw matches
Qualifications (eg. Royal Rumble)

If you don't agree please let me know User:Edgebelow (talk) 16:05, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with the qualification for the Royal rumble being added. Qualifying fot the rumble is not notable at all. It's notable if you win the rumble, but other than that, no to qualifying matches. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 17:20, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, qualifications are non-notable. Unless an elimination or an action within the Rumble match sparks a feud between two wrestlers, or is continued within the Rumble match (such as Chavo vs. Punk this year), the match itself is non-notable unless they win. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 19:30, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The only thing notable that would happen so far, if Michaels qualifys for the Money in The Bank AT Wrestlemania AND wins it. Ni mi Ti ze 17:30, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He's facing Ric Flair at WrestleMania. Sexy Sea Shark 17:33, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New Move

Somebody please add the new finisher of Shawn michaels. The Submission manuevre that looks like a Modified figure four leglock. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oliver3 (talk • contribs) 13:29, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Finisher? Sexy Sea Shark 16:39, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

According to JR, the move is called "Almost a version of an Indian Deathlock, with some Figure 4 principles". I propose it be added under that name. Tnova4 (talk) 07:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I say we add the new submission the way it's being called in the Wrestling Holds page, which is a modified figure four. Simply for continuity purposes.WinstonDeckard (talk) 05:07, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The move yes, but not as a finisher. Zenlax ^T ^C ^S 14:53, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hasn't he started using the crippler crossface as one of his finishers also? 129.67.39.147 (talk) 14:54, 18 February 2008 (UTC)Icosahedron[reply]

I believe he's used it about once in the last couple of months, so that would be a no. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 17:33, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

His reverse figure four or whatever it is should be added. No to the crossface, he's used it twice in the past few months, both times unsuccessfully. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 17:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I personally call it a "Sit-down inverted Sharpshooter" since its applied initially like a Sharpshooter but then he pulls their extended leg under his arm, pins their knee with his knee and sits down. All the same I've never seen anything like it before. SuperSonicTH (talk) 03:30, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He used the crossface on Umaga (dually with Jericho executing his Walls Of Jericho) during the Raw Elimination Chamber at No Way Out 2008. The new submission finisher was used on Lance Cade on Raw February 25, 2008. Had Trevor Murdoch not interfered causing a DQ, Shawn could have won by submission. Smobro68 (talk) 11:11, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Very true, but its not notable if will continue using either both submission moves. Zenlax ^T ^C ^S 21:09, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New Honor To Add

Just got a copy of Pro Wrestling Illustrated, and the Shawn Michaels vs. John Cena 4/23/07 Raw match was voted Match Of The Year. Though the runner-up listings aren't posted, but their Wrestlemania match was voted second-runner up. At one time there was a little tidbit that said he's had the most MOTY winners; the count is now 8 and no one seems close to that mark. Smobro68 (talk) 09:51, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And your point is? Ni mi Ti z_e 01:33, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please assume good faith, NimiTize. Smbro, WP:PW consensus is that PWI awards are not notable enough to be added. Cheers, Gavyn Sykes (talk) 01:41, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well I don't disagree with Gavyn, but since when has that policy been enforced?--TrU Co ⁹31¹ 01:45, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I brought this up because all of his other PWI honors are listed. Just looking for an update. Smobro68 (talk) 11:08, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New Moves?

HBK Has been Using the Crippler Cross Face, He used it At No Way Out in the EC And On Randy Orton At Survivor Series And a Couple Other Times, should'int be Listed?, And Another Thing i havent Seen Him Use the Lou Thesz press In a long time so i really dont think that should be there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.168.196.73 (talk) 07:39, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is being discussed above. But he has used the Crossface all of TWICE, neither time actually making his opponent submit, so it's not a notable move. As far as the Lou Thesz press, I have no idea, so we'll have to wait for other opinions. :) Gavyn Sykes (talk) 16:30, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

During his feud with Edge and Orton, he used the Lou Thesz press. And that's a long time ago. Sexy Sea Shark 17:22, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Match With Flair?

Hey Guys i Was Reading HBK'S Page and The Last Update Was the Match With Orton which was Alittle While Ago, And With his Up Coming Match Vs Ric Flair i think that should be there i mean come on All the People who is in the Money in the Bank have it on their's And This is probly Going to be the Best Match there i think it's a little un fair not to have it there And i understand it's an upcoming thing but still the Jeff Hardy,Mr. K, Ect have it on theres. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.168.196.73 (talk) 01:10, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No future events, Wiki is not a news site. Wiki is an online encyclopedia. Thank You.--TrU Co ⁹31¹ 01:14, 29 February 2008(UTC)

Thats my point Sir, No Futrue events? Please Re-Read what i Said first On Jeff's Page it talks about him going in the Money in the Bank and all the other peoples pages that are in it do you get me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.168.196.73 (talk • contribs)

Please sign your posts. I don't know about the MITB, but all I know is that future events are not allowed to be added in the articles. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 02:20, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Flair opened the challenge to Michaels for a match at Wrestlemania 24 on the February 25, 2008, edition of Raw (after a match between Shawn and Lance Cade). Shawn, citing reluctance to follow through and be the one labeled as the one who retired Flair by way of the "edict" set in motion by Vince McMahon, politely turns him down at first. Flair, citing that just because Shawn will face him does not mean it's a given that he will lose and retire, and that "all of the respect (Michaels paid Flair when announcing Flair as a Hall Of Fame inductee) means nothing if you don't give me an opportunity to have the greatest match of my career on the grandest stage of all", persuades Shawn to accept the challenge. There hasn't been much in the way of follow-up but everything seems positive about it so far.