User talk:Djsasso

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Deletion Review Request

Please review the deletion of the article on Transformation (South Africa). Transformation is in fact a policy of the government of South Africa and I believe that people should know what that means and how it is implemented. For this reason, I think the information is necessary and should be in the Wikipedia. I hope that we can debate the truth and accuracy of the article and fix that, rather than deleting it entirely. -Squiose 8:35 11 February 2008 —Preceding comment was added at 08:43, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Mickey Renaud

Djsasso there is no question of your "wiki-competency" but for an Italian you still have multitudes to learn about respect. catauro (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 09:32, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I am not Itallian, and I do know about respect. But I do thank you for your comment. -Djsasso (talk) 14:58, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Calgary Independent Film Festival

I don't understand why it's no consensus or even why you closed, the debate was not up for too long and there hasn't been any support for keep, so I'm not entirely sure why you closed as "no consensus". The Dominator (talk) 00:06, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Mostly because there was only one comment to delete and it was up for 8 days which is already a few days past the normal closing time. And living in Calgary I know how huge a festival it is. I probably could have just relisted it I suppose for more feedback. -Djsasso (talk) 03:13, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Are you sure you're not mixing it up with Calgary International Film Festival? The article that was up for deletion was about an obscure super8 and 16mm amateur film contest. And what I initially thought is that you should have relisted, in fact, the article about the organization that hosts the contest was deleted a few months ago. The Dominator (talk) 06:17, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Both festivals are rather large, but are for different types of films, one is for independent films and the other while still not mainstream films tends to be films by major studios. The festival in the article is one of the biggest independent festivals in North America of its type, so not so obscure. But being the lack of a clear decision either way, I felt it was best to just close it as no-consensus. -Djsasso (talk) 06:48, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I honestly doubt that the "100$ festival" is one of the largest in North America. You think I could just nominate it for AfD again? And don't think I don't know, I live in Airdrie. The Dominator (talk) 14:45, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Personally I wouldn't, it should be easy enough to find multiple independant articles about the festival, which is all it needs to meet WP:N and WP:V. Size isn't really even an issue, it just has to have multiple independant sources and be verifiable. And I am sure the papers have given it more than a few articles over the decades its been around. I will look some up today. -Djsasso (talk) 16:15, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

You can try, I'm kind of doubtful though. Of course, if secondary sources are found I have no objection to the article staying, the only reason I listed it was because there weren't any. The Dominator (talk) 23:09, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Well I placed three independant sources that popped up right away, I am sure I could find other articles about the subject as well if I kept looking. At any rate its atleast as notable as any of the other festivals in Category:Festivals in Alberta. -Djsasso (talk) 23:31, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

All right. The Dominator (talk) 14:33, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

The Xeno Project

Can you userfy the latest revision of The Xeno Project as I only have an older copy of the article but not the most recent one, thanks in advance. --Pizzahut2 (talk) 02:04, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Sure its at User:Pizzahut2/The Xeno Project. -Djsasso (talk) 03:16, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Relisting AfDs

Hi. :) I know this was probably just an oversight, but I note that when you relisted Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeff Green (editor-in-chief), you didn't remove it from the original date. I've done so now, but I wanted to point it out to you just in case it was a requirement of which you were unaware. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:08, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Diacritics

You've broken me. Diacritize any hockey article, you want. GoodDay (talk) 16:26, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

That's why a bunch of us warned you to stay away from such hot issues. Because it only makes people frustrated and we lose an otherwise good editor. I would like to see you stay, but if its not fun for you then maybe you should leave for awhile. -Djsasso (talk) 16:31, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not having fun anymore (my loss), that's why I've left the hockey articles. The diacritics oppression is too much & yes I know all about the Wiki guidelines (they were 'forced' on editors like me). The little 'swiggles' & 'dots' are tolerable, but the 'squares' are overkill. GoodDay (talk) 17:02, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Squares are usually your computer not having the right font to display the particular character. -Djsasso (talk) 17:04, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

They're overkill. The English alphabet has been hacked to bits, to appease Europeans. Now that the diacritics are here at English Wikipedia, they'll never be removed. GoodDay (talk) 17:08, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

But the point is those words aren't English. You can't just remove diacritics and make them English, that is not how you translate words. We aren't hacking the English alphabet up because those words are not English. Just like we use Elitserien for the name of the SEL. That isn't a translation either, but because it's a proper name it is appropriate to use the Swedish name. -Djsasso (talk) 17:18, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry Dj. Call it xenophobia, linguisticphobia etc; I have a hatred for 'diacritics'. I simply don't agree with having them 'forced' on English Wikipedia. Anyways, we (not suprisingly) disagree on this topic. You can't begin to appreciate the venum I have for these foreign symbols. Thus my reason (again) for droping out of the Hockey articles. GoodDay (talk) 17:30, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

If they weren't intended to be used on Wikipedia they wouldn't put all the links at the bottom for you to add them. It really is as simple as that. I don't know why you have so much issue with it, it really doesn't harm you. You still know exactly what is being talked about. Personally it just seems like you want to pick a fight about something, and this is the topic you latched on to. -Djsasso (talk) 17:37, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Fight over? no, not anymore. I've even withdrew from the discussion at Wikipedia: Naming conventions (use English). To fight over it is futile. GoodDay (talk) 17:42, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

PS- If you want the last word here, you've got it. GoodDay (talk) 17:45, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm back (for discussion, not editing) & with a calmer attitude. Seeing as 'diacritics' are allowed on North American hockey player biographies; why not remove/hide diacritics from North American hockey team articles? As you've noticed, there's been increasing edit warring on 'some' North American NHL player pages (which has surprised me). I just want to stress again, I'm not a troublemaker. GoodDay (talk) 17:24, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Because there will never been a better solution than there is now, because as we can see with Elrith, there are users outside the project who don't have to follow our guidelines. As always I just want to protect the easy truce and not try and tinker with it which as you just saw causes arguments that need not happen. -Djsasso (talk) 20:45, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I've contacted Elrith (still waiting for his reply, as he's currently signed out). It may be possible to 'tweak' the compromise further. I do this at the risk of upsetting editors who (like me) oppose diacritics. I understand aswell, that as an Administrator (this time around), you've got to uphold rules as you see them. But many will point out, that there's never been a 'consensus' on Wikipedia for usage or non-usage of diacritics (I'm one of the many). GoodDay (talk) 20:57, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Well that is sort of my point, there is no rule one way or the other, so people outside the project are more than welcome to add or remove them as they see fit. So are project members for that matter. That being said, it is civil if you are part of the project to maintain our guidelines, so I and others, you as well have done this. The only issue however, comes down to if people start edit warring on articles, that IS a violation. Personally I never add diacritics to articles even though I support them being there, I can't say that I have ever actually added them. I do however, revert someone removing them if I see it or the other way around. -Djsasso (talk) 21:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I think 'Alaney2k' may have a solution for the non-North American player pages. He's been adding the English usage of those players names, next to the 'mother country' usage. He may be onto something, take a peek (mind you, Krm500 doesn't like it). GoodDay (talk) 21:27, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Personally, I think that makes the lead paragraph messy, but I won't undo what he has done. If you guys feel the need to do that sort of thing I won't stop you. I still don't see why its so hard to just ignore the diacritics. The other problem with this is that Common English Spelling is misleading. -Djsasso (talk) 21:31, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

But, it is common English spelling (which is my core point). GoodDay (talk) 21:40, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

And I don't believe it is. That is the whole point behind this arguement. It is just people being lazy and not making 3 more key strokes when typing the name, that isn't a different spelling, that's just being lazy. -Djsasso (talk) 21:43, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

But, that's your PoV (as to why editors like me oppose the dios). It's undisputable that (for example) Teemu Selänne is 'more commonly' Teemu Selanne in English. GoodDay (talk) 21:49, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

And that is your PoV. It's a proper name, just because it is spelled wrong in a number of places, does not make it correct. People spell the words "a lot" as alot all the time, but one is correct and one is incorrect, but its extreme common ussage does not make it right. -Djsasso (talk) 21:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

But, I'm not arguing about 'correct' vs 'incorrect'. I'm pushing for 'common usage in the English language. PS: You've gottan admit? Visnovsky's spelling (with the squares) is 'overkill'. GoodDay (talk) 22:00, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Again Visnovsky doesn't use squares. Your computer is working improperly. It uses symbols that look like apostrophe's and then little ones that look like u's or v's. -Djsasso (talk) 22:02, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

My computer works fine; please reconsider, Djsasso. GoodDay (talk) 22:13, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I am being serious, squares appear when your browser is having trouble with a font being used. I work in IT, so I have fixed this issue a few times on peoples computers. If I could post pictures on here I would show you a screen shot of what most people see when they look at his article. Again I don't care if he add's that stuff, I think he should just discuss it first. -Djsasso (talk) 22:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Come to think of it, if you are seeing squares on alot of these people, then maybe that is why you hate them so much there could be a much simpler solution for you. -Djsasso (talk) 22:21, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Would it hide the dios as well? GoodDay (talk) 22:31, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm curious. Would Elrith (and editors, like him) have something on their computers to make them see diacritics, if English Wikipedia didn't have them? GoodDay (talk) 22:40, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Nope they wouldn't be cause its a whole different character. What the issue is, is your default font doesn't include the diacritics it needs for Visnovskys name. I am actually surprised whatever you are using doesn't cause his aren't really all that strange. I am thinking at some point if you added a theme or something on your computer it probably changed your font from the default windows font to a new one. Unfortunately ther eis no way to hide them other than to remove the font that sees them, but doing that as you have seen will just cause squares. -Djsasso (talk) 22:45, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Again though. Would a computer with diacritics keys (say a Czech computer) be able to create diacritics on these articles for themselves, if the dios weren't on English Wikipedia? In otherwords, if the article 'Teemu Selanne' were in common-English? could a Czech computer create those dios (for itself). GoodDay (talk) 22:50, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't believe so. They would just see the same letters as how they were originally typed. The big thing to understand with diacritics is that é and e for example are not the same letter. They are completely different letters. It's not just simply adding an accent to the e. So no I don't believe it would change automatically. -Djsasso (talk) 22:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Tis a tragedy, for both sides. GoodDay (talk) 23:00, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Needs fixing

You need a rewording: The guidelines at Wikipedia: WikiProject Ice Hockey & at Wikipedia: WikiProject Ice Hockey/Team pages format concerning no-dicaritics? aren't in sync. The former says all North Amercian articles, where's the latter contradicts that. Not here to complain, just to point out inconsistancy. GoodDay (talk) 16:02, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind. GoodDay (talk) 22:08, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Diacritics

A policy change? When did citynames allow special characters? I know that the spelling of cities are different, but allowing diacritics is allowing some cities to have their 'native' spelling, and not others. It's an odd compromise. Alaney2k (talk) 19:29, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

There hasn't been a change, the policy is to leave the cities as the native names, unless there is a pure english translation. ie a completely different spelling. Just removing diacritics is not a translation. -Djsasso (talk) 19:31, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

What are we going to do for some obscure town in Korea? (As an example) I missed this discussion, I thought it was that team pages use no diacritics. What about using the birthplace as listed at the NHL? Alaney2k (talk) 19:33, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

The only reason the compromise happened for player names is that on jersey's there are no diacrtics. However, when you start mangling names of whole cities, that could lead to people being insulted. -Djsasso (talk) 19:35, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

But, how do names like Kiev get through then? It's Kyiv, according to the page? What do we do about that? Alaney2k (talk) 19:37, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Because those are actual translations as I mentioned. Removing a diacritic is not a translation, its a mis-spelling. -Djsasso (talk) 19:38, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

The translation became accepted. Anyway, so is the plan to put diacritics on all the city names that have them natively? Where do we look up a translation? It seems that the biography of players we get from the NHL is a translation. Alaney2k (talk) 19:45, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

The NHL & NHLPA official websites fall under Wikipedia:Verifiablity. -- GoodDay (talk) 19:39, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Except that they don't for spelling, this has been established numerous times that you can't use websites like that to source spelling, because the webmaster will use whatever seems natural to themselves. -Djsasso (talk) 19:40, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Sure, but a lot of translations are simply misspellings. Or start out that way. Where do we find the definitive spelling for Meszaros' hometown? Alaney2k (talk) 19:45, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

As I told GoodDay are year ot so ago, I would just let sleeping dogs lie. There will never be a full consensus and its best to just respect the uneasy truce. -Djsasso (talk) 19:48, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

It still seems an odd compromise. That of changing player names to use whatever was used when they came over (certainly the case in numerous NHL players), but not accept the spellings the NHL uses for their hometowns. Mistakes will happen, that should not rule out going to the NHL for the source. Alaney2k (talk) 19:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

My apologies Dj (at least we haven't deterioted to insulting each other directly). 'Frustratingly' I'm resigned to the 'fact', that you're (meaning, pro-dios) not gonna budge on those 'birthplaces' on the NHL team articles (despite the NHL & NHLPA sources) -please, don't repeat why?-. GoodDay (talk) 22:04, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Yup there will not be any movement I am sure. I don't accept those venues as souces because they also use US English for things that I feel should be Canadian English, considering the game was invented in Canada. So they don't have a great track record for being correct. It's just the company that makes those websites is based in the US, so will be created by people used to that way of typing. -Djsasso (talk) 22:06, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Take a peek at Wikipedia: Naming conventions (use English). I've proposed seperation of English Wikipedia into 'two' English Wikipedias (one with dios & one without). GoodDay (talk) 22:14, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject: HOCKEY

Hazelorb suggested having a vote somewhere. It reminded of a 'vote' that we took concerning North American & Non-North American hockey articles (players & teams). Problem is, the compromise that was agreed upon, was never fully respected. If you recall, yourself & Krm500 resisted the 'North American half of the compromise'. I'll continue to respect the Non-North American half of the deal (include dios; that goes for all Non NA player bios & teams); if you guys will respect the 'North American half of the compromise' (exclude dios; that goes for all NA players & teams). Help me Djsasso, help us get it right this time. GoodDay (talk) 16:31, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Whoa no one ever agreed to players, and no one every will. That is the biggest part of the issue is player pages. -Djsasso (talk) 16:37, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

If I can accept dios on 'Non-North American player & team pages'; you can accept no-dios on the North American player & team pages. GoodDay (talk) 16:40, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Again I don't know if you understand why I am against removing them, for me its not about an annoyance like it seems to be for you. It's about removing them being an insult to players. It is messing with someone's name. I know if someone went and spelled my name incorrectly just because they didn't like the look of the letter "e" for example that I would be extremely insulted. I don't believe we have the right to mess with their names, which is why I won't ever accept removing them from player pages. And just so everyone is clear as usual, I never add dios to the text of player pages unless its a revert of someone removing them, so its hardly like I have banned them from the pages. So don't make me out to be a censoring monster cause I barely even pay attention to diactritics untill they are brought up by someone else. -Djsasso (talk) 16:42, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

It hurts their feelings?, that is a sentimental concern. If we let such concerns influence Wikipedia? There'd be no article Northern Ireland or British Isles. I do understand your concerns, I just don't think they have a place here. If 'Joe Sakic' is spelt differently on the Finnish Wikipedia? I'm sure he wouldn't be insulted. Let's adjust the compromise as it should be 'North American hockey articles withou dios' & 'Non North American hockey articles with dios'. Allow me to 'police' the NA hockey articles and Elrith to police the Non-NA hockey articles, to help insure it sticks. GoodDay (talk) 16:54, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

There is a difference between being spelled differently and removing diacritics. If there is a translation to english I am all for the translation. I am completely ok with a translation. Removing diacritics are not a translation. Secondly, as has been mentioned, we really have no right to make such declarations that affect multiple wikiprojects and the encyclopedia in general. The only reason I agreed to the last compromise was to stop revert wars, I have no intention of accepting any direct guidelines on the subject. No policing so to speak. And hurting feelings is simplifying the arguement a bit. (my comment about feelings on the project page was editors feelings). All this wasted energy on this arguement could be used to fix more important things on the project. There are millions of things that are in dire need of fixing and yet here we are flogging a dead horse that will never change. -Djsasso (talk) 17:11, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Why is 50/50 such a dirty word, on the hockey articles? Keep dios on Non-NA hockey articles & Remove/hide dios on the NA hockey articles. In fact if you add them up, there's way more Non NA then NA hockey articles. I'm offering 50/50 split, please accept it. GoodDay (talk) 17:24, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't care about the team articles and whatnot, I already gave you those. But there are way more NA player pages than international player pages. Think of all the NHL, AHL, ECHL players etc. I don't see why we need to tinker with the current solution, its been working for a year now. -Djsasso (talk) 17:27, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

You did not give us (pro-English usage editors) all the NA team articles. GoodDay (talk) 17:38, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Also, not all NHL, AHL, ECHL players etc, are NA players. GoodDay (talk) 17:45, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I thought you meant players who played in North America. -Djsasso (talk) 17:49, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

No problem; again though, you did not give up all the NA hockey team articles, to having their dios removed/hidden. GoodDay (talk) 18:05, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Just letting you know. Though I strongly disagree with you (plural) pro-dios. I hold no grudge against you, Krm500, Elrith etc. I hope we meet out their among non-hockey articles, in a more cooperative atmosphere. PS: Am I leaving 'yet' again?GoodDay (talk) 22:51, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

A brief break

From Project Hockey. The movie Fast Times at Ridgemont High. I thought I'd split a gut, when Linda caught Brad in the bathroom, umm 'daydreaming' about her. His response was classic: Doesn't anybody xxx knock, anymore?. GoodDay (talk) 23:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

hockey rvs

Don't give them more to complain about... I'm going to request mediation if I'm allowed so if you stop reverting it would be better. Maybe? Hazelorb (talk) 18:43, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

They are all already reverted now, and don't bother with mediation. This arguement comes and goes on the hockey project rather frequently. Neither side has gotten to the point of blows so there probably isn't really a point yet, there has been much worse debates in the past. -Djsasso (talk) 18:46, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I've been around since 2005 so I have seen it all. I'm sick of it. Hopefully your reverts don't spur up some kind of edit war. Hazelorb (talk) 18:52, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Guy Carbonneau

Did you not notice that my edit was more then just adding numbers. You should have just deleted the numbers. Kingjeff (talk) 16:59, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Jacques Martin

I can ganrantee you that the article has inaccurancies. According to his stats table, he hasn't coached 1,000 games. Kingjeff (talk) 17:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

It very well might, but in the interest of not making it worse we don't add new seasons till the season is complete. You are more than welcome to fix the previous seasons if you wish. -Djsasso (talk) 17:04, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

It appears actually that it is cause it is missing the 160 games he coached for the St. Louis Blues. -Djsasso (talk) 17:06, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

But there is still a problem with games coached in the table and his wins, losses, OT Losses and ties. Kingjeff (talk) 17:10, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

The wins, losses, overtime losses and ties only total 958 games coached, not over 1,000 like the games goached column says. Kingjeff (talk) 20:00, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok, when I get a chance later I will go through the list of outcomes and figure out where the error was. -Djsasso (talk) 20:01, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I corrected it. The totals weren't added up correctly. Kingjeff (talk) 20:07, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I just edit conflicted with you when I went to fix them. :) -Djsasso (talk) 20:08, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Coaches career table

I've notced that some coaching tables don't include wins, losses and winning percentage for playoffs. Is this standard? I prefer to add the playoff stats along with the regular season stats. Kingjeff (talk) 17:14, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

We only just started adding coaching tables to pages. I believe the Guy Carbonneau article was the standard we used for creating tables. So it does include them. Unfortunately coach articles don't get as much attention as player pages so they are a bit more of a mess at the moment, as you have noticed. -Djsasso (talk) 17:16, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Hockey articles

I've returned (a little) to editing hockey articles. It must be a sign of acceptance of the situation at NHL team articles. Uggh, I feel so defeated and controlled. Thanks for helping me keep my passions in check, you've handled the situation admirably (I'm not being sarcastic). GoodDay (talk) 18:55, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I know you care about what you argue so I don't begrudge your position. I just don't agree with it. For the most part I try and live by the leave it how you found it method of diacritics. The majority of player pages out there that should have them, don't but I don't go adding them because its not worth the wars that get started by doing so. I am not saying you sould ignore the issue, but personally I think your amazing energy could be put to really good use in other areas. You have alot of passion. -Djsasso (talk) 19:00, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I understand what you're saying (I always have). I actually placed a gag-order on myself, concerning the NHL team articles 'birthplaces'. GoodDay (talk) 19:11, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

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Maps on same sex marriage page

I would hope you knew the policy on what can and cannot be sourced. As discussed and AGREED upon by serveral users and an admin the info within the maps is self made and unsourced. Therefore I will await for you you to rv the page. I would hope that an admin would take the time to review all info before acting.Thright (talk) 17:06, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

As was mentioned to you in the past, being self made does not mean it should be removed from Wikipedia. In fact Self-Made is encouraged to be used on wikipedia. -Djsasso (talk) 17:26, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

you missed the point, if you read the discussion you would know that the map CONTAINS info, INFO that is not source. SEE the DIFFERENCE?Thright (talk) 17:29, 17 March 2008 (UTC)