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New Move

Somebody please add the new finisher of Shawn michaels. The Submission manuevre that looks like a Modified figure four leglock. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oliver3 (talk • contribs) 13:29, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Finisher? Sexy Sea Shark 16:39, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

According to JR, the move is called "Almost a version of an Indian Deathlock, with some Figure 4 principles". I propose it be added under that name. Tnova4 (talk) 07:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I say we add the new submission the way it's being called in the Wrestling Holds page, which is a modified figure four. Simply for continuity purposes.WinstonDeckard (talk) 05:07, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The move yes, but not as a finisher. Zenlax ^T ^C ^S 14:53, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hasn't he started using the crippler crossface as one of his finishers also? 129.67.39.147 (talk) 14:54, 18 February 2008 (UTC)Icosahedron[reply]

I believe he's used it about once in the last couple of months, so that would be a no. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 17:33, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

His reverse figure four or whatever it is should be added. No to the crossface, he's used it twice in the past few months, both times unsuccessfully. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 17:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I personally call it a "Sit-down inverted Sharpshooter" since its applied initially like a Sharpshooter but then he pulls their extended leg under his arm, pins their knee with his knee and sits down. All the same I've never seen anything like it before. SuperSonicTH (talk) 03:30, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He used the crossface on Umaga (dually with Jericho executing his Walls Of Jericho) during the Raw Elimination Chamber at No Way Out 2008. The new submission finisher was used on Lance Cade on Raw February 25, 2008. Had Trevor Murdoch not interfered causing a DQ, Shawn could have won by submission. Smobro68 (talk) 11:11, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Very true, but its not notable if will continue using either both submission moves. Zenlax ^T ^C ^S 21:09, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New Honor To Add

Just got a copy of Pro Wrestling Illustrated, and the Shawn Michaels vs. John Cena 4/23/07 Raw match was voted Match Of The Year. Though the runner-up listings aren't posted, but their Wrestlemania match was voted second-runner up. At one time there was a little tidbit that said he's had the most MOTY winners; the count is now 8 and no one seems close to that mark. Smobro68 (talk) 09:51, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And your point is? Ni mi Ti z_e 01:33, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please assume good faith, NimiTize. Smbro, WP:PW consensus is that PWI awards are not notable enough to be added. Cheers, Gavyn Sykes (talk) 01:41, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well I don't disagree with Gavyn, but since when has that policy been enforced?--TrU Co ⁹31¹ 01:45, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I brought this up because all of his other PWI honors are listed. Just looking for an update. Smobro68 (talk) 11:08, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New Moves?

HBK Has been Using the Crippler Cross Face, He used it At No Way Out in the EC And On Randy Orton At Survivor Series And a Couple Other Times, should'int be Listed?, And Another Thing i havent Seen Him Use the Lou Thesz press In a long time so i really dont think that should be there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.168.196.73 (talk) 07:39, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is being discussed above. But he has used the Crossface all of TWICE, neither time actually making his opponent submit, so it's not a notable move. As far as the Lou Thesz press, I have no idea, so we'll have to wait for other opinions. :) Gavyn Sykes (talk) 16:30, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

During his feud with Edge and Orton, he used the Lou Thesz press. And that's a long time ago. Sexy Sea Shark 17:22, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

as i stated on the triple h discussion page it seems a lot of people have been using the crossface in their matches, i think it might be a silent tribute to chris benoit, if you watch backlash again, i noticed, almost everymatch had a crossface applied at one point. Darcphoenix2 (talk) 04:45, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

POV. Sexy Sea Shark 16:45, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Match With Flair?

Hey Guys i Was Reading HBK'S Page and The Last Update Was the Match With Orton which was Alittle While Ago, And With his Up Coming Match Vs Ric Flair i think that should be there i mean come on All the People who is in the Money in the Bank have it on their's And This is probly Going to be the Best Match there i think it's a little un fair not to have it there And i understand it's an upcoming thing but still the Jeff Hardy,Mr. K, Ect have it on theres. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.168.196.73 (talk) 01:10, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No future events, Wiki is not a news site. Wiki is an online encyclopedia. Thank You.--TrU Co ⁹31¹ 01:14, 29 February 2008(UTC)

Thats my point Sir, No Futrue events? Please Re-Read what i Said first On Jeff's Page it talks about him going in the Money in the Bank and all the other peoples pages that are in it do you get me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.168.196.73 (talk • contribs)

Please sign your posts. I don't know about the MITB, but all I know is that future events are not allowed to be added in the articles. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 02:20, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Flair opened the challenge to Michaels for a match at Wrestlemania 24 on the February 25, 2008, edition of Raw (after a match between Shawn and Lance Cade). Shawn, citing reluctance to follow through and be the one labeled as the one who retired Flair by way of the "edict" set in motion by Vince McMahon, politely turns him down at first. Flair, citing that just because Shawn will face him does not mean it's a given that he will lose and retire, and that "all of the respect (Michaels paid Flair when announcing Flair as a Hall Of Fame inductee) means nothing if you don't give me an opportunity to have the greatest match of my career on the grandest stage of all", persuades Shawn to accept the challenge. There hasn't been much in the way of follow-up but everything seems positive about it so far. The match is also listed as on the card for Wrestlemania 24. http://www.wwe.com/shows/wrestlemania/matches/6464438/preview/ Smobro68 (talk) 12:27, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and? No future events. A match about 6 weeks from now funnily enough is a future event! ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 13:55, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Then how about the Michaels-Kennedy feud which took place between past event Michaels-Orton and future event Michaels-Flair? Not trying to ruffle feathers, but the information is a little behind. Smobro68 (talk) 08:34, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not notable for Michaels, but notable for Kennedy. Sexy Sea Shark 17:04, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

historical smackdown appearance

he appeared on smackdown last week for the first time since 1999 - which was as a special referee on the debut episode, and last week was the first time he ever actually wrestled on the brand, now i think that deserves a mention —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.28.195 (talk) 03:06, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How would that really be important? Note: He made two appearances last year on SmackDown! -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 14:47, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It would be important because HBK hasn't been on smackdown for years and rare appearances are valuable so I think it should be mentioned —Preceding unsigned comment added by BestBenoitFan (talk • contribs) 06:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What exactly has he accomplished in his appearances on SmackDown!? -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 18:37, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Man

Anyone think The Man should be listed in HBK's nicknames?Kirby17 (talk) 16:27, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Uh, no. I have never heard him called that. –L A X 16:58, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Rk OR To N 17:18, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To clear it up, he beat the man (Flair), and now he is The ManKirby17 (talk) 17:25, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But no-one has called him that. I never heard JR/King call him "the man" on Raw, so I say it stays out. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 17:28, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I know. I just wanted to know what you guys thought. Kirby17 (talk) 21:28, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think shawn micheals should be WWE champ and face tripleH for it. Than Shawn keeps the title by beating tripleH. And shawn should get in phisical shape. for a Triple threat match. And Shawn could beat the great the reterning The rock.

Brendan Shipton —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.63.119.87 (talk) 23:33, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

wikipedia is not a forum ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 23:36, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not actually watching RAW, but I read a report that HBK refered to himself as "The Man" Kirby17 (talk) 01:16, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As did I. Zenlax ^T ^C ^S 18:42, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That makes once. I still don't think it should be on the page. If he refers to himself constantly as "the man", i.e. over a period of couple of weeks, and not just as a once off thing then yes, but until then, it's not really a nickname. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 19:09, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Its like Orton, who refers himself as the "One May Dynasty". And, like Nici said, if he continues using the "nickname", then it should be added. But, until then, its not notable to add. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 21:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Crippler Crossface

Now is a signature move of Michaels, please add it. --KingOfDX (talk) 21:12, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How often has he been using it? –L A X 21:23, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

On rare occasions, so it shouldn't be added until it becomes a week by week used moved.--~S R S~ 21:25, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OMG, there's already a thread about this. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 03:18, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm adding it, he's used it on every PPV match hes been in (Bar the Royal Rumble) since Cyber Sunday and on a couple of Raw's too. He's certainly used it more times than his "Modified Figure Four" -- Tobythegreat (talk) 12:02, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Its not one of his moves. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 00:42, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh, he used it AGAIN tonight (Judgment Day 2008), but because it was Benoit's move you guy wont let it be on the page. Can't you realise it's one of his moves now? -- Tobythegreat (talk)

No, not really. Sexy Sea Shark 15:37, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, he used it last night, but is it still notable that he will continue using it? -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 01:41, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I say give it more time, if he continues using it like in every match, then yes, but for now, he only uses it on rare occasions, and doesn't qualify as a signature move.--S R X 02:09, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's exactly what I'm saying. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 02:23, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm gonna have to steal another guy's argument for a second and say that it's used A LOT more often than moves like the modified figure 4, and there's no argument against that being on the list. 3pointswish (talk) 00:52, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There was a discussion about the Modified Figure Four and was added to the list. But, the Crossface is still unknown. If he continues using it, then fine, the Crossface should stay in the list. But, if he stops using it, then it should be removed. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 02:48, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He's used the Crossface far more than the reverse figure four. However, he's never actually won a match with the Crossface, he has with the leg lock. So it's confusing. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 03:17, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, where gonna have to see what happens. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 21:44, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

umm guys...

Backlash has past a long time ago. shouldnt they add something about his match with batista? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.87.188.58 (talk) 11:03, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. That was not a notable feud. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 15:16, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I did add something to the article about the feud and the matches with Chris Jericho but someone removed it, though i dont know why.Skilldog2 (talk) 23:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Its still not notable whether his feud with Batista or Chris Jericho will last. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 02:08, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FMW appearance

Shawn guest refereed a match between H and Darkside Hayabusa, FMW 11.23.99 Special —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.104.226.174 (talk) 21:16, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How's that important to the article? -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 02:01, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It was during his temporary retirement —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.104.226.174 (talk) 14:14, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Did he accomplish something during that run or what? -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 19:48, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, it was a one time appearance, though still notable because of it's surprising nature, and unexpectedness —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.104.226.174 (talk) 17:28, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not really, it would seem to be more like trivia info. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 19:10, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ring names

Shawn Michaels has many ring names such as HBK, The Heart Break Kid, The Show Stopper,and The Main Event. Sean Michaels is not one of them but Sean Michaels is the only ring name on the profile and it won't let me edit the page. Shavon.roberts (talk)SMGRShavon.roberts (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 14:16, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sean Michaels is sourced, and the others are just nicknames, not ringnames. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 15:56, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Personal Life Shawn Michaels curretnly is married in a demestic relationship with a wrestler Triple H. Shawn and Triple H first relized they were ment to be when Shawn whent to Triple H for help because of problums with Shawns wife. They became closer and Shawn as well as Triple H filed divorces with there wifes. Soon aftet they whent to Las Vegas and got married. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Y2Q (talk • contribs) 03:07, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]