Talk:Goran Ivanišević

This article might be better served by having one of the current in-game photos of him replaced with a headshot.

"Yugoslavia"

Some people like to put "Yugoslavia" as country of birth, but Yugoslavia doesn't exist anymore, and it's not important to put up there. In modern times, people put their country of birth as the country which exists today and when they were born. Croatia still existed under Yugoslavia as an autonomous state, so I can't see why Yugoslavia must be listed under countries of birth. This is not similar to situations hundreds of years ago, where certain countries didn't really exist or had proper borders and you would have something like (born under the Ottoman empire, today's Bosnia and Herzegovina). We are talking about times when the country existed in the regime occupying it, and is still the same borders today. If you asked any people where they were born today, they would say "Croatia" or "Bosnia and Herzegovina," etc. My parents were both born under the Yugoslav regime, so their papers said, born ******, Croatia(sometimes), Yugoslavia. But after Croatia's independence, they got new papers from the government saying place of birth, ******, Croatia. I doubt people really care nowadays care whether someone was born during the time of Yugoslavia when they had to put that down as country of birth. I never saw this new Yugo thing before on Wiki ever, and believe some people have a personal adenda that they feel the need to put "yugoslavia" everywhere. If not, please explain your reasoning kindly. Thank you.

Well, not that it's a big deal, but as a point of fact you are wrong. In terms of documenting historical accounts or constructing one's biography you would not insert the political entity of today, you would list the name of the nation that existed at the time of the individual's birth. When discussing the poet Rilke, for example, you would say that he was born in Prague, Bohemia. You would not say Czech Republic because the Czech Republic didn't exist when he was born. Same thing goes for anyone whether we are talking about someone from a long time ago or someone from recent times. Your way makes no sense. What you would refer to as the place of your birth or how your family would define themselves makes no difference, this is an encyclopedia entry and when he was born, the nation he was born in was Yugoslavia. It doesn't matter at all what it is called now. He was born in Yugoslavia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdlund (talk • contribs) 02:18, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

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Trivia section contains a mention of a photo with Bobo Borg - who/what in the world is that?

Official Website

It seems Goran's Official website no longer exists, so I propose the link be removed and possibly removed with unofficial sites which try to provide information about him as a player.

Nationalism

It should be mentioned in this article, that he is an extreme croatian nationalist.

Goran Ivanisevic wasn't a nationalist in the early 1990's. There was an interview with him in 1990 in a famous ex-yugo magazine (NADA) from that time, where he supported united Yugoslavia. He also said that he won't vote (on that year's ellections) for the nationalist party (HDZ), because he doesn't like how they 'think only of Croatia'. It's strange how he later turned into a nationalist. At least he could remain neutral, because nationalist's time in Croatia is running out fast..Cheers!— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.86.124.155 (talk • contribs) 05:47, 13 June 2007

What do you think, child? The police was still beating Croats for too much accentuating of Croathood in that year.
What do you think, that you could in former Yugoslavia say loudly: "I'd like that Yugoslavia goes to hell" or "I'd like to live in independent Croatia." and get away with it just like that?
No, child. Saying that, would result in prompt imprisonement with police torture. Your life and carrier was sealed - stigmated. Deaths weren't rare.
Or, if you were "lighter case", e.g., for a sportsman, that'd mean that that sportsman won't get any invitations to play for national team and permanent ignoration.
"...strange how he later turned into a nationalist".
What do you mean by "nationalist"? A nationally conscious person that openly defends his country and people? Do you have anything against such person?
What "happened", that Ivanišević "changed his attitude"? Croatia became independent nation, Goran could say finally what he wanted to say.
Listen, you anonimous user. You live in a fake world. You can't expect from any Croat to "remain neutral", calm and indifferent, while greaterserbianist forces started an aggression on Croatia.
"Nationalist's time in Croatia is running out fast...".
What do you mean by "nationalist", I ask you again? If you mean that Croats are forgetting to be nationally conscious, you're wrong, child! Wikipedia is not a place to write your "wishie-wishes". Kubura

Yes, wikipedia is also NOT A PLACE TO WRITE LIES, like you do! And what I write is not 'wishie-wishes', but the truth! That's INSANE what you're writing about anyone being 'charged' for saying that he doesn't like Yugoslavia. Yugoslavia was a democratic country, especially in 1990, when it opened to the world and introduced the palamentarian democracy. Moreover, the nationalists that year were the most loud ever, and everyone could say what he liked or disliked. The fact is that most of the normal people liked Yugoslavia and its premier Ante Markovic, who was the most popular politician, especially in Dalmatia! If there were someone, who didn't like Yugoslavia in Dalmatia, those were a few filthy croatian nationalists (very much like you and your collegues-editors of croatian wikipedia)), who were isolated deeply in their world. You're still isolated and live in a fake world, since more and more Croats are recognizing the fact that Yugoslavia, Tito and Partizans are the ones who first created Croatia in its today's borders, and every coming year more and more of them respect that fact. As for the fact that the time of the nationalists in Croatia is running out, you can only see the latest polls on popularity ratings in almost every newspaper in Croatia-where the most popular person is the new SDP leader-Zoran Milanovic. Yes, it might be killing you, but Zoran, the guy who puts Tito before Tudjman, who has Partizans in the family but not Ustashas, and who is open minded and will establish all the broken connections with the former yugoslavian states again, HE IS THE MOST POPULAR LEADER BETWEEN CROATIANS NOW! Together with majority of Croatians, I wish him victory on the coming ellections and him to be a good leader of Croatia in the years to come. Long Live Zoran Milanovic and the growing supporting basis of yours! Cheers!

• Yugoslavia was a democratic country

From which joke you have heard that? LOL P.S. Milanović lost elections !! -piece of nothing!

• *in Dalmatia, those were a few filthy croatian nationalists (very much like you and your collegues-editors of croatian wikipedia))

this example of personal attack illustrates very well how red boys are/were "civilized".

BTW, precisely Dalmatia is the most nationalistic par of Croatia.

--Anto (talk) 13:27, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Removal of pro soccer player line in intro

I removed the description in the introduction of Goran as a "pro football and soccer player." The pages I found online indicated that, because of his famous status in Croatia, he played a few minutes for his hometown team as the fulfillment of a fantasy. I've added links to the section on soccer, but here are some more:

Article in the Guardian saying he will play

BBC article with roughly same info

MrVibrating 00:40, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Other wild card winners?

I'm just curious about something. The second line of the opening credits him as being the only wild card to win 'at Wimbledon.' Have there been wild card players who have won other grand slams? I was just wondering why the sentence is qualified like this because I have never seen or known of anyone else to win any grand slam while being entered as a wild card. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdlund (talk • contribs) 02:07, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Discussion concerning this article

A discussion that may affect the name or title of this article is ongoing here. Please voice any opinions or concerns on that page. After the discussion concludes, this article may be moved to a different title, in accordance with Wikipedia's Naming Conventions. Thank you. Tennis expert (talk) 18:55, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

The name of this article should be changed to "Goran Ivanisevic" because that is the name used on the English-language websites of the official governing bodies of tennis, the Association of Tennis Professionals and the International Tennis Federation. That also is the name used on the English-language website of Wimbledon, the only Grand Slam singles title he won during his career. Tennis expert (talk) 02:36, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

For a general discussion of how to name tennis biographies on English Wikipedia, see this. Tennis expert (talk) 05:58, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose. Goran Ivanišević is his name. That is fact! "Goran Ivanisevic" has no any legal validity.As far as I know usage of diacritics is allowed. --Anto (talk) 15:02, 26 June 2008 (UTC)