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linux belongs to which company
Could you please tellme linux belongs to which company? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.160.70.42 (talk) 09:57, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
- Do you mean 'Linux' as in the subject of this article? Please read the article and it explains that Linux is not a single product, but a name widely used to describe a collection of operating systems that commonly use the Linux kernel. These individual operating systems (distributions) are owned by the companies/people that own them in so much as they own the trademarks for the name. However, much of the software in them is free and as such isn't owned by them. The trademark 'Linux' is owned by the original creator of the kernel, Linus Torvalds. It is licensed by the Linux Mark Institute. All of this is in the article and the article about the kernel. Thanks, -Localzuk(talk) 16:04, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
- Well, by "owned" I assume you mean who owns the copyright. Most free software is copyrighted by the people that wrote it. Everything that is licensed is owned by somebody. Most of GNU is copyright the free software foundation but other free software is copyrighted by thousands if people. So the answer is thousands of people and companies own the copyright to GNU/Linux. -- Borb (talk) 18:00, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
- This mythical association with a company (which I hear often from non-technical people) is one of the reasons to avoid ambiguity by attaching "Linux" to just the kernel itself. Freed42 (talk) 03:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
- Well, by "owned" I assume you mean who owns the copyright. Most free software is copyrighted by the people that wrote it. Everything that is licensed is owned by somebody. Most of GNU is copyright the free software foundation but other free software is copyrighted by thousands if people. So the answer is thousands of people and companies own the copyright to GNU/Linux. -- Borb (talk) 18:00, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
Where did the Rfc go?
Is the "GNU/Linux" Rfc over? Where did the discussion go? I thought it was ongoing. --Gronky (talk) 19:22, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
- I think it's in the archive, I didn't check, did you? The discussion was silent for days, nobody had anything else to add, but feel free to start to beat the dead horse again, I don't have many things to do these days, I could continue the discussion... -- man with one red shoe (talk) 19:31, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
- See the top of the page... "Discussion about Linux vs. GNU/Linux is ongoing on this sub-page. Please do not discuss the name on the current page." 76.10.155.195 (talk) 20:33, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks. I didn't see that infobox among the other ignorable infoboxes. ManWORS: yes, I had checked the archives. --Gronky (talk) 20:52, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
- See the top of the page... "Discussion about Linux vs. GNU/Linux is ongoing on this sub-page. Please do not discuss the name on the current page." 76.10.155.195 (talk) 20:33, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Move Linus' Picture
Linus' Picture should be above Stalin's as Linus is the founder of the project. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 40.0.40.10 (talk) 13:10, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
- Not sure if you're trying to be funny by writing Stalin instead of Stallman... But anyway if you actually read that section then you would realise that the pictures are in chronological order. Stallman started GNU many years before Linus started Linux. -- Borb (talk) 13:45, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
- I've placed them side-by-side now, with the aim of preventing any more bickering over this. If anyone else asks, they're in alphabetical order. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 14:28, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
- Why is RMS' picture bigger? OK, OK, I'm only joking... man with one red shoe (talk) 16:34, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
- I've placed them side-by-side now, with the aim of preventing any more bickering over this. If anyone else asks, they're in alphabetical order. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 14:28, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
- Heh. I'm glad that was brought up in jest. Suffice to say that it's a commons pic, so if someone feels an ALMIGHTY RAGE regarding the width then they can create a version which matches the aspect ratio used in Linus's and we can use that instead. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 18:08, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Claim about history of GNU project needs an adequate footnote
The early history that describes what was missing from the GNU OS has a footnote with inadequate support: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux#cite_note-gnu_history-5
The footnote just mentions a missing kernel, whereas the article claims much more was missing. Freed42 (talk) 03:29, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
- The footnote is somewhat less than objective. We need a better source for this; I'm sure there was a good quote from one of the early GNU kernel hackers regarding this, and there was a really good one I found once which sadly came from MetaFilter (and thus wasn't reliable). Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 08:16, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Flawed lead paragraph needs replacement
The lead paragraph calls "Linux" as an "OS", but then misleadingly mentions it as "an example of FOSS development". Since nearly all distributions of this "OS" contain non-free software (e.g., gNewSense being a rare exception) and since more generally there is such an enormous diversity of groups covered (everything from OpenOffice to companies making non-free add-ons), the "example" phrase is false and devoid of meaning. "Example" would be appropriate here if applied just to the free software subset of the "Linux" kernel (this kernel is always distributed with non-free files).
Similarly, the phrase "typically all underlying source code can be freely..." is also nonsense, since only very few instances (e.g., gNewSense) of the subject of this article have all source code that is freely modifiable, etc. Thus, it's untypical, not typical.
Perhaps a "Linux" enthusiast can replace the lead paragraph with something correct. Freed42 (talk) 04:44, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
- Well, let's look at that sentence: "Linux is one of the most prominent examples of free software and open source development". I think the problem with this sentence is the word "example"; the sentence is being used to indicate that the OS has a prominent mindshare in thinking about FOSS, but "example" rather supposes that it embodies such values. Rather than nitpick over whether it does embody those principles, we could change this to reflect that the public perception is that it does. What about "Linux is one of the most commonly-cited examples of free software and open source development"?
- The second one is even easier. Replace "all" with "almost all". Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 08:14, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
- The second suggestion is indeed an easy fix. The first suggestion needs more attention. First, it is not nitpicking to note the nonsense of what is, in effect, "A massively diverse conglomeration of free and non-free development projects is an example of free software development." Not only do I question the appropriateness of the unqualified emphasis of how a falsehood is widely cited, but I also question the repeated implication in this paragraph that the results represent some kind of unified effort. It not only is false, but never was true. Freed42 (talk) 14:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)