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~29 Sep '03 - ~Mar 6, '04
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Please note: Most of my replies will be written on this talk page, rather than on your talk page.
Also note: It is my policy not to delete or remove dialog from this page. Everything will be saved and archived. Please don't later remove from here what you've written (although, if you do, I will respect your wishes and not restore removed comments.
If I do not reply to you immediately, it is not because I am ignoring you; I might be in the middle of a project on or offline :)
Lastly, a note to banned users who stop by: Stop editing immediately, serve your sentence, and then come back and play nice. I will gladly welcome you back and collaborate with you - once you've served your time properly, and as long as you act accordingly.


William Brewster

I am a former U.S. history teacher and I am a 12th great grandson of William Brewster.

Guess that makes us cousins . . . however many times removed.

I made a comment above, it looks like you far outrank the user I was commenting on as far as your contributions to this crazy online encyclopedia. I too find it addicting, but it comes in waves. There are extended periods when I don't contribute. Hopefully I am getting close to one of my wiki-blackout times.

; ) Cheers,--Utahredrock (talk) 21:39, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Burma-Shave

You've opened an interesting can of shave cream. In fact, The Verse by the Side of the Road has the text of every sign series ever produced. So that's sufficient as a source. There are at least two problems with the list, then. One is that some of the entries ignore the 6-signs aspect and are strung together as 4-line poems plus "Burma-Shave". So that would need to be corrected. The other is the question of which examples are appropriate to use and/or is the list of examples too long. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 13:09, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The book you mention has the text of every sign series, but does that Wikipedia list contain only verified verses from that book, or are there other verses that are in there people have made up themselves? I don't have the book. If you do, can you go through the list and mark the ones that aren't in the book? Do you have the time? Kingturtle (talk) 13:14, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know if I have time *today*, but I was thinking that I should review the list sometime soon, to at least put the "/" in the right places. As part of that process I would be verifying if they actually existed or not. Seems to me the list has grown over time, too. So, at the moment, as long as the item is valid, it could stay on the list? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 13:19, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I know how it is when things are busy. Don't sweat getting it done immediately. But each example needs to be verified. The ones that cannot be verified should either be tagged with {{fact}} or removed all together. In the long run we should probably parse the list down. We don't need a complete list. Kingturtle (talk) 13:24, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The complete list would be a copyright violation, and also a tad long, as there are about 600 of them. It may be that one of the links actually lists all of them, which means we can pare down the article's list a bit to illustrate the types of jingles reference in the article. In fact, the list could be abolished and for each type there could be a couple of examples. I would group them into shaving-related (which is most of them), and safety-related (which became more and more of a theme as time went on), and special mention for the outrageous puns. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 13:33, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I arranged them by year. A few of them were not quite right. I was trying to point out what was different about the ads in addition to whatever was just funny. Not all of the ones there were that funny, either. I also added some that were either funny or different. The next step would be to trim them down, as there are obviously way too many. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 02:39, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WPIX...

...is just the tip of the iceberg, as its talk page indicates. This guy Rollosmokes, as noted in a recent WP:ANI discussion, has decided that The CW doesn't have the right to call itself The CW because it's "grammatically incorrect". He has hit many articles with this obsession, including WGN-TV, which he finally stopped editing because I kept challenging him. His behavior is basically disruptive, exacerbated in part by his insistence that he's smarter than the rest of us about grammar issues. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 14:30, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I did like the fact that for a hot second you had blocked WPIX from editing. :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 14:34, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
He's back and doing it again on another article... TheRealFennShysa (talk) 18:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Kingturtle protected the article. Something has to be done about this guy. He's a zealot, and there's no persuading a zealot. Blocking is the only way. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 18:18, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've posted another incident in WP:ANI, which is actually a continuation of the previous incident, since nothing happened. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 18:26, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pox Party

Fair enough, I've merged what I could see as relevant. CredoFromStart talk 14:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

NisarKand wrote that on Gardez

Take a look at the articles history and you can see that it was NisarKand's IP that wrote that sentence. He was very racist towards Tajiks and there he fakes sources claiming that that guy was leader of Tajiks, which is ridiculous. He is just angry that Pashtuns support Taliban and now he is trying to make Tajiks look bad by faking sources. Just take a look at the history of the article, that 192... IP is NisarKand's, I don't why you don't know that yet. ZhongguoYen (talk) 18:33, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Go away. Serve your sentence, then come back and play nice. Kingturtle (talk) 18:35, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, you know already that Beh-nam got banned because NisarKand made sockpuppets and used them to get him into 3RR trouble.
Secondly, I am adding nice images and quality sourced content and improving articles which is the #1 rule according to Jimbo Wales himself. So I am playing nice, it is you who are not playing nice. You are removing these nice images and removing the quality sourced content, what is the point of doing that? There is absoloutely no point in that, it is counter productive and against Wikipedia's # 1 rule.
Instead you support racist and nonesense edits by NisarKand's IP on Gardez.


You know that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/119.30.76.97 is NisarKand's IP yet you support his edits! I've had enough of you supporting NisarKand! Now I will get Khoikhoi who is a senior admin and familiar with NisarKand involved! And I will also get FuturePerfectSunrise involved and I will expose your countless occasions where you supported NisarKand! You are going to be in big trouble once they found out that you are essentialy proxying for NisarKand!
I reverted to 30 June 2008 DWC LR. Kingturtle (talk) 19:07, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That has NisarKand's edits on it! Check the history more carefully. Once again you pretend to be blind and support NisarKand! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.30.202.21 (talk) 19:08, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I welcome non-banned users to edit articles. If non-banned users make changes, that is fine with me. Banned users are not allowed to make edits. I will continue to revert your edits and your accounts. Kingturtle (talk) 19:13, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Kingturtle, I don't think you need to guess too hard to know who this is :/ [1] - Alison ❤ 19:11, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Kingturtle (talk) 19:13, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please help

I did as you told me and went to Wikipedia:Changing username/Usurpations where I was directed by a robot back again to Wikipedia:Changing username. I have no clue what needs to be done to change my name to Pjetter, EN:WP and EN:WB are the only ones which are missing. After that I promise to leave you alone.

I thought procedure was to make way for Pjetter by renaming to something like Pjetter-old, so it is possible to change Londenp to Pjetter. Please do help me: I am lost. Londenp (talk) 21:03, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Was it you who made the Pjetter account? If so, log into it and say on talk page that you are Londenp. Kingturtle (talk) 21:04, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I did sign my request on both request pages Wikipedia:Changing username/Usurpations and Wikipedia:Changing username with both names already, but I will do as you request. Londenp (talk) 21:09, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Did sign on User talk:Pjetter with both accounts. Pjetter (talk) 21:11, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'll address it in a few hours. I'm at work currently. Kingturtle (talk) 02:14, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
thanks :-) Pjetter (talk) 15:18, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Billy Collins Photo

I apologize in advance if this is a breech in protocol, but I took a photo of Billy Collins today that I've posted under Creative Commons, and I'd like to offer it for his entry here. I'm not sure the syntax and thought it would be easier to offer it to you, as someone who has posted recently in the Billy Collins entry.

[[2]]

Thanks in advance -- pw

Docpete72 (talk) 22:21, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Restoring to Article

As you and other editors suggested, I have recused myself from editing the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Joseph_Cormier which is proper. I have also dropped my desire to post the 95% of the article edited out to the talk page for discussion and re-working in deference to other Administrators experience. I have been appealing to those same editors to do the right thing and restore balance to the bare bones left in the article after the major decimation with no response. They left this in: In 1986, to complete his Canada-wide mission, he hitchhiked East to Quebec and the Maritimes.[7][8][9][10] This makes no sense without the inclusion of this: In 1981, Cormier hitchhiked from Ottawa to Whitehorse, Yukon to draw attention to Revelation 19:11 [2]. even removing these references so a viewer would have no clue of this verifiable action without going to the history:

[7] Steve St. Laurent. "Visiting 'prophet' no average preacher", Calgary Herald, 18 July 1981, A11.

[8] Cathy Lord "Visions compelled search for God", Edmonton Journal, 25 July 1981, G13.

[9] Leslie Cole "Self-proclaimed prophet: Showmanship not his style", Whitehorse Star, 26 August 1981, pg 3.

[10] Nicholas Read "'Divine gifts' inspire ex-executive to tramp the land with a message", Vancouver Sun, 3 October 1981

[11] Maclean's, 31 August 1981, People Section.

With every passing day, my POV is evolving to believe this is a deliberate act of subterfuge. Will you please do the right thing and restore this information to the article? With the dispute and discussion ongoing over the images in the article for deletion over FUR, Maclean's has provided written permission to post this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MacLean%27s.jpg image, but reference [11] is removed. DoDaCanaDa (talk) 12:06, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia articles are written collaboratively by many editors. Sometimes by bringing in more minds, articles can reach a better equilibrium. If you like, I can summon some more editors to help copyedit the article. Kingturtle (talk) 13:02, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I appreciate this reply, and that I knew and have been hoping and waiting for those editors to voluntarily come forward. I respect free will. It is the only inviolable right and freedom we have in common as humans. No power can take that away from anyone. Editors and contributors will perfect this article by their own interest and free will. Peace and blessings to all of those. DoDaCanaDa (talk) 16:09, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's a cool looking tag, King. Reminds me of my days with General Electric. A lightbulb was drawn on the sandwich board I wore with the gag in protest of the extreme probation I was subjected to days before I was expelled from the House of Commons on the historic 1st day of TV, wearing the gag reading 'Fear of The Truth'. Thank you so very much for listing the article on the RFC biolist. I eagerly anticipate seeing the information above restored. DoDaCanaDa (talk) 21:31, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Re your comment on my talk. You know I recused myself from editing the article on me a long time ago in my word to you, which is proper and right. I have kept that word, now having to rely on strangers to examine the raw information in the history and discussions, mostly with users on their talk away from the article. Experienced Wikipedians would know how to follow those discussions, but a casual visitor would see only a small fraction of the discussion over the article.

I see someone else removed the RFCbio list tag you placed on the article. I undid that. Another editor edited your own personal talk and that appears to be fine with you seeing you did not undo it. I can no more separate and remove myself from the article than you can abandon your own talk. I will not edit my article, but I will defend it alone until others come to my assistance. The explicit request in this section concerning the removed newspaper references is still being ignored.

When I see others working the article, I would be so happy to edit and contribute good words to other articles.

DoDaCanaDa (talk) 16:18, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are not alone, don't worry - all living people must rely on others to tend to their wikipedia articles. It is the best way to reach NPOV.

  • I agree with this policy 100% See the bold print. I have been alone for weeks on that. So far I have seen lots of talk with no action.

The RFCbio tag was moved from the article to the talk area, which is where it is supposed to be. I made a mistake placing it in the article.

As for the images that were deleted, do you have any personal photos that you could scan, and would you be willing to release them to the public domain? Or can you have a digital photo of yourself taken that can be added? Kingturtle (talk) 16:25, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • The Administrator who created the article said we would meet and he would take the scan. I haven't heard from him since before this whole controversy started. I have some old photos as a kid if they could be used. I have my campaign poster from the elections I could post, but as it looks now, my article looks pathetic, but it's encyclopedic . It may have been the wrong format, but it looked much better before it was demolished.

I still have the 13 jersey from the deleted images which I haven't worn since I ran for Parliament in 1997. When I'm wearing it and carrying my big stick it's "official", like the papal Ex cathedra. I don't wear it casually or for fun.

It's somewhere in a user talk how I got the appellation of prophet. It came from the Secret Service guarding President Ford as he was expected momentarily at the restricted balcony with his podium bearing his seal in The Crown Center Hotel. I was standing there in his place being questioned looking exactly as I do in the image just deleted. They wanted to hold my stick for "security reasons". I was very active and highly visible at the Republican National Convention in Kansas City in 1976. Newspaper references verifying those activities are yet to be posted to the article. I would like to see the article perfected before this year's Republican Convention. DoDaCanaDa (talk) 18:56, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'm glad to see you have such an interest in the article, you know almost instantaneously when an edit is made, and make a comment. You will note I have made no substantive edits except for very minor corrections. Wikipedia does not absolutely forbid this. If it did, I would not make the minor corrections I did. I have added no new information since I agreed with you it is the best to leave that to others. DoDaCanaDa (talk) 18:42, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am new. But the external links are no links for publicity or promotion. These are links to the regional centers of SAARC. And yes, they are relevant. You check that for yourself.

Merde.Pandanayan (talk) 20:25, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can this be used?

I understand. Sorry for adding too many links. I'll delete 6 of the 9 links I added.

Another question is there are these free publications on the website of SAARC. You can view them here: http://saarc-sec.org/main.php?t=3.2 Can these free publications be used by me to enrich the content.

I wouldn't obviously just copy paste. I would study them and then add to the Wiki article.

ThanxPandanayan (talk) 20:31, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely! Be sure to read Wikipedia:Citation templates and Help:Footnotes to better understand how to cite what you add. Don't copy and paste text from your sources; try to summarize instead. I am sure you'll get more help along the way. Welcome to wikipedia! Kingturtle (talk) 20:36, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanx. You've been of great help. Pandanayan (talk) 20:42, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

SAARC Secretariat

Hi, I intend to edit the paragraph entitled "Secretariat" in the SAARC article.

The original one had some mistakes in grammar and was lacking in flow as well. I have added some citations as well. Check out the edited version:

Secretariat

The SAARC Secretariat was established in Kathmandu on 16 January 1987 and was inaugurated by His Majesty King Birendra Bir Bikram Shah Dev of Nepal.

It is headed by a Secretary General appointed by the Council of Ministers from Member Countries in alphabetical order for a three-year term and assisted by the Professional and the General Services Staff, and also an appropriate number of functional units called Divisions assigned to Directors nominated by Member States.(Citation)

The Secretariat coordinates and monitors implementation of activities, prepares for and services meetings, and serves as a channel of communication between the Association and its Member States as well as other regional organisations.(Citation)

The Memorandum of Understanding on the establishment of the Secretariat (Citation) which was signed by Foreign Ministers of member countries on 17 November 1986 at Bangalore, India contains various clauses concerning the role, structure and administration of the SAARC Secretariat as well as the powers of the Secretary-General.

In several recent meetings the heads of state or government of member states of SAARC have taken some important decisions and bold initiatives to strengthen the organisation and to widen and deepen regional co-operation. The SAARC Secretariat and Member States observe 8 December as the SAARC Charter Day. Pandanayan (talk) 22:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Orgun

Yes hopefully it can be expanded (eventually). Regards ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 10:18, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Thank you

Ohai. You may remember me from when you copyedited baseball uniform. I saw you thanked User:Nothing444 here for creating a certain article. I don't know if you noticed, but he was banned from Wikipedia if you looked at his userpage. Oh, and since you did a good job copyediting baseball uniform, I was hoping if you could copyedit the Simple English Wikipedia's baseball uniform. It's currently a proposal for GA, but we needed someone to simplify it, copyedit it, ect. Could you do that? Thanks in advance. -- RyRy (talk) 05:43, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reminder...

Thanks for that. But I have been treating others in an extreme civil manner this entire time. I have never threatened anyone with banishment nor have I accused others of trolling. (as another has done to me). I trust this reminder has gone to the other one involved as well.MAL01159 (talk) 18:36, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The user has gone forum-shopping all over the place, while refusing to answer the question I've posed repeatedly, which is for him to cite a source that states the words "1994 broke the Braves' streak". I have repeatedly pointed him to the Braves' statement that the streak is 14, while he continues to ask me for a source that says so. I initially thought he was trolling. His behavior since tends to support that observation. Although I'll allow, for now, the possibility that he's a newbie who doesn't "get it". Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 18:52, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
He also disappeared once several editors started asking him the same question. Trolling. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 20:31, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I would appreciate accusations made about me be directed to me. And when making accusations of me, it would be nice if they were actually true and verifiable. I have answered your question. Repeatedly. It is you who have refused questions. Regarding my "disappearance" I'm sorry to say that I don't spend my entire day hovering over wikipedia. Sometimes I have more time for this place than others. I do have a job that requires my attention. Try considering such things before making grand absolute comments, please.MAL01159 (talk) 21:47, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm retired, so I have nothing but free time and good ideas. 0:) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 22:54, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nice try, KT. Thanks. And since the compromise didn't seem to be winning the other half of the vote that it needed to, I also think it was right to switch it back to the original phrasing. JohnInDC (talk) 19:07, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Atlanta Braves

I'm not sure that the discussion on Talk:Atlanta Braves is getting anywhere, and I'm sorry if your contribution got lost in the general scuffle. If you want to propose an alternate form of words for the disputed sentence, I'd be happy to look at it and discuss it here or there. Who knows? We might get consensus for it. Regards, SHEFFIELDSTEELTALK 21:00, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it's just the one user who has a problem with it, with no end to the debate in sight, because of his core assumption that the Braves do not have the right to claim 14 consecutive division titles. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 21:02, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And I've also had about enough of this endless loop. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 21:23, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm proposing on Talk:Atlanta Braves that we move towards closure. I appreciate everyone's efforts, and I apologise to KT for spamming your Talk page. SHEFFIELDSTEELTALK 21:55, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Spamming the globe, to bring you the constant variety of Sports..." :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 22:36, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Joel Widzer

Hi KingTurtle I made a major reedit to the Joel Widzer page. Can you review it and help with any needed changes. I think that it adheres to the proper policy but certainly would Appreciate your input Thanks reagan (talk) 20:00, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Could you also look at the tags added by Daniel J. Leivick, who has casued problems in the past? Your help will be great. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reagan0005 (talk • contribs) 20:55, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I won't have time until Monday to copyedit the article. Your edits need a lot of work there. I re-added the tags, though. They belong there - unless you want to revert to the version before your most recent series of edits. Kingturtle (talk) 21:59, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I’ll keep the tags. My objective is to present a good article for the community as I did with other articles. Since there have been “editing Wars” I wanted to get your feedback as I know you’ve been following the page. I’m on-board to take in your feedback. Separately, I do believe that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Daniel_J._Leivick has had a heavy hand with his editing power. I hope you can keep a watchful eye. Thanks a bunch! --reagan (talk) 22:10, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

KingTurtle I added a number of references to the Joel Widzer article, therefore I removed the tag. Thanks--reagan (talk) 01:18, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Need a little help.

I noticed that the wiki page for Smokey Joe Wood had his nickname spelled wrong. I was able to change Smokey Joe Wood to Smoky Joe Wood everywhere except for the title of the page. I don't know how to edit the title of the page. Thanks. Joe Wood's grandson. Alaskakid —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alaskakid (talk • contribs) 04:08, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed it. The following articles have his name spelled as Smokey. If you have time, maybe you can make the changes. Nice to hear from a grandson of a great. Kingturtle (talk) 04:24, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More on Braves

I have now explained the 1994 thing by comparing it to the 1916 thing, which is the best way I know how to explain it. If he still doesn't buy it, there's no hope, and we're done with him. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 15:59, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ncpa

hi. i wasn't aware that the user was a Beh-nam sock (nor aware that Beh-nam was banned). I do support reversions of sock-edits, but in this particular case i did not find them harmful. --Soman (talk) 16:32, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

banned, racist, and Taliban supporter user: NisarKand still editing and vandalizing

I'm just wondering why you haven't IP range blocked him yet? He is freely editing with his IP and vandalizing and pushing his Afghan-nationalist POVs. Here is one of his IPs that he edited with recently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/119.30.73.220. And with this other IP he is making personal attacks on others: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/119.30.71.194.

How can you expect Beh-nam to accept his ban if you are still allowing NisarKand to edit? Especially when it was NisarKand who got Beh-nam banned by making sockpuppets and getting him into 3RR trouble. I don't think Beh-nam will accept his ban as long as NisarKand is allowed to edit because that would not be fair. If NisarKand is IP range blocked also then Beh-nam will accept his ban. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.208.18.73 (talk) 20:37, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

User:Rollosmokes

I will do my best to let the admins handle this, when or if his promises become reality. He's got blatant personal attacks on his page against 7 users, and he promises to resume his edit warring. Yes, I'm annoyed that he's been let off the hook. For now. But he hasn't actually done anything. Yet. So we'll see. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 16:32, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just don't bait him into it. If he fails, he fails. But poking a cornered dog and making him bite you and then saying "See! That dog bites" - that just doesn't fly. Kingturtle (talk) 16:43, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's just the excuse he needs to resume the edit war, ja? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 16:44, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And it discredits you. Kingturtle (talk) 16:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
To lower myself to his level? Yes, you're right. Enough, Aldretti. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 16:49, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've marked my issue "resolved", I've removed my comments from his page, and am no longer watching either his page or his edits. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 18:16, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Have faith that if he makes a ruckus elsewhere, he will be confronted. And certainly keep watching articles that are important to you. Cheers, Kingturtle (talk) 18:21, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, there is one (or maybe two) still on my watchlist, but not because of him as such. But I won't say which one it is. :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 20:03, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It may be starting again - he just reverted someone on WPSG, but he slipped in a "CW" only change, which was NOT part of the other edit he reverted. I've corrected his "mistake", but this bears watching. TheRealFennShysa (talk) 15:59, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've protected the article. Kingturtle (talk) 16:15, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your note. I saw any further discussion either with or about that user as being a waste of my time and anyone else's. All I wanted was for him to explain why The CW couldn't be called The CW. For a guy who obviously has some knowledge of broadcasting stuff to work himself into a permanent block over that issue (among other things, but that was the trigger) seems like an incredible waste. I don't like to see anybody get blocked, I want to see them "straighten up and fly right." But some can't or won't. They blame everyone else for their troubles. And I know, 'cause I've been there. All this still comes down to one of my two wikipedia axioms: "How badly do you want to edit?" In that guy's case, the answer was, "Not badly enough to compromise." So it goes. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 00:05, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
In any case, User:Rollosmokes looks to be back, this time as User:Black Waves. I've moved the issue back to WP:ANI. --66.102.80.212 (talk) 22:13, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AfD

Hi, old friend. More than two years after being desysopped (and after reading as much of th the Giano II drama as I could till my eyes glazed over, I'm thinking of reapplying for sysop. What's the best way to go about an RfA these days? --Uncle Ed (talk) 23:26, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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From the Editors

Baseball has a history unlike any other sport. It has been played in countless countries throughout the decades, and it will undoubtedly continue play for many more. On this eve, some the finest players the sport has to offer will take the field at the Yankee Stadium. Four popes spoke there, Pelé scored goals there, "The Greatest [football] Game Ever Played" was battled out there, John Philip Sousa lead a band there, George Costanza worked there; but what do all these events have in common? They fail to reach the level of greatness that the baseball that was played there did.

In 1923, a man named Babe Ruth decided to build a new house, and over the years, that house was a home to some of the greatest baseball ever played. If I were to list out all of these great moments, it would be longer than the bill for the New Yankee Stadium. So I'll sum it up by saying that we can remember these great moments by adding them to this place we've gathered at for future generations to read about, to learn about, to dream about; but more importantly we can watch tonight and we can remember how baseball is unlike anything else that we will encounter in our lives. — Blackngold29

--  jj137 (talk) 03:09, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dave Nilsson

This is about one year late, but in case you never got the requested information, the Baseball Reference Bullpen Wiki has just about everything you ever wanted to know about Dave Nilsson in this article. It looks like he bought a majority stake in the Australian Baseball League around the time he disappeared from MLB. Thanks-- SashaNein (talk) 19:06, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for helping me change username. Jamesmh2006 (talk) 19:45, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nikolai Fedorenko

Hi there, Kingturtle! I've expanded the Nikolai Fedorenko article, added a few categories, and removed the notability tag. I guess now he looks notable enough :). Drop me a line if anything! Take care. KNewman (talk) 19:58, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Terrific. Nice work! Kingturtle (talk) 05:32, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Veronika Decides to Die (Film)

Can you please undelete this .The page was originally created by a banned user but that was before their ban and it is a legitimate film (there is numerous pictures of it being filmed in NY in June ) and on which I have being doing edits .05:28, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok. Done. Kingturtle (talk) 05:32, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pamir Mountains

Please take a look at the latest version of Pamir Mountains and also other images uploaded and used in various pages by User:Alj87. There are no copyright tags, and more importantly, there is no information to prove that the images actually correspond to the respective articles. Thank you. --Zlerman (talk) 15:05, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have advised Alj87 on how to properly label uploaded images. Let's see if that makes a difference. Kingturtle (talk) 15:26, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jim Chappell

No problem. How did you find out so quickly? Chubbles (talk) 16:01, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am a frequent visitor of Wikipedia:Recent changes article requests. Kingturtle (talk) 19:10, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That page is kind of confusing. How does it work? Chubbles (talk) 19:33, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That page is very confusing. Here's how it works:

There are 124 separate lines (numbering 0 through 123) of six to eight requested articles. When someone goes to Recent Changes, one of those 124 lines will appear randomly under the category Requests. This is an easy way for those interested in writing requested articles to have access to some of the requests.
When such an articles is written, it turns from a red ink link to a blue ink link and needs to be removed from Wikipedia:Recent changes article requests. Simply editing Wikipedia:Recent changes article requests won't do the trick. An editor has to press the Use this link to edit the template button to edit the 124 separate lines. In this example The Anome removed North Carolina State College and added Locator/Identifier Separation Protocol. Generally speaking, you want to add a redlink article that is about the same length (in characters) as the one you remove. Mostly of late it has been The Anome and me who have been maintaining the list - but that is only out of circumstance. Anyone is welcome to help maintain it. It's kinda fun, really.

Hope that helps. Ask if you have more questions. Cheers, Kingturtle (talk) 19:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!

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Thanks for changing my user name :-) All Grown Up Whovian 10:25, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You have advised me not to edit my article, which is not forbidden, but discouraged. I agree 100% with this idea.

You are aware of the vigorous discussion over the two FUR images deleted from the article. I am Canadian/Universalist. I would have hoped some intellectually curious Wikipedians would have wondered why Canwest Global Communications Corp., having a monoploly on Canada'a daily newspapers referenced in my article, would go to the trouble of sending a lawyer's letter to Wikipedia requesting the images be removed?

I politely asked for permission from The Ottawa Citizen having the copyright, but they said No! Absolutely! There was no option offered to pay a fee for their use. The images are 31 years old. There is absolutely no residual commercial value in them, buried and forgotten. Is is a matter of simple, selfish possessiveness? Is there an element of subterfuge involved? The Administrator who created the article posted them anyway with the FUR tag. I didn't know what FUR was.

I have to question Wikipedians depth of commitment to creating a "Free Encyclopedia" when they caved in immediately on receiving a lawyer's letter. A consensus had been reached on keeping the image '2nd Police warning 4 God's Emissary'.

I have been pleading with you and any user to post this image http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MacLean%27s.jpg to the article. It is the copyright script of Maclean's Canada's National Magazine Reference 11 in the article. They were gracious enough to write this: Original Message -----

From: "Jessica Allen" <Jessica.Allen@rci.rogers.com> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 3:55 PM Subject: Maclean's Permission

Hi Ray,

You can certainly reprint the text referring to yourself from page 40, Maclean's Magazine, August 31, 1981. There is no charge for this.

Unfortunately, we can not allow you to reproduce the cover.

All the best,

--- Jessica Allen Editorial Assistant Maclean¹s Magazine

It confirms unequivocably this statement from the article: In 1981, Cormier hitchhiked from Ottawa to Whitehorse, Yukon to symbolize the White Horse in Revelation 19:11 [1]. Newspapers across the country chronicled his journey. [7][8][9][10][11] It is an historic image and you don't even have to use the FUR tag.

If I have to post it myself, will I be cautioned again about editing my own article? DoDaCanaDa (talk) 13:06, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DoDa,

Wikipedia has absolutely no way to override a decision of a copyright owner to prevent its use on Wikipedia. It is quite rare for a major corporation to release something they own into the public domain. These are the way copyright laws work, and Wikipedia must abide by them. There is no copyrighted image in the world that is significant enough for Wikipedia to fight for using.

If you want to paraphrase the text of Image:MacLean%27s.jpg then make sure you cite it with the appropriate citation syntax. Kingturtle (talk) 14:22, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The image itself brings nothing to the article. It should not be shown in the article. However, the text may be useful to paraphrase and reference. Kingturtle (talk) 20:08, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
White Horse, Yukon, as a symbol from Revelation? And here I thought the "Four Horsemen" were the offensive backfield at Notre Dame! Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 14:44, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Some people can read War and Peace and think of it as a simple adventure story. Others can read the contents of a chewing gum wrapper, and unlock the secrets of the universe. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 18:29, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the confusion of a declining economy and resources, the War on terrorism, the U.S. insistence of erecting the anti-missile system around Russia and the test of Will with Iran, mistakes can and will happen. Armageddon is understood as an event, but the actual physical place on this world is in Palestine near Jerusalem where Christ was crucified by the powers of this world. The missile pathway will be part of the Armageddon finale. The Bible refers to this end as 'fire from heaven'. It hasn't happened yet so there is still hope the people will awake before it is too late. The image is free to use. If any of you remember the 1983 made for TV movie 'The Day After' about a Soviet nuclear missile destroying Kansas City, the last frame of the movie is the exact same frame in the November 2, 1976 report from The Kansas City Times on me headed 'Prophet Plans Appeal of Conviction' seven years earlier. The reporter made a mistake in the interpretation of information in the earlier report of September 13, 1976. This reference is not in the article yet since no editors/contributors have come forward to develop it as yet. DoDaCanaDa (talk) 13:14, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
DoDaCanaDa asked me to take a look at this discussion- my thought is that, even if the image is free, (I'm not sure that "you have permission to reprint the text" equals "a scan of this article is in the public domain", but I am sure there are people in this discussion more qualified to make a judgment on that issue) I don't see what adding it to the article would achieve. It would be useful as a convenience link if the article is being used as a reference. As for the other dispute- I always said the images should be removed, even before we received the email; we're trying to create an encyclopedia with content that others can use. This is our main aim. If people are not happy with us (a well known charitable enterprise with what the majority of the world would call noble goals) using it, imagine how they would feel with others using it? How can we honestly say that our content is free for others to use when we have people making perfectly coherent legal claims challenging our right to use it? J Milburn (talk) 17:20, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I appreciate your opinion and thanks for replying, J. In the first part of your answer, we see it eye to eye. Maclean's specifically grants permission to use it in Wikipedia, but not in legalese language. Of all the human types on the planet, Jesus singled out only three for special criticism. Religious Leaders, lawyers and the rich. Makes sense to me in today's world. He said words to the effect hookers could get into the kingdom of heaven before some religious leaders. Makes sense to me in today's world. That's some POV he has. Know the Truth and the Truth will set you Free.

On the second part of your answer about lawyer's letters and noble goals and trying "to create an encyclopedia with content that others can use. This is our main aim." The dispute over the images 'Second Police Warning for God's Emissary' is over from my POV. Raising it again had two other purposes.

1. I don't know how many Wikipedians there are, but having discovered my biography on line, and developing it with peacock terms and other obvious deficiencies to me, I reached out to more experienced editors for help and they removed 95% to history so most visitors, not being Wikipedians, and not being familiar with the buttons and links could see the facts. That was not the help I hoped for, but I have adapted. Truly, I had hoped hundreds of editor/contributors would be re-working the raw information by now. To date, it's been me and only the four of five of you editing out, but not contributing, with an occasional comment by someone passing through. Having already had a vigorous discussion over the deleted copyright images, at the opposite end I'm getting the same dispute over a free image. I am perplexed.

2. Indulge me in re-introducing this here again: I politely asked for permission from The Ottawa Citizen having the copyright, but they said No! Absolutely! There was no option offered to pay a fee for their use. The images are 31 years old. There is absolutely no residual commercial value in them, buried and forgotten and obviously Canwest Global with it's news monopoly wants it that way or they would not have sent a lawyer's letter to Wikipedia demanding their removal from the article. Why? Is is a matter of simple, selfish possessiveness? Is there an element of subterfuge involved? This is a matter for discussion, if not on this talk then on another talk page concerning media censorship and freedom of the press.DoDaCanaDa (talk) 11:04, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am also commenting at DoDaCanaDa's request. Broadly, I agree with J Milburn. I have seen no evidence at all that the image meets Wikipedia's requirement of freedom; the most reasonable interpretation of the e-mail from Maclean's, as far as I can see, is that they were granting you permission to use the image in the Wikipedia article, which is of course not sufficient for our purposes. Besides that, I don't see the relevance of the missile path picture. The clipping probably is relevant, but appropriate portions of it can be quoted and cited if needed; I don't see any reason to just drop the scan into the article. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 19:02, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I also agree, no reason to have a scan of a newspaper clipping in the article. --Leivick (talk) 22:41, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Those who glance, will not see. Those who skim, will not understand. Is the objection only to including the image of the missile strike path and it's relevancy? If that was removed, would you have further objections? If this article is about a self proclaimed or ordained prophet or emissary of God that is yet to be determined, it appears to me all information that might lend support or verification to the idea has been removed. Of the prophets it is written: God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders (Hebrews 2:4) [3]. Lets discuss signs and wonders.

1. November 2, 1976 The Kansas City Times prints a report with an image of me standing at the base of the pillar at the Liberty Memorial in Kansas City.

2. In 1981 Canada's National Magazine reports I hiked 4000 miles to Whitehorse to symbolize the White Horse of Revelations 19:11.[4] Armageddon is mentioned, showing a missile strike path to Kansas. If the world is brought to the grand finale, those missile strike paths are already fixed in the mind of the public domain.

3. Seven years after the image of me in the Kansas City Times report, the TV movie "The Day After" appears in the public mind following that very missile strike path, ending at the exact same frame as the newspaper report except I wasn't in the movie.

I would expect there is some clever editor/contributor who could take this raw information, knowing how to use references and citations and make it encyclopedic. DoDaCanaDa (talk) 11:04, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

After reading the explanation I can see why the image at least is relevant & attaching the story is reasonable. It then comes to checking if the image and text are in the public domain, the I'm not sure of the legalese but if that can be clarified, i.e. that it is Free and released from copyright then I would think it should be included. If not then the image showing the path can be recreated by someone else, as the is no restriction on the idea shown only on that spesific drawing so fiar use woudl nto be satisfied. --Nate1481(t/c) 07:20, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gul Agha Sherzai

Hello. An IP just re-added [5] the same image you removed from the Gul Agha Sherzai article. If you can help me understand why you are removing the photo from the article, I can assist in keeping it clear. Thanks, Kralizec! (talk) 19:35, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

IPs on these topics that begin with 119.xx are done by User:NisarKand, who is blocked indefinitely. I revert all edits I come across that are done by that user. If you want to add that image, that is ok with me. I won't be reverting any of your edits - only those of NisarKand. Kingturtle (talk) 20:13, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lou Gehrig

Hi, Kingturtle, I would like to request your opinion and advices regarding this recent GAN. It was failed, in part due to confusion about the reviewer's asking for a second opinion. See my protest and the archived GAN. I am wondering if this article merits being taken to GAR for community review/assessment? JGHowes talk - 01:49, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome back from vacation. Not to be a pest, but can you let me know or should I ask someone else? JGHowes talk - 17:47, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I will not have (for the next few weeks) the proper sort of free time to give this article the proper reading and editing it deserves. If you need a more immediate opinion, you will need to find someone else :/ Kingturtle (talk) 17:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OK, sorry to bother you. I've taken it to GAR here: Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Lou Gehrig/1. JGHowes talk - 19:53, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's no bother at all :) Kingturtle (talk) 20:24, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Moshin → M_Miah

 Bureaucrat note: User Moshin has been migrated to the unified login system. Renaming it will cause the local user to be detached from the global one. Will that be ok with you? Kingturtle (talk) 15:14, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, that will be OK please, Thanks. Moshin 09:23, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

The Article Rescue Squadron needs you

Hello, I noticed that you recently signed up to be part of the Article Rescue Squadron at Wikipedia:Article Rescue Squadron/Members.

If you have not yet added this template to your user page, please do: {{Template:User Article Rescue Squadron}}

There is a whole list of articles which needed rescuing now:

Category:Articles that have been proposed for deletion but that may concern encyclopedic topics

...can you please take the time and rescue one?

And please watch Wikipedia:Article Rescue Squadron for ongoing new developments.

Thank you, Article Rescue Squadron member, Inclusionist (talk) 22:33, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RFC

I've probably had more 2-cents-worth than anybody besides the RFC'd user. Should I weigh into that page, or am I too "involved"? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 21:19, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For now, simply endorse what you feel you want to endorse. Let's let some objective non-participants read through it first. Then later, maybe we can add more. Kingturtle (talk) 21:28, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I should simply sign my name and omit any commentary. Will do. In fact, I think the issues have been summarized well enough. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 21:38, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]


John Kerry

Did he suspend his Senate re-eleaction campaign?--Dr who1975 (talk) 00:16, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bait

He made a false characterization about what I said, in the talk page for the RFC, and I felt it was reasonable to clarify the matter. The RFC is in place, so I intend to let it be... unless he misquotes me again. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 20:59, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. Kingturtle (talk) 21:00, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note this comment [6] in which he claims he found the Elias book in a bookstore. Well, as far as I know, it's not available in bookstores, or at least Barnes & Noble was unable to order it, which is why I had to go to the website to get it. I think he's basically mocking us. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 22:24, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Solar System

I noticed your recent interest, and would like your contribution to the talk page on Talk:Solar_System#New_List. -HarryAlffa (talk) 22:12, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion of Street Address in Infoboxes

When you removed the street address in the Terrebonne High School article you cited your reasoning as wikipedia is not a directory. however according to the page on wikipedia not being a directory, there is no regard for listing the address of something. Also, in the specific what not to include for the schools wikiproject, listing the address is not on the DNI list. The only reason I included the street address was because it is a category in the staderdized schools infobox. If there is something wrong with the infobox, we should probably take this discussion to the infoboxes talk page. I'll be checking back here before undoing the removal of the address to see if you can better explain the change to me. Curtbash (talk) 05:38, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOT specifically states Wikipedia is not the yellow pages. The school related infoboxes really need to drop address and phone information. There are about 50 infoboxes regarding schools (see Category:Education infobox templates), and I have left messages on some of them discouraging the use of street addresses and phone numbers (for example Template_talk:Infobox_University) ElKevbo removed telephone from Template:Infobox Secondary school with good reason. Address should be removed from the Location section of that specific template. The other 50 templates should be advised and changed too. Kingturtle (talk) 05:55, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
After reading ElKevbo's reasoning, I can see why he removed telephone from the template and it's not far of a jump for this reasoning to include addresses, it just isn't necessary. I'm sure if the template were changed no one would have a problem with it. i'm not familiar with editing the templates for infoboxes (can regular users do this?), but i think someone should remove it from the template because as more schools are added, inclusion of addresses will be viewed as something needed (if the address is deemed important, however, the writer can just include it in his infobox). But in regard to wikipedia not being the yellow pages, i always held this to mean that wikipedia is not a listing site (for example, looking up hospital would give you information on hospitals not a list of all the hospitals in the world) so I don't think it's a valid argument because including the address on an article about a specific hospital doesn't make it a yellow page listing. Curtbash (talk) 06:23, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ahmad Shah Durrani

You have reverted the Ahmad Shah Durrani article to the banned User:Beh-nam's version. 64.229.18.84 is one of his IP range from Toronto, Canada. Why are you supporting that racist vandal who is constantly vandalising Pashtun articles? Are you also an anti-Pashtun? Why are you racist against Pashtuns? What have they done to you? Leave these people alone and stop supporting racist vandals because I will start reporting you all over to other administrators. You have also reverted Sher Shah Suri to the banned User:Tajik's version, and that guy from Germany is another anti-Pashtun vandal. Racist people will end up in hell in the end. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.30.79.159 (talk) 15:48, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Educational Therapy

I am trying to sort out the copyright issues from my Educational Therapy page you removed. I need to identify whether I included text from any pages other than www.caspari.org.uk/aboutet.htm. Is there any chance you could email me the page before it was deleted (email to peter@duncan-davies.co.uk) so I can get the Caspari board to give GDFL permissions for the required pages. I doubt they would want to give permission to copy the whole site, but specific pages will be fine though it has to go to the Caspari board of course (I am just the Caspari webmaster). Thanks. Technopete (talk) 21:09, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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