Talk:He Kexin

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Jeré Longman and Juliet Macur (2008 July 27). "Records Say Chinese Gymnasts May Be Under Age". New York Times. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

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Age

Obviously, there is an unfair advantage for China. He Kexin looks like she is about 12 and is really 14 and not eligible for these olympic games. But, since China is hosting these games I guess they can do whatever they want (HA). China should be stripped of their medal and He Kexin shouldn't be able to participate in the future. —Preceding unsigned comment added by USAlltheway (talk • contribs) 04:40, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Should age be listed as the day she was born, or her issued birthday? I'd say the day she was born, since that is the definition of a birthdate. Maddie ^talk 04:53, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

please refrain from changing this page. this nytimes article documents the controversy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/27/sports/olympics/27gymnasts.html?hp Paperclip47 (talk) 05:24, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I agree with Maddie's edit of this page--there is no reason the age controversy needs a separate section, and saying the documents were forged is a very strong OR statement which is not directly in the NYT article. For the age, I took out the year on the infobox altogether, which is what has been done in other cases where there has been major debate over the correct year, such as Kim Gwang Suk. DanielEng (talk) 14:23, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was an Asian Studies major and, although it was a long time ago, I do seem to remember something about how Chinese 'age' themselves. My understanding is that a child is considered 1 as soon as he/she is born, and everyone gains another year on the Chinese New Year (I think). I could definitely be wrong, but this might be why there's such a discrepancy. Any thoughts? Frances —Preceding unsigned comment added by Narf24018 (talk • contribs) 19:35, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's true that Chinese children are sometimes (I would think it depends on the traditions followed by the family these days) considered to be 1 when they are born. However, if a child is physically born in 2008, that will be the year of birth listed on his or her birth certificate, and that will be the year used to verify his or her age. Also, Kexin is reputed to be two years below the age minimum required for the Olympics (to compete in the Olympics this year, a gymnast has to be born before January 1, 1993).DanielEng (talk) 20:01, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I was just watching the Chinese against USA and I told my Dad that I thought they looked very young...and I thought it was unfair that the Americans were older than them (not knowing there was an age restriction) and then the commentator mentioned this argument. I couldn't imagine her being 16. I don't think it's that easy to "misquote" as a person in an article in the NY Times said. But then again when you think of how strict the Chinese are ... how would they get an incorrect passport without a birth cert Nisior (talk) 19:53, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats Wikipedia

When I read the NYT article about the He age controversy, and saw it mention the Wikipedia article, I came here expecting to see the article in a mess. Instead, the age question has been dealt with evenly and fairly. Putting (disputed year) in the infobox is perfect because it acknowledges the legitimate controversy without taking sides. And the controversy is explained in the article without undue emphasis. WP often stumbles on controversial current topics, but this time it's been done right. --JaGa (talk) 19:40, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, I was talking about this revision. --JaGa (talk) 19:42, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. :) DanielEng (talk) 20:02, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I second that JaGa, I also came here after reading that article. Nisior (talk) 19:56, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Help on other pages please

It has been a long time since I edited. There is some help needed with this controversy on the pages of other Chinese gymnasts. Would someone please investigate and ensure this is dealt with fairly? Jiang Yuyuan and Yang Yilin are the other two, as far as I can tell. Thanks Shagmaestro (talk) 08:00, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]