User talk:Ghettoblaster

Welcome!

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Reflection (computer programming)

Thanks for pointing out this page in Comparison of Programming Languages, it's being very useful to me. 62.101.126.214 (talk) 14:19, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Comparison of programming languages (basic instructions)

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, talk pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments, as you did at Talk:Comparison of programming languages (basic instructions), is considered as a bad practice, even if you meant well. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you have any information on Windows PowerShell's object oriented programming features, please contribute - I have never used PowerShell before. --Btx40 (talk) 15:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for your improvements to the Binary prefix and Binary prefix - Timeline articles; they look better now! Please feel free to make further improvements to Binary prefix; the article isn't well-written at all and could greatly benefit from a fresh look. Thanks, shreevatsa (talk) 21:19, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not an instruction manual

Wikipedia policy is very clear about this -- this is not a place for instruction manuals. WP:NOTMANUAL covers this. Please don't fight or argue the point... if you're interested in writing manual pages, do so at Wikibooks or wikiHow. Your recent edit history shows that you are either completely unaware of this, for which you now have no excuse not to, or have chosen to contravene Wikipedia policy. In either case, please respect the goals of the project and immediately stop adding information that is out of scope. Thanks. -/- Warren 16:45, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry. Go ahead and delete every article that is linked in the Template:Unix_commands and come back. All I try to do is get Unix/DOS/Windows coverage balanced. Thanks. Ghettoblaster (talk) 16:52, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of real-time operating systems

Wow! Thanks for filling out list of real-time operating systems. I thought about going back through the history and digging up some more. It didn't occur to me there would be any in list of operating systems. What do you think about the extra columns I suggested on the talk page? —EncMstr (talk) 22:30, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See: Talk:List of real-time operating systems Ghettoblaster (talk) 22:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I put the latest version of deleted article Fusion RTOS (as of 2008-05-22T06:27:16 by Ghettoblaster) in User:Ghettoblaster/Fusion. Actually, it's not quite the same: there was a blacklisted external link which prevent the save, so I changed the website to pure text. It seems an okay article: not great, but not awful. It would be helpful it it asserted greater notability. Maybe you—and other RTOS fans—can expand it and make it more compelling. When it gets to that state, the article might be successfully recreated. However, the blacklisting of the URL is an interesting problem, perhaps caused by repeated anti spam efforts against promoters of the site. WP:WikiProject Spam might have details how to fix that. —EncMstr (talk) 10:06, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tcl

I undid your removal of a number of links from the Tcl page. While in general I agree that there's no need to put masses of links to a site, you removed important links that were definitive and useful for students either of programming languages in general or of Tcl in particular. No particular criticism intended; I just happen to think that there are good reasons for retaining those particular links. (Good taste in all things, including the application of ones principles...) Donal Fellows (talk) 13:55, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All I can say is that I still disagree and that I hope someone else will fix the external links section then, because I'm not going to go through all of them and decide what is relvant and what not. Please mind: WP:NOTLINK. Ghettoblaster (talk) 14:11, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Microsoft Office 2007

Hey, I saw you removed my info about a portable version. I was just planning to do so, because it was fake information where I was not knowing about. Was illegally packed as portable, Microsoft never launched such a version. So, thanks! Dr. F.C. Turner - [USERPAGE|USERTALK] - 11:23, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comparison_of_office_suites

U undid removal of Novel OpenOffice.org. I removed it because most distributions slightly change the vanilla openoffice.org in accordance to their philosophy including Ubuntu and Redhat. Do we want to present all of these in the article ? Further, I believe Novel derive their version of openoffice from go-oo. (Bulletgani (talk) 14:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC))[reply]

See: Talk:Comparison of office suites. Ghettoblaster (talk) 18:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for this correction and several other typos of mine in general. :-) - xpclient ^Talk 19:40, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Spinning Wait Cursor

Why did you edit it out? You do know it ISN'T serious.

Damonkeyman889944 (talk) 10:53, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You did not provide any reliable source for this statement. Therefore it is original research or original thought, which does not belong into an encyclopedia. This article might be useful to you as well: Wikipedia:Writing better articles. Maybe you can find a quote or at least better wording for this statement. Ghettoblaster (talk) 11:34, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Double standards

First, sorry for editing your user page and not your discussion, I must have missed the correct link. Now to the point.

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war

and so do you

Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period

could you please point me to the three of my edits that break that rule?

If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule.

does that non-rule aply to you and others on your side of the dispute or is it reserved for people that contradict you? I can see that you technically avoid three-revert rule by edit warring in a tandem

Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors.

Oh, please, there would not be a need for my reverts if not for yours repeated reverts. The wording you try to enforce is offensive. OOXML is as much 'free and open' as was my country under Soviet Union occupation. Any consensus I could accept requires removing the 'free and open' from the first, defining paragraph, to some place it can be discussed more thoroughly. Besides, in the end you ignore my arguments and even resort to calling names. While I won't apply your low standard of personal attacks, I don't see why I should refrain from using your methods of editing the article, as long as I don't break any real rules, and not some you made up on the fly.

83.5.175.6 (talk) 18:20, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, this was not meant to be an offence. I did not say that you already broke the three-revert rule. I'm aware of the rule and did not break it either. I added this warning template to your talk page because you're obviously new to editing on Wikipedia and I thought that you're probably not aware of the policies here. Wikipedia guidelines require that everyone knows about these rules before any further actions take place. Please use the 'discussion' page of the article to present your point of view, provide verifiable/reliable sources and try to gain consensus among other editors. These are the real rules here on Wikipedia. I did not make them up by myself on the fly. I had to learn them and so does everybody else who wants to be taken seriously here. Thanks. Ghettoblaster (talk) 19:14, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Outing the identity of another editor

You outed another editor at Talk:Office_Open_XML#Conflict_of_interest. I ask you to immediately delete those external links (above) that you use by linkage to "out" the identity of a fellow Wikipedia editor, who is probably unaware that you have done this. It is a serious violation of Wikipedia rules to out another editor. Take it down immediately. --Lester 12:25, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I was not aware of any such Wikipedia policy, but I'm pretty sure that the edits of User:Arnieswap qualifiy as Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. For now, I removed the real name and the deep links from above. However, one can still verify my findings using a search engine. Thanks. Ghettoblaster (talk) 12:43, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you have a problem with WP:COI, WP:COI/N is the place to notify people of it, not the talk page of article space. You can be blocked for "outing" people - however if you have genuine information (rather than guesswork) then COI/N is the place. Shot info (talk) 05:58, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As you suggested, I added my findings to the Conflict of interest/Noticeboard (see: Wikipedia:COI/N#Swapnil_Bhartiya). Thanks. Ghettoblaster (talk) 14:35, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

User talk:98.207.48.163

Sorry for what happened at User talk:98.207.48.163. It was an accident. In fact, I really do not remember seeing those other comments when I made my edit. Maybe it was a software bug. I have undone my edit. Jorge Peixoto (talk) 17:00, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. Thanks. Ghettoblaster (talk) 17:11, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Multipe reverts at Office Open XML

I ask you to stop reverting content on the Office Open XML article. Reverting an article is an extreme measure that should only be used in cases of vandalism or libel. The article reverts you have made don't come into either or those categories. You have reverted the article to remove referenced information which was added by other editors. You have reverted the article to add your own contentious material with references that multiple other editors have disputed, such as the words "free and open" which you keep inserting. The endless multiple fast reverts at the Office Open XML article cannot be permitted to continue. I ask that you refrain from reverting, otherwise I will ask for administrator/community assistance to force the reverting to stop. --Lester 23:52, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Come on, this is ridiculous! My last revert was made more than a week ago. You can't run wild and forbid other editors who don't share your POV to revert or edit articles that are being vandalized. Stop giving a false color. The diff of my edit clearly shows that it was me who reverted this article because referenced information was removed by an anonymous IP. Also, I ask YOU to refrain from threatening other editors like me. Thanks. Ghettoblaster (talk) 11:32, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the outing of Arnieswap (talk · contribs), I still believe it was not the right thing for him to be outed. I sent you a message about 5 days before taking up the issue on the ANi board, in the hope that the outed editor's real name would be taken down voluntarily. Today, I notice you deleted the 'Credibility tag' minutes after I added it to the Open Office XML article. I ask again for you to stop reverting other people's content contributions. I see very little vandalism at that article, so I don't think vandalism can be used as a reason to revert content there. Consensus must be reached via discussion, and reverting makes it harder for a consensus to be found. Regards, --Lester 03:37, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First, I'd like to remind you that I removed the real name and the external references as soon as I found out that this was the wrong place to post the conflict of interest warning of Arnieswap (talk · contribs). It's not my fault that Warren (talk · contribs) has a different point of view and chose not to remove the user's real name from his comment. I'm certainly not going to edit his comment. Note that the other editors at the ANi board think that this was just minor issue and is not really "outing other editors" because Arnieswap (talk · contribs) effectively did this on his own all over the internet.

Secondly, I did not revert your recent edit. I just added another credible source to support the intro. Since there are now 7 (Seven) independent and reliable sources that support the intro, I figured that there are currently more than enough references to allow removing the tag. Also, I don't agree that there is little vandalism in this article. Referenced information is constantly removed by anonymous IPs without stating a reason in the edit summary or prior discussion. I think this might be considered a form of vandalism. Ghettoblaster (talk) 16:13, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ANi board

Message to notify you that you have been named on the ANi board --Lester 10:30, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I posted this on a few other discussion threads about this, but I also wanted to place a note on your talk page. I think this is a minor situation that really isn't dealing with outing other editors, or revealing private information. The logic being that his username is also his internet handle for his e-mail address, and probably other websites, and that he mentions his Wikipedia account on other websites (as you pointed out). -- Ned Scott 06:06, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cross-platform

Referring to this - I read the category description, and noted that (aside from some debris that's in it here/there), the apparent intent of the category was as noted, for applications that run on multiple platforms - not quite the same as portable. (I did also look for the "Windows" version of MC, but only found Cygwin, which isn't really the same thing). Tedickey (talk) 01:21, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I already added a link to a native Win32 distribution of Midnight Commander to the article ([1]). This does not require cygwin or any kind of emulation. To quote the cross-platform article: "Cross-platform (also known as multi-platform) is a term used in computing to refer to [...] computer software and their implementations which can be made to work on multiple computer platforms." So I still think that mc is cross-platform. If you say that only unmodified apps that run on multiple platforms are true cross-platform, then this term would actually only apply to apps written as scripts and bytecode etc. I see no difference between mc and other software that is commonly considered to be cross-platform such as Firefox, VLC media player, AbiWord, Lazarus (software), Blender (software), MySQL etc. Ghettoblaster (talk) 10:28, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Then as soon as you have a program that ports to "any version of Linux", it's "cross-platform". May as well delete the category (my recommendation for most of the comparison-of topics) if it's meaningless by inclusion of me-toos. Tedickey (talk) 10:57, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(your link is for a Mingw port - better than Cygwin, admittedly ;-) Tedickey (talk) 10:57, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what you mean with "ports to "any version of Linux"". I wouldn't call software that only runs on different versions of Linux/Unix "cross-platform" because it's all just one platform (the POSIX platform). I'd consider software like this to be cross-platform when it also runs natively on other platforms like Win32, OS/2, DOS, Mac OS, ... you name it. But I don't want to go into a lengthy discussion here. Maybe we should take this to the talk page of the article cross-platform. Obviously the (completely unsourced) definition there needs to be improved. Also, if we don't consider mc to be cross-platform, we need to make sure that this term is also removed from each and every article about software that runs on multiple platforms via the same technique as mc. Ghettoblaster (talk) 12:00, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to add that I agree that quite a lot of (mostly open source) apps qualify as "cross-platform" under this definition, but this does not make this category useless. There are also a lot of apps that are far away from being cross-platform like for instance: iChat, Microsoft Visio, Front Row (software), Command & Conquer: Generals, K3b, etc. Compare these to for instance the Opera (web browser). Ghettoblaster (talk) 12:12, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Minor Barnstar

		The Minor Barnstar
		For catching many tiny and unnoticed errors! rCX (talk) 15:54, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Like... [2] [3]. rCX (talk) 15:54, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

SpartaDOS X

You have put an "unreferenced" tag into the SpartaDOS X. Could you please explain, what "reliable sources" do you expect to be cited? Mamurra (talk) 12:29, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, compared to many other operating system articles, this one seems to be already quite good, but I noticed a lack of (inline) references. In case you know more about the subject than I do, please add references/sources to the article to improve it. See these Wikipedia guidelines for more information on this topic:

Thank you for your contributions. Ghettoblaster (talk) 23:07, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see. Could you please add the "citation needed" tags to the places, where the source references are necessary in your opinion? Then I will see what I can do fixing them. Mamurra (talk) 12:32, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OOXML Leading office suite

Hello, Well I know that MS Office IS the leading Office suite, but I still don't know what it has to do in the header. What would really be relevant for OOXML would be to know the market share of deployed Office suites using OOXML (ECMA version), because only the last Office version use it as default. Still it would be much more relevant in a "Adoption" chapter - which oddly does not exist, that in the header, IMHO. Just for information, my company is really Microsoft-products-centric, but still use the previous version of Office, and will stick with it for a long time. I think that reason is simply to have an homogeneous Office version with the majority of its partners. So even if OOXML has become the default for Office, it will still need some time to be as ubiquitous as Office itself, which bring us back to my remark about the "leading office suite" sentence. Hervegirod (talk) 16:11, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The point here is that OOXML is currently the default file format of the leading office suite out there. I think this is worth mentioning in the lead section whether there is a separate "Adoption" chapter or not. Ghettoblaster (talk) 16:22, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Btw, here are some interesting statistics on OOXML adoption: [4] [5] Ghettoblaster (talk) 16:31, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Its the default for Office 2007 only. Your interesting link shows that OOXML has passed ODF in terms of adoption, but that compared to the previous versions of Office, the old formats are still much more used (94,000 results for DOCX versus 44,600,000 for DOC, for example). This is the reason why I (still) don't like the idea of having this in the header. It is not, as you write, the default file format of the leading office suite, but the default file format for the last version of the leading office suite, and (even subtle) this makes a lot of difference. Please note that I'm sure that DOCX adoption will continue to increase over time, as people will switch to the new version of Office. But for the moment the sentence is misleading, because it implies that it is used by the Office suite that has the biggest market share. it is used by a minor portion of the deployed versions of the leading Office suite. Hervegirod (talk) 17:16, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point now and I agree that the current wording might be somewhat misleading (this is not my native language). However, I do believe that even if OOXML is only the default file format for the last version of the leading office suite, this is still very important for the adoption of OOXML. Microsoft already confirmed that the next version of MS Office will continue to support OOXML. Based on the Microsoft Office market share and the current file format adoption rate, it seems that "ODF has clearly won" (which has been stated earlier) is not quite true. Also, don't forget that there are addons for older versions of MS Office that add OOXML support. Ghettoblaster (talk) 17:30, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you, OOXML market share will only increase over time because of the fact it is used by Office 2007 (the "ODF has clearly won" sentence was obviously POV). Hervegirod (talk) 19:22, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I don't agree that this is the only reason. It is just one important factor. Good compatibility with the existing billions of documents in the older binary formats is another one. Even if ODF has some advantages from a technical standpoint, it is just not as compatible with existing documents. Ghettoblaster (talk) 19:37, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

November 2008

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did to OpenDocument. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, this really funny. Seems like you're the guy hiding behind an anonymous IP that is vandalizing the OpenDocument article for some time now. Fortunately, I'm not the only one there restoring the completely valid, verifiable and referenced content that you're repeatedly trying to remove from this article. Ghettoblaster (talk) 19:20, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest that you better admit your wrong-doings instead of blaming others. Otherwise one can get little bit suspicious that you are one of those guys Microsoft is paying for editing Wikipedia articles. -- Thomas van der Holt

Hi, Thomas van der Holt (aka anonymous vandal IP)! I'm curious about it. Would you mind explaining what kind of "wrong-doings" you convicted me of doing? Ghettoblaster (talk) 20:17, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Getting money for M$ and being their lobbyist? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.65.204.36 (talk) 18:24, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, sadly not. However, Linus Torvalds and Richard Stallman don't pay me either. I've got a real job in real life in the real world. Do you? Ghettoblaster (talk) 00:52, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image categories

Why are you changing the category of Microsoft Windows images to "Screenshots of Windows software"? This makes no sense at all. One of us is going to have to go back and fix this mess, and I'd rather it be you. Warren -talk- 19:06, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relax, everyone makes mistakes. This was a copy+paste mistake. Should be fixed now. Any other images where you noticed problem? Ghettoblaster (talk) 00:44, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comparison of OpenDocument Format software

Hi, I dont created the column ISO/IEC 26300:2006 in comparison of ODF software. Some other user from Germany (85.179.106.8) created it - I think as a "answer" for my editation of OOXML software comparison, whre I put column ISO/IEC 29500:2008. We must make clear, what is this column ISO/IEC. I created it in OOXML software comparison, because there was no warning, that most of listed software has not ISO/IEC implemented (not for reading, not for writing). I think, that every software should have according information, if ISO/IEC is implemented (for reading and writing). As far as I know, in OOXML software most software dont have ISO/IEC implemented, I think because it was created before ISO 29500:2008 was standardized. In ODF software most software have ISO/IEC implemented, because it was created after ISO 26300:2006 was standardized. Information about ISO/IEC implemented is very important for public authorities, that must use only some official (ISO) standards stated in their "local law". But there is difference between "read" ISO/IEC files and "create/write/save" ISO/IEC files. I tried to create separate validation table in ODF comparison software, where I validate very simple files created in every listed software. I think, this is objective step - because everyone can try to validate simple created file. I write there "valid" or "not valid" - but this is only for "write/save" capabilities of the software. I dont precise tested read capabilities.

I write text "not valid" to column "ISO/IEC" in tables, where is comparison of "text" "spreadsheet" and "presentations" software, because I want to be correct - and inform, that saved files are not valid. When anonymous user (85.179.106.8) want to show, if listed software work with ISO/IEC, I only try to answer and put correct information on Wikipedia.

I think, it is unfair to mix reading and writing capabilities. I also think, that it is unfair write "no, ISO/IEC is not implemented" because one of three created files is not valid and 2 created files are valid. Writing capabilities are ISO/IEC compliant, but there is some "imperfection" in write capabilities - so this software has no ISO/IEC implemented ? What version of ODF it has than implemented ? Therefore I write "yes - ISO/IEC is implemented" but (some) created/saved files are "not valid".

I think, that useful could be give software some number of "stars" from 1 to 5 - as did ODF Fellowship - http://opendocumentfellowship.com/applications

So my answer to your comment "the column is utterly useless if we count non-valid documents as 'yes'" is : I think, there should be two columns - read capabilities and write capabilities, or maybe three columns - declared implementation, read capabilities, write capabilities. Another solution is write to one column, if sotware has ISO/IEC read capabilities and after comma write possible problems with ISO/IEC compliancy in saved documents.

What you think ?

2008-11-30 IP 213.151.217.130

Office software that creates non-valid (thus non-standard) ISO/IEC 26300:2006 documents does in fact not support the ISO/IEC 26300:2006 standard. You just confirmed that standards are very important for public authorities. I think it is "unfair" and misleading to say that office suites with non-valid output ("imperfections") support ISO/IEC 26300:2006. These files are useless to public authorities if they are not valid. Think about what everyone is going to say about Microsoft Office 14 if it does not write valid ISO/IEC 29500:2008 files. As you might or might not know, ECMA-376 and ISO/IEC 29500:2008 are (for the most part) almost identical. So from your standpoint, Microsoft Office 2007 does already support ISO/IEC 29500:2008 (not valid and with some "imperfections", but who cares?). I think we have to be very careful here. In fact, we should move away from these validations of "simple documents". Most documents from public authorities are probably much more complex. Sweeping this under the rug is again very misleading. Why not try to open and save the standard specification itself in the application? This will be much more useful. Ghettoblaster (talk) 14:45, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see now, that I make a mistake in my text - I wrote "Writing" instead of "Reading": "Reading capabilities are ISO/IEC compliant, but there is some "imperfection" in write capabilities - so this software has no ISO/IEC implemented ?" I think, that informations about read, write and declared capabilities (compliancy with ISO) should be in separated columns, but it will be useful, if "cumulative" column exists. If a software can very good read all ISO documents, but cannot write valid ISO documents, then both these informations should be listed IMO. I agree with you, that we have to be very careful with writing statements. I could try to make validation of specification document itself. But there are three problems: I dont know quality of validators. With some documents the validators give different results. (So which validator has right?) Second: some text editors (like Abiword) dont support all advanced editing that is used in much complex documents. Third problem is IMO more important - why to expose ODF software to critical fire, if OOXML software dont have any validation on OOXML article ? I think OOXML and ODF must have the same base criteria for comparison. Otherwise it will be unfair to ODF. OOXML has today more support than ODF and "thanks" to MS Office default format it will be much more used than ODF. My validation tests work with simple documents, because I work for public authority and I see that most of documents are very simple (no tables, specific formatting, pictures, etc). But I know that there are some public authorities, that publish sometimes very complex documents.