Talk:Ryan Giggs/Archive 2

I correted a bit of vandalism which stated that RG GF was HARRIET HARMAN. There were a couple of other changes made re 19810 being changed to 1990 and accrington Stanley being substituted for another oteam. I've no idea if these are right or wrong and hope that the editors who know about Giggs will check these out.89.240.246.207 (talk) 22:01, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Intro

..is far too long. Whilding87 00:13, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but what does this mean? Am I just bad at English? "Giggs is Manchester United's longest-serving current player, but unfortunately suffers from a severe lack of talent."Foreverkeeper2 (talk) 16:18, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Image

Is there any image which can be used for this article? Newone 04:35, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Image:Ryan Giggs.jpg? Kjetil r 18:31, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

umm you dont have to have english parents or grand parents to play for england

giggs was eligible to play for england but didn't because he's welsh through and through he's said himself on his icons homepage. clean up please! plus as has been discussed earlier his grandfather was african

What is so difficult to understand about this? Neither Giggs himself, nor either of his parents, nor any of his grandparents, were born in England. HE NEVER WAS ELIGIBLE TO PLAY FOR ENGLAND. For Giggs the old Rule 18 of the FIFA Regulations Governing the Application of Statutes, in effect from the early 1960s until 31 December 2003 would have applied:

“1. Any player who is a naturalised citizen of a country in virtue of that country's laws shall be eligible to play for a national or representative team of that country.

“ 2. If a player has been included in a national or representative team of a country for which he is eligible to play pursuant to §1, he shall not be permitted to take part in an international match for another country. Accordingly, any player who is qualified to play for more than one national association (i.e. who has dual nationality) will be deemed to have committed himself to one association only when he plays his first international match in an official competition (at any level) for that association.

“ 3. The only players exempt from this provision are those whose nationality has been changed not voluntarily but as the result of an international decree either granting independence to a region or ceding part of one country to another.”

For younger players, the new Rule 15, in effect since 1 January 2004 applies:

"1. Any person holding the nationality of a country is eligible to play for the representative teams of the Association of his country. The Executive Committee shall decide on the conditions of eligibility for any Player whose nationality entitles him to represent more than one Association.

"2. As a general rule, any Player who has already represented one Association (either in full or in part) in an official competition of any category may not play an international match with another Association team.

"3. If a Player has more than one nationality, or if a Player acquires a new nationality, or if the Player is eligible to play for several Association teams due to his nationality, the following exceptions apply:

"(a) Up to his 21st birthday, a player may only once request changing the Association for which he is eligible to play international matches. A Player may exercise this right to change Associations only if he has not played at “A” international level for his current Association and if, at the time of his first full or partial appearance in an international match in an official competition of any other category, he already had such nationalities. Changing Associations is not permitted during the preliminary competition of a FIFA competition, continental championship or Olympic Tournaments if a player has already been fielded in a match of one of these competitions.

"(b) Any Player who has already acquired eligibility to play for one Association but has another nationality imposed upon him by a government authority, is also entitled to change associations. This provision is not subject to any age limits.

"4. Any Player who wishes to exercise this right to change Associations shall submit a written and substantiated request to the FIFA general secretariat. After submitting the request, the player is no longer qualified to play for his current Association’s team. The Players’ Status Committee shall decide on the request. The committee’s decision may be brought before the Appeal Committee. The Regulations for the Status and Transfer of Players contain more detailed provisions.

"5. Any Players who have already had their 21st birthday at the time of implementation of these provisions and who fulfil the requirements in par. 3 (a) are also entitled to submit such a request to change Associations. This entitlement will expire definitively twelve months after implementation of this provision."

So players can switch once between countries for which they are eligible once before they are 21. However, for players eligible to play for the British home nations, since they only have once citizenship between them, the 1993 agreement between the 4 FAs still applies, which provides that a player holding a British passport is eligible to play for the country of his birth, the country of the birth of either of his natural parents or the country of birth of any of his natural grandparents. If the player, his natural parents and his natural grandparents were born outside the U.K., he may play for the home country of his choice. -- Arwel (talk) 20:25, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Infobox image

User Orangina2/87.244.92.100 keeps removing the image from the infobox. Granted, it's by no means a professional grade photo, But "not particularly good" is not a particularly good reason for removing the image when it is serviceable and adequately shows what Giggs looks like. Unless you have a better reason for removing the image or you can find a better free license alternative, please leave it alone. --Ytny (talk) 14:31, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I second that. Chensiyuan 14:32, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

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Appearances

Giggs' appearances for Man Utd seems to have a different figure for every "reliable source" that you go to. One says 504 league appearances, one says 443, the infobox says 722, Manutd.com says 717 total appearances (including Charity Shields and Super Cups), as does the BBC. The BBC says he's been a sub 54 times, this site 60. I'm going to match everything up with the BBC site and put it as a reference now. If there are any problems with this, please discuss them here. --El Pollo Diablo (Talk) 12:06, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

surely everything should be matched to what man utd say, no?? the man utd page here has giggs at over 740 games (743 if i remember correctly, as of time of writing this) yet this page states over 500. why is there a difference? does this page only take league appearances, or something like that? if so, maybe this should be stated? it's confusing reading one number and then the player page has a different number. 194.221.133.226 (talk) 15:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I take it this question has been clarified with the addition of the new table at the bottom, but does anyone know how many 'Premier League appearances he has? ie. excluding the few games he played for the '91-92 old First Division season? In the article it says his first full appearance was for the Manchester derby, which was on May 4, 1991. Anyone know how many remaining games Man United played after that? I ask because at the moment, Gary Speed apparently holds the record for the most Premier League appearances at 521, which sits uneasy with me as Giggs has got 528 league appearances to his name. If we knew how many he played in the '91-92 season, we could deduce the no. of Premier League appearances. Thanks. Feudonym (talk) 04:04, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

also, it says he's scored 143 goals in all competitive matches, but it adds up to 144. Can anyone clarify this? Feudonym (talk) 04:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

One Club player?

Is Giggs now considered a one club player, its been 15 years, which was the wikipedia criteria? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.183.68.91 (talk) 17:04, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Age

Giggs was born in 1973 not 1971 as mentioned on this page. I have amended his birth-date to reflect this —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.153.167 (talk) 20:30, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Goals scored

I asked this question earlier but it wasn't answered. Has he scored 144 or 145 for Man U? If you add up the goals scored in the first table it comes up to 145, but it says 144 in the total. And the second table is even worse, the tally comes to 136; apparently he scored 6 extra League Cup goals in those missing years, and the FA Cup tally is 9 but says 10. And finally on top of that, he scored yesterday's pen so that would need updating. If he has scored 145 goals or more, the MUFC Top Goalscorers table would need editing as David Herd is at no. 10 with 145 goals. Hope someone looks into this. Feudonym (talk) 08:42, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Please, visite Stretfordend.co.uk - it is official site of MU's statistics. It lists Giggs' detailed career statistics down to every match he played. All stats are up-to-date.--81.91.48.174 (talk) 18:23, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Caps/goals

In the infobox, showed caps and goals from all competitions. Changed it to league stats only. —Zwerker (talk) 21:17, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Dutch ancestry

I just wondered where Giggs gets his dutch ancestry from. Was his grandmother on his father's side from the Netherlands? 213.10.46.8 (talk) 20:46, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Sierra Leone his grandmother. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.142.153.165 (talk) 14:25, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Overview

I don't understand the need for this section. The content itself isn't an issue, but surely if it's important enough to separate from sections of his career, it belongs in the lead? 82.5.72.161 (talk) 00:18, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Possible citation needed in first paragraph

It says Giggs "is famed as one of the greatest wingers of all time in the game". If that is a quote then it needs to be sourced. If it is merely the opinion of a wikipedia editor then it needs to be removed or reworded. Skip1337 (talk) 10:26, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

British Players to win the Champions League Twice

This article states in two different places that Giggs is one of a few British Players to win the CL twice. However in one place (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Giggs#cite_ref-4) it says the others are Steve McManaman and Owen Hargreaves and then later says there were 6 and lists them (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Giggs#Records_.26_other_awards). I believe this fact is pointless and inaccurate and should be removed. There are at least 7 British players from the Forest team that won it twice in 1979 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_European_Cup_Final) and 1980 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_European_Cup_Final) that haven't been included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.106.46.47 (talk) 04:15, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

This fact refers to the UEFA Champions League, not the European Champion Clubs' Cup, so those Forest players would not be eligible. However, I do think that the two lists need sorting out, at least so they match each other. – PeeJay 07:56, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah, it seems the lists are OK as they are. The first list refers to players who played in and won the Champions League final twice, while the other list simply refers to players who have won the Champions League title. Although Wes Brown and Paul Scholes never played in 1999 and Gary Neville never played in 2008, they are all deemed to have won the title twice, as they all received medals for both title wins. – PeeJay 07:59, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

They are the same competition though - when you talk about how many times a team has won it, you include the records for both the time when it was referred to as the "European Champions Clubs' Cup" and the "UEFA Champions League". Even to start with this fact is rather trivial, if you have to restrict it in an uncommon way to make it true that makes it even more silly. I don't think it really adds anything to this article... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.106.46.47 (talk) 16:08, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Corner Specialist

There is no mention of Giggs being the main corner taker for both Man United and Wales, being as it has resulted in so many of the team goals, it should be worth mentioning, I also have a free image of giggs taking a corner which I am willing to use to add to the article if needed 13:11, 04 December 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.124.64.142 (talk)

More images are always useful, but I'm not sure that taking corners is that much of a specialist role to need an extensive mention here. After all, Michael Carrick, Wayne Rooney and Nani also take corners for Man Utd to equal, and sometimes greater effect than Giggs. – PeeJay 14:55, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Well maybe the word specialist is a bad one to use but he is a very sucessful corner taker and despite other players recently taking them, he has been the primary taker of corners for years (and sometimes free kicks too), I will upload the image and show it on here as I feel a metion of Gigg's set piece ability is needed 16:01, 05 December 2008 (UTC)