Talk:CM Punk

Early career

How come there is no mention of him fracturing his skull in a match against Reckless Youth? 138.163.0.42 01:45, 14 June 2007]]Yeah ur right.

Hardline?

i'm taking that out. he can't "act hardline" by being straightedge and a jerk. Hardline was a specific belief structure that encompassed many things beyond being militantly straightedge.

Recent History

Just wondering what happened to the fact that he won a fatal four-way match to win the number 1 contender spot on the June 26th episode of ECW on SciFi? That could have contributed to this so called "feud" with Nitro (Morrison). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Starsfan32 (talk • contribs)

• It was a 2/3 falls match with Elijah Burke, and it's already mentioned in the article. --MarcK 08:50, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Pepsi Plunge

Should a note be added to it such as "Pre-WWE" or "Debut-2005?" Otherwise, a casual fan could read the article and expect to see the Plunge regularly. I've seen other articles list dates next to finishers that are no longer used. Gavyn Sykes 23:14, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Follower

"CM Punk is a follower of Straight Edge, a culture which he follows in real life". CM Punk is either Straight Edge or he isn't. Much like Joey Styles calling Kevin Thorn a "follower of the Vampire lifestyle, saying that he is a "a follower of Straight Edge" sounds alot like weasel wording and only cheapens his life decisions by calling him a "follower". Joey Styles sounds like he's parroting Vince McMahon who always seems critical of lifestyles he doesn't understand (like when he criticized Nick Bollea on "Hogan Knows Best" for having a frathawk) and wikipedia should not reflect Vince McMahon's limited understanding of or passive aggressive animosity towards anything "subculture" related.

• How is that a weasel word? It's just a figure of speech. The only difference between being "a follower of straight edge" and simply "straight edge" is purely semantic. --MarcK 01:41, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
• It's weasel wording to call anyone a "follower". One could call Joey Styles a color commentator. Which is conceivable as that's what he DOES and, therefore, what he IS. But when you start calling him a "follower of the color commentator lifestyle" you sound like a repressed suburban parent left handedly accusing him of following a trend or going through a phase. So, no, it's not semantics, it's weasel wording. It's not a figure of speach. It's a phrase designed specifically to demean someone. In this case, CM Punk and Kevin Thorn.
• Color commentary is a profession, straight edge (or vampirism) is a life choice, there's a difference. Joey Styles is a color commentator so he gets paid, Punk is straight edge because it's what he believes. Regardless, this still isn't weasel wording; putting "some people say CM Punk is one of the best wrestlers ever" would be weasel wording. Saying "CM Punk is a follower of straight edge" is not. If you think it should be changed, then fix it, because I don't think it changes the article either way. And if you ask whoever put that phrase there I sincerely doubt they were trying to "demean" him. --MarcK 07:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
  • I missed this discussion and as the person who wrote the lead I should explain why I use the exposition in it. Part of WP:ARTICLE is to partially explain links rather than haphazardly linking to them and assuming the reader will click them. Simply saying "he is straight edge" makes an assumption the reader a. knows what straight edge is, b. knows how straight edge works and c. (which partially falls under a) knows its place in culture. By listing him as a follower of the straight edge culture I am not attempting to demean him, it's proper English given the circumstances and shortening it gives an unnecessary burden on the reader. On a related topic I should say it's amusing that I would've spent so much time on this article, writing and re-writing it, sourcing all of it, looking for free use images and trying to get this to featured article status just so I could include a tiny one word jab at him in the lead that need to be analysed to see. –– Lid^(Talk) 14:24, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Pic of Punk drinking

I've read people refering to a pic of Punk with a beer in his hand. Can anyone confirm if this is true?? --Endlessdan 14:06, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I know that I've seen pictures of Punk with a cup of Pepsi in his hand, but have never seen a cup of beer in his hand. --64.252.90.136 08:03, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

The picture that people are refering to is from the 15th Anniversary RAW special. At the end a majority of wreslters all came out to the ring to celebrate 15 years of RAW. Most of the wrestlers were drinking beer, I believe it was Miller I just know it was a blue can. Several people had alternate beverages Punk is confirmed to have been drink a Pepsi, Regal had a Coca-cola, and some one had water. The blue pepsi can and blue beer are very similar which created the rumor of him drinking. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RavynChloe (talk • contribs) 16:29, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

thats true. can't remember what show it was for, i think maybe the WWE radio channel, regardless, Cody Rhodes had gone on the record as saying that several wrestlers who never were drinkers like cm punk or who stopped drinking like he has had alternative beverages @ the anniversary show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.85.139.197 (talk) 01:16, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

15 Mins. Of Fame

Can someone please add that CM Punk won the 15 Minutes of Fame watch regaining a natch at SummerSlam for the ECW World Championship. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BIGCANDICEFAN (talk • contribs)

We don't do week by week things, it MIGHT be note worthy if he wins at SS Swanton Bomber 00:14, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Intro

The intro is not supposed to be a whole biographt. shorten it. PayneXKiller 19:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Music on sky sports ad

Does anyone no what the music on the SKY Sports Vignette is? As we don't have as many ad breaks as americans there is usually a wrestler related short video instead. I'd love to know what its called a. because i like it but b. because i think it should be put in the article. Thanks User:George bennett90.205.60.50 15:06, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I like it isn't a reason to insert something into a article. Davnel03 19:42, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Importance

In WikiProjects Professional Wrestling, and Chicago, CM Punk is a high-importance article. CM Punk is [in wrestling] an indie-lengend, and one of the only main-event wrestlers to represent Chicago. Punk is also a 1-time and current ECW Champion and has held multiple championships in ROH. For these reasons, I have changed his importance to high, because low is unacceptable. Lex^{94 Talk Contributions Guest Book} 11:34, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

"Professional wrestlers in Chicago" would make it high for Chicago however on the balance he isn't on the level of true "high" level peiople from Chicago such as Barack Obama etc. Even in wrestling being "high" are someone with probaby legendary careers that are below Top importance to the sport as a whole (for example Rikidozan and Hulk Hogan would be top while high would be people like Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit). Punk hasn't had the career length or achievements to justify a high ranking, however his ECW reign and ROH reign puts him above the average wrestler and thus a mid is applicable. –– Lid^(Talk) 11:51, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I find that CM Punk is more important than that. Punk is like the new John Cena. Multiple wrestling companies fought to get him on their roster, because he connects naturally with the audience, and connects naturally with the mat. He seems like the MESSIAH of professional wrestling. Lex^{94 Talk Contributions Guest Book} 23:50, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

"Like the new John Cena" is a personal opinion and considering Cena is a three-time WWE champion and one of the longest reigning champions ever among multiple other reasons it's only basing his importance based off his potential rather than just how important he actually is. There have been many next big things that have come and gone that are not of high importance (see: Lesnar, Brock). –– Lid^(Talk) 23:57, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

That's true; point made. Just going to have to wait and see if Punk is actually the next big thing.Lex^{94 Talk Contributions Guest Book} 00:41, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

The "CM" in CM Punk

I'm sure this has been brought up a ton of times before but I've found this site that says in an interview at an AIDS conference that he told the crowd that the "CM" stands for Cookie Master. The exact address is http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=199502441 I don't know how reliable you all would consider this site though. I just figured I could try and help out. Stillboy2191 (talk) 04:26, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

It's been added as part of the references in CM Punk#Gimmick to the CM section. –– Lid^(Talk) 05:07, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

He said in the issue of WWE Magazine with himself on the cover (I think it was a October issue) that if you look at his moonsaults they're crooked so the CM stands for Crooked Moonsault and also can stand for Cookie Master. WeLsHy (talk) 01:43, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Punk has given varying answers for what the CM stands for. At one time it was that he was in a tag team where they had CM :Chick Magnet, he has also said the Crooked Moonsault and Cookie Monster, Other times he said while growing up that he was a Crazy Mother----. So it seems he changes his answer occasionally. RavynChloe 11:34, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

He also said it was named after a character in the Simpsons. Lex ^T/_C Guest Book 19:28, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Someone told me "C" stands for Chicago (his birthplace) but didn't know what the "M" is for. Feral Mind (talk) 10:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

We also should add that he joked about CM standing for "crazy mariachi" --195.22.191.4 (talk) 15:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

anaconda vice

does he still do it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.226.24.105 (talk) 21:42, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Nope. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 22:00, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

He does but its more like a backup Finisher if G.T.S doent work ,like Jeff Jarrett ,how he use Acoustic Equalizer / El Kabong (Guitar broken over the opponent's head).

Old Finishing moves

Punk no longer uses the Pepsi Plunge or the Anaconda Vise. Based on other articles, I thought clarifying this by putting dates when they were used after the move name was standard practice. Am I wrong? Nenog reverted my edits in this regard. Is this against the MOS or am I missing something else? Gavyn Sykes (talk) 20:22, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

The real problem is the incorrect dates that are usually placed - Punk used the Vice in the indies from 2005 until EARLY 2007 (he didn't debut the GTS as soon as 2007 rolled around) and used the Plunge from 2001 until Punk: The Final Chapter in 2005. I have no problem with the adding of dates, but the major issue is that most of his name signatures need dates as well and I am trying to think of a way to add them without them looking ugly. –– Lid^(Talk) 03:00, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Finisher: GTS Link

The link after "G.T.S. – Go To Sleep" doesn't seem to go to the right place in the page. I believe capitalising the 's' for 'sleep' should fix this. (Professional_wrestling_attacks#Go_2_Sleep) (90.203.60.229 (talk) 18:10, 13 February 2008 (UTC))

It works fine for me. Nenog (talk) 18:18, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

High importance?

I disagree here. He's a notable indy wrestler and has had two years or so in WWE. That's not enough to give him high importance, especially when an article like Dave Bautista is rated Low. Batista is probably much more well known than Punk and in my opinion (though I do dislike Batista) more important than Punk. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 18:51, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree, in fact I didn't like it getting raised to "mid" importance in the first place as I saw it as being excessive. –– Lid^(Talk) 20:53, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I was going to argue for a low importance myself. Maybe mid, but that's pushing it. Gavyn Sykes (talk)

I'm with you guys. He's getting closer to Mid, with his success in WWE, but he might still be Low. Definitely not High. - Geoffg (talk) 06:27, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

i would agree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigguy1111 (talk • contribs) 23:50, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

andaconda vise

why dosen't he do the andaconda vise any more —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.43.57 (talk) 21:51, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a forum. --Cheers, LAX 21:53, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Why ?

Why is there no mention of Punk cracking his skull open and refusing to take meds? I think this is important because it shows how true he is to being straight-edge and shows his dedication to it. Herotastic (talk) 03:22, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

King of the Ring

I think that in that where it says that he made it to the finals of the King of the Ring it should also be mentioned that he defeated Matt Hardy and Chris Jericho in the process. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.234.51.180 (talk) 01:00, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

"Mr. Money in the Bank"

This is awful petty on my part, but technically, CM Punk is just the current holder of the Money in the Bank case. He's not "Mr. Money in the Bank." That name was used by Rob Van Dam who was known as "Mr. Monday Night" and "Mr. Pay-Per-View" when he was actively wrestling. They used "Mr. Money in the Bank" when he won at WM 23. CM Punk isn't "Mr. Money in the Bank." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.118.80.65 (talk) 07:00, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree but it was WM 22 not 23... just thought id say that.166.217.73.14 (talk) 20:58, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

No. Mr. Money in the Bank were also used by Edge, Kennedy and Punk after RVD's reign as Mr. Money in the Bank.

Proof of CM Punk being called Mr. Money in the Bank: [1], [2], [3], [4], and most importantly: his bio Alex ^T/_C Guest Book 04:50, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Fourth, not third

Punk is the fourth wrestler to win the WWE/World Heavyweight and ECW Titles, not the third. Before him were RVD, Big Show, and Vince Mcmahon. (Sawyer (talk) 03:45, 1 July 2008 (UTC))

Actually he is the first to win the World Heavyweight and ECW Championship. The World Heavyweight (WWE) isn't the same titles that Big Show, RVD, and Vince held. They all held the WWE. No one before has won those two titles besides Punk.--WillC 04:15, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Aren't you both forgetting Kane? He completed that criteria before Punk, having held a WWE World Title before Punk did. But it's not really important anyways, just pointing something out.

Donco (talk) 18:36, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Kane held the WWE Championship. Not the World Heavyweight, so he would go with RVD, Show and Vince. So it is 4 to have held both WWE and ECW Championships. And 1 to hold the World and ECW championships.--DanteAgusta (talk) 20:59, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Theme Music

Why is CM Punk's WWE theme music not listed? There isn't even a section for that to be listed in his theme music area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.201.172.139 (talk) 04:31, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Please read the entire article first. There is a theme music section. See here. -- iMatthew _T.C. 01:52, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, there is a section for Theme Music, but only subsections for Full Impact Pro, Major League Wrestling, IWA Mid South, Ring of Honor, and St. Pauls Championship Wrestling. There is NO WWE theme subsection, and no mention of his current theme This Fire Burns by Killswitch Engage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.201.172.139 (talk) 22:01, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Then why don't you just add it? 170.69.248.21 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 13:43, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

It is listed, look under the World Wrestling Entertainment section. –– Lid^(Talk) 22:40, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I dont see the edit button on his main page but last time I saw him in Ring of Honor he was using the song 'Cop' by Alkaline Trio as his intro song.--99.140.168.62 (talk) 05:26, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Religion

This article has him tagged under the American atheists category, i can find nothing that says he is an atheist. Somebody needs to find a source or remove him from the category

He states "there is no God" on his livejournal, makes reference to it on his website in the Ask Punk section, references it again in the shoot with Samoa Joe, referred to as atheist in Punk v Hero TLC match, a fair few early ROH appearances... these are off the top of my head but I can look in the archive for a listing I made a while back. –– Lid^(Talk) 22:43, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

what did he say in the shoot interview about being athiest. I remember seeing him point to heaven after the whole chris benoit tragedy when he won th enumbe rone contender so I really dont know anymore.

Punk's Trainers

In Punk's 'Statistics' section he is listed as having been trained by Dave Taylor, Fit Finlay and William Regal. The source for this is an interview with Punk in which he says:

'One night the crowd was down and the Smart Mark Video guys didn’t tape the show, so I told Ian [Rotten] I wanted to do a time limit draw with [Chris] Hero for the belt. He was cool with it and I told him I wanted to go an hour just to see if we could do it. Before that match we trained with Dave Taylor, Fit Finlay and William Regal to prepare for it.'

From this I get the impression that he was merely doing conditioning training, rather than being taught fundamentals of the wrestling business. Even if this isn't the case (and I appreciate my interpretation isn't the only one,) I don't believe that a very brief amount of time spent preparing for a single match (well after Punk's professional debut) constitutes 'training.' By this token, someone like Raven would also have to be cited as a 'trainer' since, according to Punk in the same interview, 'he has taught me so much. I am completely fortunate to have been taken under his wing. He will freely admit to me being his protégé... I have so much to learn and I am fortunate to have him as my teacher.'

92.22.70.175 (talk) 15:19, 25 July 2008 (UTC) Blake Campbell

Pic of CM Punk getting his hair pulled.

The picture doesn't look like it has any real importance and should probably be removed.Killhammer (talk) 14:48, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Title defences

Since winning the World Heavyweight title, Punk has successfully defended against Batista. Shortman81 (talk) 05:36, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

SO?--WillC 05:49, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

To expand on that, his title defense was non-notable, since it wasn't a huge feud and didn't result in anything real big. So it's not notable per WP:N and also WP:RECENTISM. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 15:32, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Should there be an image of him as World Champ? WiiTendo2 (talk) 14:52, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

If an image can be found that complies with Wikipedia's image guidelines, then yes. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 16:49, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I read serveral WWE pages we should've new policy Gavyn Sykes's WrestlingWiki Rules - Whatever Gavyn think is alway wright. - If Gavyn said it's not important means it will be reversed back to old version. - If Gavyn said it's week by week and non-notable means it will be reversed back to old version. - If you didn't agree with Gavyn Sykes please read first rule again.

Sorry Gavyn, I know you've good faith but I think your judgement is very nonsenese sometime. In this case vs Batista, vs JBL is not important to you. It doesn't mean other guys must see it like you.

I respect you for your work but please listen to other guy.Pitejung (talk) 08:44, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Please read WP:N and WP:RECENTISM. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 16:47, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Gavyn Sykes word is not the end all to be all of of Wikipedia wrestling editors. But if you want to make note of title defences that were not really anything than you could have it worded like: "Brooks than defended the title against a number of opponents over the next few weeks. Than so and so became the next big challenge put in front of Brooks..." or something like that. That way you can satisfy all editors. Mr. C.C. (talk) 19:59, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

CM Punk On Smackdown

I have been trying to look up information on CM Punk debuting on Smackdown before going to ECW. I do remember CM Punk being on Smackdown doing a few jobs before going to ECW. But again I haven't been able to find any information on it. Mr. C.C. (talk) 19:49, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

If I recall correctly, this was the April 7 edition of Smackdown in 06, and he lost to The Gemini. Long story of why I remember... Alex ^T/_C Guest Book 20:11, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

It was the Talent exhange NO Duh-WWE Fana —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wwe.fana (talk • contribs) 07:45, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Relationship with Maria

Recently, CM Punk and Maria got back together, which should be notable to add in his personal life section. I found it out when Maria Kanellis confirmed it through her Facebook page. Kill The Shadows —Preceding undated comment was added at 21:49, 12 December 2008 (UTC).

Maria is not back with CM Punk, she said in a recent incident with Opie and Anthony that she's dating a cameraman, it was initially thought he was a cameraman with WWE, but that may not be the case. The interview can be heard at this link http://maria-kanellis.org/2008/12/17/maria-on-opie-anthony/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.0.21.28 (talk) 21:01, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Copyedit in progress

PXK from WP:PW asked me to copyedit this article in preparation for FA status. I'll post any issues I'm not comfortable addressing here when I'm finished. --*momoricks* (talk) 23:14, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I've finished copyediting the article. I placed inline tags next to the few things that need citations and clarification, such as jargon terms. Please remember that this is an encyclopedia that should be accessible to everyone. Jargon needs to be wikilinked, if possible, or thoroughly explained when it is used.

I did some rewording for grammar/clarity in the ROH/TNA section, so feel free to look it over to make sure it still says what it means. I noticed the section is a bit hard to get through. Perhaps splitting it up into ROH & TNA subsections would help.

Danny Dominion and Kevin Quinn are important to Punk's early career; however, they don't have articles. If someone has time to create them, that would add to this article.

Congratulations to all the contributors. This is looking good. momoricks ^talk 04:38, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Neither Danny Dominion nor Kevin Quinn are notable in ther own right enough for an article, they are effectively only notable for who they trained in the Steel Domain. In regards to "in preparation for FA status" I need to note this article is FA, it's just due to becomes TFA later in October. –– Lid^(Talk) 05:24, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Only person to hold the WHC & ECW Championship?

"Punk became the only person to hold both the World Heavyweight and ECW Championships." Technically, I could agree as far as when the WCW World Championship became known as the World Championship - the whole Alliance Chris Jericho Undisputed angle back in 2001 - but doesn't the World Heavyweight championship legacy include WCW history? If so, then The Big Show should be included with those who won the World & ECW Championships. 65.43.96.3 (talk) 17:32, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Other than using the same design as the WCW World Championship, the World Heavyweight Championship is considered a separate title entirely. On a side note, I think the whole "only person to hold title of Promotion A and title of Promotion B" is useless trivia. Nenog (talk) 01:38, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Fastest Triple Crown Ever?

Could it be said in his article that he is the fastest WWE Triple Crown Winner at 6 months and 19 days? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.27.242.227 (talk) 06:30, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I just put that on the article and that he beat Kevin Nash's Triple Crown Championship record. --Geekboy6 (talk) 04:32, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

American Atheists

I'm pretty sure CM Punk really is an atheist. Didn't he say this quote, "There is no God, and the cage is 20 feet."? You didn't really need to remove him from this category. I don't think putting him back in would be insulting. --Geekboy6 (talk) 04:32, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Sticky subjects like religion need to be sourced. Saying he is atheist would be like saying he's Jewish or Catholic or Muslim (or any other religion), it needs to be sourced to go in the article. TJ Spyke 04:52, 23 January 2009 (UTC)