Talk:Korn

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WikiProject?

Now that Korn's page has been locked ('til June of 2008), how about we start a Korn Wikiproject or task force? It's relieving now that the stuff is less likely to get edited or removed by a anonymous user. Tjohnsond (talk) 15:32, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

There was a Wikiproject specifically for Korn, but because not enough members joined, the project failed and was redirected to the main task force, Wikiproject:Metal. Talk to User:Thundermaster about it, though. Dark Executioner (talk) 23:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Does anyone know how to put video clips as sources?

...Because on Kornspace.com a few days ago, a video was posted. It was Fieldy, talking about making a new solo album (jazz fusion), an inspirational book and Korn making a new album in 2008 that's more of a return to their roots. However, I don't know how to put the link that'll take you directly there. If anyone can help me out... please do. Dark Executioner (talk) 15:38, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Disregard, I figured it out. :) Dark Executioner (talk) 15:44, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Can someone..

Make the redirect link to Korn: Live in Montreux 2004 work? Much thanks would be apreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kornography (talk • contribs) 01:43, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

You have to use the same capitalization. I fixed it for you. Also, don't forget to sign your posts. = ∫_t^c 5th Eye 02:24, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Update for band picture?

Based on the fact that David Silveria is basically out of the band (JD practically confirmed it), Maybe we should have a new picture of the three remaining members? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kornography (talk • contribs) 21:54, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

'Practically' and 'basically' do not a 'fact' make! Since JD, Head, David, Fieldy and Munky created 75% of Korns music together, shouldn't the picture show all 5 original members? Devil's Advocate, me. Boredofitall (talk) 04:06, 14 July 2008 (UTC)boredofitall

I think you're right. Perhaps we can get one of all five soon enough.--Kornography (talk) 22:30, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

And given that this band sucks serious chode, shouldn't we serious consideration to adding that fact? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.23.249.142 (talk) 02:12, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Whatever if David's offically in the band or not the picture is in serious need of update. I say it should be of a picture they've done more recently. I've removed the picture so that MAYBE somebody will upload a new one. The Asia Awards picture has been in use for 4 FUCKING YEARS.Teresa44 (talk) 23:24, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Bot report : Found duplicate references !

In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)

• "grammy-metal" :
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  • {{Cite web|url=http://www.rockonthenet.com/grammy/metal.htm|title=Grammy Awards: Best Metal Performance|accessdate=2007-10-03|publisher=[[Rock on the Net]]}}
• "billboard-album-peaks" :
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DumZiBoT (talk) 09:52, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Genre discussion

Industrial rock/metal

I updated the "Genre" info to be changed from "Industrial Metal" to "Industrial Rock". I think their later stuff does not have any metal influences or enough of a metal influence to be considered "Industrial Metal", but more of "Industrial Rock" sound....I know, probably not that much of a difference, but think of it as comparing NIN (who are Industrial Rock) to Fear Factory or Dagoba (Industrial Metal). AnthonyG (talk) 19:55, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Too bad individual opinion is not appreciated here on Wikipedia, especially when it comes to something as touchy as genres. Besides, industrial metal was sourced. It's best to not mess with sourced stuff. Remember that this is an encyclopedia next time you edit, man. Dark Executioner (talk) 22:54, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Why is industrial metal mentioned in the infobox? I think it's superfluous because only See You On The Other Side showed some industrial appeals. Alternative metal and Nu metal is enough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jay-Jay215 (talk • contribs) 08:41, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Why there isn't industrial rock Or industrial metal in the infobox???? Both untitled album and See you on the other side are Industrial metal!!!And why alt metal is not there?And why HARD ROCK is there????Just name one song that is hard rock!!!Solino the Wolf (talk) 15:35, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I do not see why Industrial metal is needed either. Its just a genre they simply just included slight elements from in certain parts of their career from what I gather. Just Nu metal and Alternative metal are a more straight forward categorisation so surely those are the only genres that are needed in the infobox. If there was something stating about Industrial metal elements in the styles and influences section, that I would agree with. 86.143.232.16 (talk) 01:11, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

The last two albums(See you... and untitled) are strongly industrial+ I have source for it.Solino the Wolf (talk) 11:23, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

OK I'm tired of this! We have talked it before in a discussion above.The last two albums(See you... and untitled) have strong Industrial music elements.And I have source for my claim.so there is no reason to keep changing it whithout even talking it it here.Please stop doing it OR at least talk your opinion here.thanx.Solino the Wolf (talk) 22:35, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

You cannot add a link that fails Wikipedia's reliable source policy as a reference for your pov. 203.97.49.128 (talk) 23:52, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm happy you finally desided to talk before editing.You're right.I'l need to find a better source.By the way every edit anyone does here IS pov.I know it shouldnt be.But even your reverts are because of your pov.But you're right.Now I have more sources for it.Solino the Wolf (talk) 00:05, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Zimbio.com fails WP:RS and Sputnik can only be used if it's a staff writer... which the writer in that link is not. So they will have to be deleted. The Real Libs-speak politely 00:22, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Libs is correct. Zimbio has copied that material from another site which is just a metal vid site. And Libs is dead on about the Sputnik website; that little entry was written by a fan who hasn't been active since 2007. And the giveaway? "11 out of 15 people [or whatever number it was] thought this review was well written." - If you're a professional journalist you wouldn't even need to have a rating system like that; by default your work would be considered top notch. Find something better or quit the argument please, Solino. Scarian^{Call me Pat!} 04:57, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Nu metal

Has it never occured to call them "nu metal" as thats what they are...--Issueskid (talk) 15:28, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

lol. Dark Executioner just mentioned genres being a touchy subject, and you're already mouthing off about Korn being nu metal (according to whom?) This is why I just leave it as "rock" and nothing else. Rock covers everything, including metal and its subgenres. Lovetoadmire (talk) 16:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Korn are nu metal according to almost everyone except themselves and the reason for that is that they disregard the term altogether. They don't think that nu metal doesn't apply to them, just that it is meaningless and that they prefer not to be categorised. Many bands are like this. This does not mean that wikipedia should say that these bands do not have a genre or anything like that.

Also, they have only been industrial metal since See You on the Other Side so this should be included in the infobox. It would not be anything for this sort of thing to be in infoboxes in any case: check out Napalm Death and Carcass. Munci (talk) 03:09, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Korn is one of the most perfect examples of a band affiliated with the nu metal genre. Also, what the band or one of its members calles the band has little relevance. ~ | twsx | ^talk_cont | ~ 15:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm all for nu metal being placed in the background information of the infobox, but anywhere else isn't really necessary. Also these recent edits in the infobox are getting out of control (almost as much as the vandalism.) People are adding hard rock, alternative rock, experimental, and rapcore to the list without any sources... and I think every Korn fan could agree that Korn have nothing to do with rapcore in their sound. The others are debatable. Lovetoadmire (talk) 01:46, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Rock music

Well rock is what I'm going with, not what some critic or magazine says. Lovetoadmire (talk) 03:20, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, that's not what wikipedia goes with. Sorry for shifting your comment but it was too ambiguous the way it was. Munci (talk) 04:01, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Rock is so vague and doesn't describe Korn at all... and who put "hard rock" up there? That's gone... Tanner9461 (talk) 15:55, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

General discussion

Corey Cinque

As the original Korn vocalist, Corey Cinque should be added to the "former members" list. Machinehead09 02:13, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

No you douche bag that asshole was in a completely different band with James, Reggy, and David. Jonathan Davis is the one who came up with the name Korn in the first place. How could Corey be in a band that doesn't exist?Teresa44 (talk) 23:28, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Mike Bordin

I don't think Bordin should be listed as a Backup Band member, because he was just a fill in from 2000-1, while the backup band started in 2005 and its members are more permanent. Mattpaige (talk) 16:08, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Untitled Korn album article

This page was renamed to Untitled (Korn album) without any prior discussion, even though there is a source for the album literally being without a title. Lovetoadmire (talk) 17:59, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

That's apparently the new standard for naming articles about untitled albums. See Untitled (album). = ∫_t^c 5th Eye 18:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

untouchables

just questioning one of your facts on the take a look in the mirror section... wasnt untouchables the album that was released 4 days early? due to opie and anthony playing about half of the cd on the radio about 2 weeks before it came out, and then after that every other radio station started bitchin saying if they could play we can???? cuz the same thign happened when they did it to eminem that year. just questioning it cuz i rememeber that happening and you dont say why the album was released on friday instead of a tuesday 76.119.204.91 (talk) 20:47, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Nope, it was Take A Look In The Mirror because of an internet leak. EverBe (talk) 21:17, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Niedermeyers Mind

Ummm, where did it go? It was here not long ago? Please explain why this was removed?--Kornography (talk) 21:57, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

It was deleted in accordance with WP:N. = ∫_t^c 5th Eye 05:11, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me? Its more important than half the demo articles on this site. I expect all other demo articles to be deleted unless they were really famous.--Kornography (talk) 17:33, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

They are. Articles about demos are generally not allowed unless the demo is really notable. Most, including Korn's, are not. It's spelled out pretty clearly here. This demo didn't get "significant independent coverage in reliable sources". = ∫_t^c 5th Eye 17:40, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Well then what is All mixed up doing still on the site? Hell, I never even heard of it until the page for it was up one day.--Kornography (talk) 14:15, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

If you read the article, it states that All Mixed Up isn't a demo album, it's an EP of alternate mixes and a rarity. It's not a demo, it was released after the band was signed, and it's available in stores. Nothing wrong with it. = ∫_t^c 5th Eye 14:52, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

The demo was sold on eBay for over $600. Ross Robinson, "godfather" of nu-metal, produced it. The album is definetly "notable" Machinehead09 02:10, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Matrix Criticism?

I seem to remember reading something in this article about Korn receiving negative criticism for employing the Matrix production team to write/co-write their songs. Was this removed due to lack of sourcing or POV issues or what? Livingston 21:34, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

A Simple Thank you

Fior finally updating the bands picture with the 3 surviving members--Kornography (talk) 14:00, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Well its not there anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.163.72.150 (talk) 05:12, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Influences

It [the article] doesn't mention their influences. --↑ɻ⅞θʉɭђɥл₮₴Ṝ 19:56, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

• This should be discussed. It's an essential element in telling this band's story that is not being represented. There's this weird argument of whether or not they are alternative/industrial/nu/metal (since when does every heavy band have to be a kind of metal?), and a citation to a broken link in which they flat out state "We're not metal. We were influenced by metal, but we're not actually metal", but it doesn't discuss where their final fusion came from. The band's very popular; it's not as if no one cares enough about them. So why the lack of effort? (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 20:20, 9 September 2008 (UTC))

JD on TRL

is there a source for this?Llama lom (talk) 01:19, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Page protection

I have protected the page for three days due to the edit war currently going on regarding the genre sourcing. Please discuss this issue on this talk page. Useight (talk) 00:16, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Ray Luzier and David Silveria

Is Ray an official member of the band now?

Also, I've heard some rumors that David Silveria is dead. According to those rumors, he died sometime in 2007, but Korn kept it a secret, and so this is why it was said he never officially quit Korn. I'd like some clarification on both of these subjects. 98.174.219.194 (talk) 17:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

You got that off of a Youtube video didn't you? No he isn't dead. He really did leave to start a chain of restaurants and be with his family. Here's a link to one of his restaurants on Google Images.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Silveria+steakhouse,126+Main+st+huntington+beach,+california&sll=33.865854,-118.078308&sspn=0,358.769531&ie=UTF8&ll=33.657875,-118.000851&spn=0,359.997597&t=h&z=19&iwloc=A&layer=c&cbll=33.657932,-118.000929&panoid=VrUZJlMF7Qi6XtMkJmZRrw&cbp=12,222.78446993376838,,0,-15.290178571428573 --Teresa44 (talk) 02:33, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Alright. But is Ray Luzier the official drummer of Korn now? 98.174.219.202 (talk) 17:48, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

No one has said he is. As far as I know they're still going by the "Not Let Anyone Else in the Band and Use Session Musicians" policy.--Teresa44 (talk) 02:05, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Ray is an official member now. 98.174.219.194 (talk) 18:42, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Discography

Hi there. Just thought I'd drop in and offer a suggestion about the album articles. I don't think that every compilation produced without the band's involvement needs an article. Maybe the compilations that charted on Billboard could be kept, and the rest could be deleted. Just because the band is notable doesn't mean that you have to have an article on everything with their name on it. (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 05:34, 17 March 2009 (UTC))