Talk:Xbox 360

Hardware: Accessories

Xbox 360 and Dreamcast

Is it just me, or does the Xbox 360 controller look like a rip off of the old Dreamcast controller? The anologue stick, with a digital pad beneath it, ABXY buttons. What do you think? Saxsux 15:11, May 21, 2005 (UTC)

I remember people saying exactly the same thing about the original Xbox controller.Sockatume 15:57, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

I'd say most of the conventional button arrangements have been covered, there's not really much room for innovation, short of the rumoured Nintendo Revolution "buttonless" controller.Tzarius 00:20, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Its just you, the design is almost identicle to that of the PS2, but the PS3 controller looks like a trident, seems my duke xbox controller is second best to beating the odd hooligan, when I get a PS3 I can poke em.Wolf online 12:06, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Just to further add to this: the dreamcast controller was based on an analog controller created for the Sega Saturn for the game Nights.

Hard drive?

Why does it say 40 GB on it? • Thorpe • 09:01, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

Do you remember The Register's [speculation] article about two or more versions of the X360? That could be the version with the hard disk....—Quickbreak 12:25, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

That is the removable 40 GB hard-drive which would is beleived to be sold separately (at least in the cheapest version of the system). Dracmir 5:52PM May 9, 2005

The hard drive will be grant retro-compability (Xbox 1 games) giving apropriated software instaled for this. --Mateusc 23:59, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Just comfirmed by microsoft that each 360 will have a detachable 20 gig hard drive with system at launch included with the system.

Is there any info regarding whether this hard drive will be usable by computers? Is the plug compatible (USB?)? Is the drive itself compatible? I was thinking if people get bored with the console maybe they could still use the hard drive as external storage.

Hard Drive included?

On the XBox 360 web site, under Xbox 360 System Performance Specifications, in the Storage section, it lists a "Detachable and upgradeable 20GB hard drive", which sounds to me like the 20GB HD is included. Agree?

Yeah.. see [1] K1Bond007 03:12, May 13, 2005 (UTC)

Wireless Ready

I thought they said it was built-in? If it's only Ready and I have to buy a $100 adapter then BOO-HOO. — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 23:38, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It is not built-in, they haven't said the price, but I doubt it will be 100 bucks.

It is so for the Current-Gen xbox afaik — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 2 July 2005 16:38 (UTC)

Sexual Entertainment Devices

A few pornography companies, including Vivid Entertainment,
have expressed intent to develop sexual accessories to accompany their
future HD interactive pornography releases for the 360.

This is serious? I think the page need to be protected until new information as the official date of the launching are disclosed. --Mateusc 04:57, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Remote

The article says that the deluxe edition comes with the remote, but the picture that shows what is in the box doesn't have the remote in it. It also isn't on the side of the box. Can we get a confirmation on this? Well someone went and did it. They wiped out the article. Any way to bring it back? Nevermind its back, thanks to whoever fixed it.

The remote control is an bonus on the premium edition for limited time.

No, I'm pretty sure it comes with the deluxe edition, why would they make it a "bonus" for a limited time? Amren ^(talk) 21:22, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Umm, because they did. Where did you get the idea that it's not limited? I assume you did at least a little research before posting, but read here, specifically the eighth paragraph, to see the real deal. --Kamasutra 22:20, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Ah I see, so they have two different remotes, and the media remote is the limited one while the universal is separate... thanks for the clarification.Amren ^(talk) 23:24, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Hardware: Specs and Performance related

the PowerPC processor?

Why is microsoft usng a processor that was designed by apple (and IBM and Motorola)? It's like saying "Your better than us so well use your products".

Microsoft don't make PC processors, they make PC software. You're thinking of Intel. Sockatume 13:22, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

So you're saying that Microsoft don't even make the product that they advertise as their own?

(As in they don't make/produce the xbox 360 but they claim they do)

They make the Xbox and the Xbox 360, but they didn't create the x86 processor that went into the Xbox, nor did Apple create the POWER processors which power Macs. Therefore your statement makes no sense. Sockatume 14:29, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Making components to a product is entirely different. Besides, if you look into the history of a lot computer products you'd be surprised. OSX, for instance, is not a native Apple product, it was originally developed by NeXT which was later bought up by Apple. This kind of bridges into yesterday's news that Apple is switching to Intel chips. [2]. K1Bond007 21:15, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

The hardware market's starting to look like a game of musical chairs. Sockatume 01:45, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

My understanding is that PowerPC is very much an IBM product and Apple had very little influence in its design, save as a customer... PowerPC variants are used to power many (most?) IBM supercomputers... and Apple's future products will be Intel-based Staphylococcus 23:55 (GMT) 04 Sept 2005

Serious Xbox 360 Graphics evaluation

This link will supply all of you wikiheads with a the first ever evaluation of the Xbox 360's Graphics http://www.beyond3d.com/articles/xenos/

Procedural Synth

I added a section on the software side of things, but I mostly focused on the procedural synthesis part. ProcSynth looks absolutely neato... my only concern is recociling things in a multiplayer game... for example, one player could be advantaged by a less sparse or differently shaped tree or bushes. DoomBringer 03:49, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Computers don't really do randomness - they use algorithms to generate pseudo-random number sequences driven from a seed value. A given seed value and algorithm returns a predictable result (the same stream of numbers each time). A tree-generation algorithm based on pseudo-random numbers would produce an identical tree given the same seed, so as long as the seed value is stored with each tree in the map data then each tree in the map would look different, but would still be identical on different machines, so shouldn't be a problem for multi-player. Robaker 10:17, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Kinda shady making it seem like only the Xbox 360 and random obscure freeware are the only games/programs capable of such feats so we will just keep you honest there.

System Bandwidth

The 360's GPU is a custom 512MB graphics card with 48-way pipelines,and 525Mhz clockspeed made by Microsoft&ATi. System's CPU runs at 512MB/s GDDR3 Ram (700Mhz). Total system memory bandwidth is 278GB/s a/sec. with 21.6 frontside bus,and 32GB/s backside bus, 10.8GB/s southbridge memory up&downstream. Total TFLOPS is 115.2TFLOPS. Which makes the graphics and computer much powerful than any high end PC to date, and the 360 is exactly what people want to see in graphics,memory,CPU's,entertainment,online,etc. seven years from now. It has the exact mathmematics of a supercomputer easily. With real-time graphics that look 3x better than ps3's CGI, what more could you ask for from this multi-media machine.

I agree (but opinions don't matter, the facts are right there). The Xbox 360 is a supercomputer, at least by its technical specifications. If only Microsoft marketed it as a "regular" PC and gave it some killer OS software, it would be a huge development for computing.

More powerful than any high end PC to date? What people want seven years from now? Yeesh, tone it down a little. There are many areas of the XBox 360 that do not match up with a modern PC, though there are of course many areas where it competes quite well. In seven years, though, the XBox 360 will certainly be very outdated. --Yamla 18:10, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Now that I've double-checked, the total theoretical speed of the CPU is approximately 115 GFLOPS (not 115.2 TFLOPS, as claimed above). Compare this to the information given in the Supercomputer article and you will find that this is theoretically equivalent, though slower than, a supercomputer from 1994. Impressive, certainly, but much less than one one-thousandth the power of a modern high-end supercomputer. And remember, this measure of floating-point performance of the CPU is theoretical. Most of the first round of games will only use a single core. Even a program making efficient use of every single core is unlikely to hit 115.2 GFLOPS on the XBox360. --Yamla 20:01, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

1 TFLOPS?

On the official Xbox 360 site it says

Overall System Floating-Point Performance * 1 teraflop

However the wikipedia site has 1 teraflop under the CPU section. Can someone who knows more decide whether the 1 TFLOPs is CPU only, or CPU + GPU? -- Zaak (unsigned)

• Good point. I'm not a computer hardware expert but I think you're correct because the "Overall System Floating-Point Performance" table row appears after they mention the CPU, GPU, and memory detail specifications. --Chill Pill Bill 16:05, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

• • Sorry about that edit-and-then-put-back there, somehow I read two Ses on the end making it TFLOPSs. I'm sleep deprived. Sockatume 19:27, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Removed: Overall System Floating-Point Performance

• 1 TFLOP <- original text

No. A 1 TFLOP machine can possibly enter the world's top 500 list (http://www.top500.org/lists/plists.php?TB=5&M=11&Y=2004). This section is totally wrong. -- Toytoy 14:15, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

• • Unfortunately, you are the one that is mistaken. The Top 500 list is based on SUSTAINED Dual-Precision FLOPS. Sony and MS are using peak FLOPS, and that includes ops from the GPU pipelines. Terrapin 22:13, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Hardware headings

Having generic headings for the hardware section (CPU, GPU) seems to be a good way to simplify the article, hopefully this will allow for easier navigation for those not well versed in tech-jargon. Anetode 08:36, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Picture of the back of the 360

I think what we could really use is a picture of the rear of the console. That way anyone that is wondering what kind of ports it has can see them. Does anyone have a picture they could post of this? I don't have one so I'm hoping that one of you guys do.

You can get one off www.xbox360.com. I'd get it but for some reasons it keeps refusing to recognise that I have Flash, even though I do. - Gerbon689 20:41, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm at work and I can't access www.xbox360.com. Can someone snag this picture and post it?

I just got the pic. There's nothing really too amazing about the back of the 360, but I'll add it anyways. Amren ^(talk) 14:55, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Software

Backward compatibility

Does anyone know what this actually means? Binary backward compatibility sounds highly unlikely given the CPU change -- emulation would probably be infeasible. Are they sure they don't mean that they're going to maintain API backward compatibility so most games can simply be recompiled for the PPC target and re-released as "classic" Xbox games?

They can currently emulate the Xbox in the Xbox360, however there are legal obsticles to be able to emulate certain functionality that the Nvidia GPU and Intel CPU currently offer. Microsoft is in an awkward position because they don't own the designs for all the components of the current Xbox, a mistake they rectified with the 360. In order to offer backwards compatibility on key games Microsoft has 2 choices:

1. License the Nvidia and Intel technologies to emulate the features required to offer backwards compatibility.

2. Preinstall compilied executables for key games right on the hard-drive, and use the assets from the original DVD.

In my opinion if Microsoft did license the emulation capabilities they would offer backwards support for the pretty much the entire collection. This makes it look like they will provide compability executables right on the 360, which could also benefit from things like better frame rates. - TF

It looks like they will be doing it the hard way and emulating the old xbox, this should offer backwards compatibility on the entire xbox collection: Xbox Engineer Blog

It is good news, althought there may not be enough time to get all games perfect at launch, expect updates to the emulator through live. - TF

Gamesindustry is now stating that "Current-gen Xbox games to be "recompiled" for Xbox 360", which suggests that Microsoft will go for option 2. This also has the additional advantage of having the games more easily emulated in the future because they would be compilied for a platform they have all the rights to. E3: Xbox 360 "backwards compatibility" explained- Trevor Fuson

Doesn't "recompiled" imply that the games will have to be remade (from the original source code) and rereleased to work on the 360 hardware? Sockatume 17:46, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Yes, part of the recompiled code need to be downloaded on LIVE marketplace service, this code write in the hard disk and you just need insert the Xbox game on drive and waiting few minutes for install.

Not exactly. From what I understand, it's merely a recompiled EXE that has to be downloaded through Live, not an actual recompiled game and the game is not "emulated". Labeling 360 as backward compatible with the original Xbox might be a ploy. My understanding is that Microsoft can't emulate Xbox graphics because Nvidia owns the licenses to the Xbox graphics, meaning that they can't be fully emulated without a royalty. K1Bond007 21:17, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

Oh, right, I should've realised that. They can just lift the old PAK files or whatever the Xbox equivalent for audio/textures/models is from the game disk. Sockatume 22:15, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Looks like there won't be recompiling going on: "No, you do not need to recompile your Xbox games". I hope that is the final word we hear on this one. -TF

This has nothing to do with what we're talking about. This only makes the claim that you won't have to buy the same game again. What I'm saying here is that you take a game like Halo that you own for Xbox already and load it up on Xbox 360. Assuming you haven't done this already -> Xbox Live boots up and goes out and downloads a recompiled EXE onto your Xbox 360's hard drive (assuming again that Microsoft has made this EXE). This EXE then replaces the one that is on the actual game disc, and thus the game is recompiled. Thats how I imagine it to -generally- work and as I said earlier and what that link you posted implies is that 360 will emulate Xbox games. As previously stated, it can't for legal reasons. I could be wrong, I suppose, for both - the 2nd I'm almost positive. K1Bond007 05:54, May 20, 2005 (UTC)

What if you don't have Live?Ablaze 09:09, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

My bet is that the hard drive will come preloaded with only the most popular games such as Halo and Halo 2. Then the rest through Live whenever, if ever, they become available. K1Bond007 15:46, May 20, 2005 (UTC)

They could also be distributed on magazine coverdisks. Sockatume 17:48, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

I found another Blog: Matt's Blog - Trevor Fuson

"Yeah, I have no idea where the press is getting these rumors, or why they haven’t retracted their stories after Microsoft PR contacted them with corrections. It’s just a complete fabrication. Major Nelson (and the other Microsoft employees) are telling the truth here, the press is not. The Xbox 360 is backwards compatible with Xbox games. We’re not recompiling games (do you think publishers would give us their source code?), which would be a far more complex task than just flipping a switch. And we’re certainly not going to ask anyone to repurchase games they already own (another false rumor I’ve seen in the press). Hope that clears it up, Software Design Engineer Xbox / Microsoft" [3] look this.

That is my blog, thank you very much! Yes, I contacted the guy in charge of backwords compatibility, and I left his name out in my post(I wasn't sure...). DoomBringer 03:51, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Source ATI interview. Key points:

They have implemented compatibility purely through emulation (at the CPU level). It looks like emulation profiles for each game are going to be stored on the hard drive, and I imagine that a certain number will ship with the system. They already have the infrastructure to distribute more profiles via Live, and more and more can be made available online periodically.

Emulating the CPU isn’t really a difficult task. They have three 3GHz cores, so emulating one 733MHz chip is pretty easy. The real bottlenecks in the emulation are GPU calls – calls made specifically by games to the nVIDIA hardware in a certain way. General GPU instructions are easy to convert – an instruction to draw a triangle in a certain way will be pretty generic. However, it’s the odd cases, the proprietary routines that will cause hassle.

So, although the reasons are different (storing those compatability-enabling profiles that Amiga emulation fans will no doubt be familiar with, rather than downloading executables), it seems like we were close to the mark with our speculation. Presumably, though, those "profiles" will allow compatability with more than one title each; there will broad profiles which work with more simply-programmed games, and more specific profiles for titles which do odd stuff. Sockatume 14:10, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

EGM recently wrote that MS will indeed use software emulation to run there games and this will enable there games to run, but after reading the above blog by the software engineer im not so sure what to think. They will probably release the updates through the next live and the next xbox magazine. If anyone can solidify the info then specify a source so we can check it out.

I like Linux as much as the next guy however...

The statement about not having a hard drive on its basic unit: "and hindering Xbox Linux (http://www.xbox-linux.org/) from running" is not proven. Microsoft hasn't stated that there will be no hard drive or the rumor of having multiple versions of the next Xbox. I will only get rid of Xbox Linux statement because it is not a NPOV. The hard drive could also be used as pirated tool. I think Microsoft would be worried about game piracy that takes money away from them with license fees than having an user using a different operating system on their video game console system. --Anonymous Cow 19:18, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I agree with cows statement about hard drive use for piracy, most of the people i know (who have the right know how) use or know about using the hard drive for mods and emulators. Recently i read an article about miscrosoft employeeing a company to create security measures for xbox 2, this is not official but given the easily modified xbox reputation i would believe microsoft has the resources to do it. -Tik

I agree, running Linux on the XBox is NOT what Microsoft is concerned with. They are concerned that a hard drive makes copying games fun and easy. While Microsoft as a whole is pretty anti-Linux, I hardly think that is the focus of the people designing the game system. MicahMN | Talk 07:48, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

No Internet Browsing capability on new Xbox

Sony announced its new PS3 will have Internet Browsing capability, a feature lacking in the new XBox 360. This will be a complete drawback for consumers since we all enjoy browsing the Net, and if XBox 360 doesn't offer it then I'd rather wait for PS3! ok

Has this been confirmed already??? --Dynamax 20:18, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

We all enjoy browsing the net, but do we enjoy browsing the net on a console? I have used stripped down browsers with limited data entry capabilities and the experiance can be frustrating. In terms of online capabilities I think that the x360 has a better approach by controlling the entire experiance to ensure it all works correctly with the console. I am very interested to see how Sony approaches thier online plan and how successful that approach is. --Thax 18:24, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

MS has commented time and time again that they want the xbox to be as far from computer entertainment as possible (irony, anyone?) so they will not let you surf the web, the closest thing is the xbox live marketplace. Ps3 is being marketed as a home entertainment center/computer, this is not rumor as sony has made strong comments backing this up. Since 360 will have MMO support free on live through silver service they will have to release keyboard and most likely a mouse since WoW and ff11 (confirmed) will probably be released on it.

Where did you hear about WoW maybe on Xbox 360? I started a thread over at WarCry way back before WoW was even in Open Beta, about how it (or even a sequel/expansion) should be released for the next gen consoles... lol. --Wulf 03:11, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

Even now, it is a rumor at best. Blizzard has said nothing about releasing it for anything but PC. --Kamasutra 03:32, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

Hmmm... It seems there was an article in Newsweek about computer manufacturers getting annoyed that Microsoft was making something so close to a computer... I wonder what effect that sentiment from computer manufacturers will have on whether or not Microsoft allows web-browsing... --Wulf 03:11, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

Its not confirmed hence why i put a (confirmed) beside ff11 and not one beside WoW, i was speaking relatively. since you get free mmo service through xbox silver, obviously more than one mmo will be released and most people are familiar with world of warcraft if only by name.Tik 13:33, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Services

Xbox Live and Storage Requirements

From what I understand you require some sort of local storage to connect to xbox live silver, either a memory card or a HDD. Does anyone have the information about xbox live gold? I would imagine that you would need a HDD to patch games that have been exploited, and a memory card could introduce problems. It certainly isn't feasible to not patch the games, as people are able to exploit games in ways developers cannot reasonably predict or test for. Any information or links to sources would be appreciated.--Thax 16:39, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm assuming they'd use the HDD in the premium version, and I don't know if they have internet support in the stripped down one. — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 16:48, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

no internet access on xbox, so dont be expecting it, i think ps3 has internet access.Tik 13:37, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

There is internet access on xbox, where have you been the past 4 years?

there is not internet access on xbox, where have U been the past 4 years? show me the official xbox keyboard and mouse, not to mention xbox talking or bragging about there internet access. And if they have internet access then y is it not in the xbox article, also why xbox 360 has not had internet access announced. The only "access" it has is connecting online to play online games, >< and that doesnt count as browsing capability. Online support is different from internet access. Ps3 has internet access, however it is not a game system anymore, just a computer. Next time sign your post. Tik

The Internet is not just the World Wide Web. Using an IP address and connecting to the Internet is considered 'Internet Access.' 'Online support' is a term you've just made up. 141.190.32.69 22:29, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Yeah i guess your right, i didnt make the term up though, online support is used all the time by companies. anyways i was heated up around that time so i guess i lashed out , my bad Tik 15:10, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Premium 360

I have to admit, the Xbox 360 premium package is a good deal. Controller, hard drive, HD cable, ethernet cord, headset, etc...very nice. If I had the $x400, I'd get it. Too bad I don't.

The ethernet cord is what sold me. --Thax 17:46, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Really? Ethernet cables can be pretty cheap depending on the length, but unfortunately they don't reveal the length in the specs. I was assuming most people would want to use the Wi-Fi anyway until I saw the adapter was $100 sold separately. The premium version is definitely worth it if the person would have bought all those extras separately, which seems to be Microsoft's plan to overprice them separately. I mean, just the hard drive makes up for the $100 different, but come on. 20GB for $100? I understand it's probably different than PC hard drives, but I saw a 250GB SATA drive earlier this week for $112 (no rebates), so how different are we talking? It'll be nice when third-party accessories start being released so we don't have to deal with Microsoft's overpricing. --Kamasutra 18:46, August 19, 2005 (UTC)

Microsoft's cost on the HDD is about 50 dollars. The drive is the Seagate LD25 I believe, it is a 2.5" durable, low power, low acquisitic properties while still achieving high performance. The problem with HDD's is that the base cost to manufacture them is quite high, so larger capacity drives are much cheaper per meg than smaller ones.--Thax 21:11, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

I looked up information on the Seagate LD25 and it seems you're right about the Xbox 360 using it. I couldn't find anything on the pricing, but $50 sounds about right. However, they're still selling it for double the price which is a bit much. Your explanation of base cost and pricing per meg doesn't explain their $100 price though. Do you agree or not? Also, I'm unsure what you mean by acquisitic properties, but I'll assume you mean acoustic since it's supposed to only output 2.7 bels. --Kamasutra 06:05, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

I agree, the only justification for the 100 dollar price tag is that Microsoft does't want people to buy the core edition. You are right about acoustic, I should get a spell checker. :)--Thax 22:22, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Remember, good ole J allard is pretty good at laying things out, he said that its all about making money (dont have a link sry). anyways, it wouldnt make since for microsoft to release a product without trying to turn a profit, i know most game console makers dont make a profit there first couple quarters for a new console (as playstation routinely loses a lot of money upon release). If it costs them 50$ it totally makes since for them to charge 99$ for the HDD if they want to make money.Tik 13:58, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Live

Maybe I should've put this on Xbox Live but I thought I'd get a faster/more reliable response here. Could someone confirm the thing on the Xbox Live page about it being free on weekends (free for gameplay) cause if it is, I think it really needs to be put here. Actually, there's a few things about Live 360 (as its called over there) that should be checked, cause I haven't seen them on any Microsoft sites. - RedHotHeat 11:58, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

--I added the fact that MMORPGs could be played if you only have a silver account.

Xbox live silver is already built in and ready to go once you turn your system and connect it to your broadband service,and yes it's free. Xbox live silver is free all around. Xbox live Gold is $49.99 which requires no credit card at all. You buy a subscription card for $49.99 that lasts one year. When that year is up you purchase a new one and so on. Gold will feature the market place where you can download new content,levels,new weapons,skins,characters,etc. with either points for market place that you've acquired from other games online or use a very small amount of real-time money(1cent-50cents max) from your bank account(Optional). Also you'll be able to video chat,video conference,leave video messages, have advance multi-player online gaming,etc. on xbox live gold edition. Its the very best online service ever with a record breaking 1biilion people on xbox live now.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.157.62.199 (talk • contribs) 16:52, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

I think that they will run event thingies where customers get Gold free on weekends every now and then, but they wouldnt do it every weekend. that would be unreasonable, but your right in that they will offer it for everyone free at some point be it temporary or not. (p.s. who wants to bet this post above is an advertisement ^)68.153.29.23 20:07, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Microsoft has confirmed that they will be hosting periodic weekends offree Gold membership for Silver members, to let them try out the online gaming aspect. (XBOX Website Source) They won't specify how often they're having these weekends, other than to say that they "won't come often. "--KoopaTroopa211 21:54, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

PR

ourcolony.net

add [4] site reference. User:200.172.115.194

What does this have to do with the next Xbox? I don't get it. Theres nothing there and the website is not registered to Microsoft. K1Bond007 18:00, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)

This might be a viral marketing campaign. Read this Gamespot article for more information. TerokNor 22:13, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Since it's being picked up by other news places I reverted it back. It's funny how most sites reporting on it have no idea even if Microsoft is behind it. Seems fishy to me. K1Bond007 04:24, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

It is a viral marketing campaign for the next xbox, similarly to the Ilovebees campaign for Halo 2, and yep it is pretty legit. Dracmir 5:42 PM May 9, 2005

MTV spot

http://outerspace.terra.com.br/videos/xbox360_mtv_spot.mov

http://www.outerspace.com.br/imgs_os/news/2005/xbox360_mtv_1.gif http://www.outerspace.com.br/imgs_os/news/2005/xbox360_mtv_2.gif --Mateusc 02:08, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

XBOX name

As it has been discussed in the PLAYSTATION 3 topic, Sony want their name all caps. Shouldn't we be doing the same for the XBOX 360 as opposed to the Xbox 360? Ablaze 14:22, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

About Microsoft, they always spell it Xbox. See www.xbox.com. The front page is loaded with examples of "Xbox." - "Xbox 360 details," "Xbox 360 Hands-on," etc etc. So no. K1Bond007 14:42, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

Like the first Xbox, has a diference enters name of the console and the logo/fantasy inscription. Visit to the official sites of both strap this doubt. --Mateusc 18:55, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Logo's are always different. Most are in all caps. It doesn't mean we should change the name of the article. In written text it is "Xbox 360". K1Bond007 21:06, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, it's right. The name is Xbox 360. --200.172.115.194 02:37, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Sorry to post several months after the last in this section but I couldn't help saying it - PS3 in all caps sounds like it was written by the 10 year old wannabe forumer whose entire vocabulary appears to consist of 'OMG!!!LOL!!!!!!111'

Microsoft chooses Celestica for Xbox 360

http://www.cbc.ca/story/business/national/2005/08/16/Microsoft_Celestica20050816.html SD6-Agent 21:04, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

IGN interview with Peter Moore

Just another link...or is it? IGN had an interview with Microsoft Vice President Peter Moore yesterday, August 17, 2005. Read all about it here. In it Moore discusses why he chose to have two Xbox 360 prices - $299 and $399 - and he talks about the progress of the Xbox 360. -Hyad 04:49, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Ridiculous Price

$400!?!?!?!? Sure, that's for the "Premium Edition," but still. C'mon! Looks like I won't be getting it any time soon...By the way, should we include consumer reactions in the article?

Something must be done about this ever axpanding list of prices that follow each price. Dollars, Euro, Pounds, Canadian Dollars and soon to be Yen etc etc Maybe start up a Xbox 360 pricing page? Ablaze 14:58, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

I think we should keep it in the main article. Havok (T/C) 15:15, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Even tho it could end up like (for example)$299.99/€299.99/£209.99/C$399.99/A$489.99/¥3,999.99/Sfr459.99? Ablaze 15:47, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

That still doesn't warrant it's own page in my eyes. Havok (T/C) 16:02, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

I noticed that when I added the pricing was was disrupting the flow a bit. I was thinking of adding a pricing section. A seperate page that has pricing information for all of the consoles, as well as when the prices have changed or dropped in the past, would be interesting to see.--Thax 16:34, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

I say Dollars (US), Euros (Europe, we'd do it for britain), Pounds (Britain), and Maybe Yen. Also the premium edition is the one with all the good features, the basic one has nothing and costs $300 too — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 16:05, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Yeah another page isn't needed, but the section is a good idea.Ablaze 07:48, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

The price is actually pretty reasonable, if you take a few seconds use think about it. Buying all the accessories separately would be much more steeply priced. Figure $50-60 for the HD, $20-30 for the cables, the remote for about $20, other bits and parts another $20-30. You're more than likely saving a bit of money. Also, game systems have launched for more in the past (relatively speaking, including inflation). Most people just mentally think "OMGWTFBBQLOL $100 for a HD!!!111oneoneleven," and they are dead wrong. DoomBringer 20:48, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Time Article

In the time article on Xbox 360 there is a quote from Bill Gates that gave the impression that Halo 3 was comming out on the PS3's release date. It might be important to note that Microsoft made a retraction notice. http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=61132 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grzesik (talk • contribs)

It's not a retraction notice per se, more of a clarification. I've added a link to your source in the main article. --anetode¹ ² ³ 02:55, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

J Allard

I added an image of J Allard to the article in marketing because he helped market it at E3. View section.  Thorpe ^talk 17:42, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Remove old rumors and speculations?

Hey should we remove some of the old rumor posts and tech rumors since there is a lot that was answered e3 and post e3, this could clear out a lot of space and make way for more discussion about what is currently known and what is to come? If not then thats ok. -Tik July 3 1154 am

I wouldn't mind removing whole sections if they are no longer relevent. What you could do it post in the relevent section and say you want to remove it because it is old and if nobody objects then delete it a week later.--Thax 4 July 2005 16:57 (UTC)

Just as an update if facts are already proven and in print as such, there is no need to bring up old rumors and prove that they were false. Going back and saying things like the Xbox 360 is a handheld device but was later found to be a console doesnt give people information just clogs up the article.

User gspawn: Does anyone know how to archive old talk and start from scratch? Lots of talk contained here would be useful in a historical sense, but most of this discussion page is either POV (360 and Dreamcast) or outdated info (most of backward compatibility, since the method for compatibility has been detailed in the media). The page could use a backup of these tons of info, and then begin talk anew- leaving out POV points, hopefully. Especially with the system release coming so soon, most of the items recieving discussion now will be thoroughly detailed soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.155.157.141 (talk • contribs)

See how to refactor and how to archive a Talk Page. -- ReyBrujo 02:55, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Detailed Xbox 2 specs leak

There is a "purported leak" at [5]. I don't know how real it is, but it sounds interesting and is quite detailed. Thue | talk 13:55, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I heard from some game developers for the next gen consoles that they are using high end Nvidia chips for dev and testing because ATI ones do not support some features that will be used...

-anon.

Hey guys, ATI just recently released a statement that the Xbox 2 will be more powerful (i cant remember in which respect) than ps2, im guessing in terms of overall or graphics. I read about it on www.gamespot.com and was wondering whether this was true, I dont understand this next generation of specs so i cant figure it out for myself

The general agreement from most well informed people is that both systems will be evenly matched. The key differences between the two systems is the unified shader and eDRAM daughter die for the x360. MS has taken the approach of making it relatively easy to get good performance out of the console. The PS3 may be a little more complex, but if the developers are able to overcome this complexity the performance may exceed what the x360 is capable of. What this may result in is most games for the x360 being very good graphics quality, where with the PS3 most games will be good to very good quality, and a some will be excellent quality. The problem about determining qualities however is that this generation will produce a stunning level of quality, making it difficult to tell the difference between what I call good and excellent quality. For example in the 2D generation the increase of colors from 16 to 256 to 4096 were all very staggering. Where the increase from 16535 to millions of colors is a large leap, most casual users may not even notice the difference. In addition it is hard to tell at this point what sort of performance the x360 will have as the approach to graphics processing is very much different than anything that has been tried before. --Thax 21:47, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ah ok, that answers a few questions of mine. E3 gave me a bad feeling about xbox 360 in terms of improvement but then i read and heard that the most of the developers are using systems with only 2 of the 3 chips that the 360 will have. Thx for answering my Q, i guess ill find the rest out come november

Some pics, via SlashDot

http://www.maxconsole.com/?mode=comments&newsid=2584 132.205.15.4 19:57, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Image

The image of the "prototype" should be removed and I am planning to do so soon. This is Wikipedia afterall. An encyclopedia. The first image is obviously not a final system design, and was made by an anonymous user on the Internet. It's a fake. It has no credibility and is not factual. Two things I think are required for an encyclopedia. The second image, holds a little more credibility given the source, so that, for the time being is ok to leave - though it's just going to get deleted in a months time. K1Bond007 18:02, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)

This image is strong rumor, internal prototype. Of course when the final version shows will be changed.

I am considering this post for deletion since we know what the box looks like and do not need this info or speculation anymore. However if anyone disagrees please respond and we can discuss it.

Xbox 360 name confirmed

GamesIndustry report --Mateusc 22:41, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

When Microsoft actually confirms this as fact on May 12, we'll have the page moved. BTW, to escape the possibility of any problems with copyrights I removed the text you posted and just left the link to the article. Copying and pasting the whole thing is most likely a no-no. Just FYI. Wikipedia:Copyrights K1Bond007 22:53, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)

IGN Xbox 360 launch - xbox360.ign.com - MS VP says about Xbox 360. --Mateusc 12:50, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Engadget is confirming this is what the next Xbox will look like

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000293041091/ --Chill Pill Bill 03:03, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Gamespot confirmed today, is internal prototype.

Announcement

Tomorrow after the airing the unveiling is over (see dates and times) the section should, IMHO be removed. K1Bond007 02:13, May 13, 2005 (UTC)

Well, it will probably be changed to past-tense. • Thorpe • 07:11, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

But do we really need to have a list of the times and dates in which it ran internationally? I think saying it premiered in North America at ### is good enough. K1Bond007 15:57, May 13, 2005 (UTC)

Is this line really necessary: "Note that, in order to comply with ITC regulations regarding the advertisement of videogames and consoles, the UK showing had to be heavily edited. As a result, it featured few images of the Xbox 360 console and its games." I have to say the one that aired in the U.S. had few images of the console and its games. I'm not so sure it was because of regulations. The MTV thing was just horrible and seriously a waste of time. K1Bond007 21:45, May 13, 2005 (UTC)

The UK one managed to have fewer, according to people who've seen both. I'll admit it's not proven that ITC regs were responsible, but shows in general have to be very limited in the amount of videogames hardware and footage shown in order to avoid being classed as an advertisement feature. It's been a big problem for shows like Game Stars Live. It's a disposable comment however and it couldn't hurt to remove it or turn it into a general one: stating that the show (in all regions) featured little footage of the console and its games. Sockatume 01:52, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Ok. I was concerned that it might not be true considering how stupid the MTV special thing was :) I just couldn't imagine one with less content. K1Bond007 03:32, May 14, 2005 (UTC)

Impressive new image

Like the new image for the Xbox 360. Well done to whoever contributed this. • Thorpe • 20:13, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

"Green circles logo"

Green circles logo

Green circles logo

I've removed this image as I've seen no evidence of it being an official logo and it doesn't fit in with any other imagery. violet/riga (t) 16:20, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

No that logo is official. This link is Broken 29 June 2005 20:44 (UTC)

Controller

Is the button in the middle of the controller not a trackball? 66.52.195.144 16:17, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

It's a big, flat, button, so no, it's not a trackball as had been rumoured. It'd be practically impossible to use as a trackball in that position anyway. Sockatume 20:06, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

It is the Xbox Live button which makes the Xbox Live menu pop up from wherever you are when you press it (aka. while watching movies, playing games etc.) Dracmir May 18, 2005 9:25pm

Correction - it is the Ring of Light button which brings up the Xbox 360 Guide. And yes, a trackball would be impossible to use. —Vanderdecken ^℘ζξ 18:51, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

No its called the guide button, the ring of light is the LED around the power button on the console itself.Tik 13:58, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Release Dates

I looked through the article quickly, and I looked like release dates aren't included. I think it will be available by November 22nd in North America... Just check for them @ xbox.com.

It's in the intro. K1Bond007 04:34, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Clean Up!?

Great works on the articles boys (is there a girl?)

anyway, good job

Although, lets just say i am a customer, who is looking for info on xbox360, me browsing thorugh wiki, and searched for "xbox 360"

Luckliy i got what i wanted, now to look for all information i need,

Looking at that articles, seems like reading a newspaper, i need something easy, so i can read the information without scroll down

The task for you guys (girls?) is to pack the information together, like pack it in a box

• The images, are just packed everywhere, why don't you all add them to the Image Gallery
• Some information needs to be seperated into another article, for less Contents
• The pricing and Packaging, shouldn't that be in a different article? like Chrome/Prenuim/Xbox 360 and Core System, Prices for each they should be togethr in another article, so people can know what the differences instead of packing all information just in one article
• The componements and Acceroies, should also be in a seprate article (remember ariticles are kb, accept the lenght/data packed in the article) so don't be afriad to do to many, do has much has you like.
• The "Hardware specifications-Viral advertising and alternate reality games" can stay. Remember the article says Xbox 360, it has to be about the name and console, and Components and accessories, or anything outside xbox360 should be a link to the article

Rememer, always listen to what the customer says, to make a better improvments.

if you don't listen to me...fine it's cool

>x<ino 03:14, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Delete Rumor Section

The last two rumors have already been confirmed as being real and the first one could easily be placed in the intro section, I am going to erase the rumor section and add the first rumor to the intro. Dracmir 12:19pm May 14, 2005

Agreed, the former could be "No retail price has been announced, however rumour blah blah", and the other two have sufficient supporting evidence. Sockatume 16:22, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

The controller Windows Longhorn compatibility isn't confirmed yet. I think that rumors section rumors would have to come back and inside of it re-to place "Backwards Compatibility" --Mateusc 16:06, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

With E3 so close, I'd rather just leave the rumors off the page and wait till everything is announced. By E3, you'll know about the price, the compatibility with Windows, and if it will be backward compatible. It's not worth creating a rumor section again for. K1Bond007 18:38, May 15, 2005 (UTC)

The controller is Windows Longhorn compatible. When J Allard and Microsoft announced XNA last year, they said that controllers for the new Xbox (Xbox 360) would be compatible with their operating systems. XNA will be "infused" in Windows Longhorn coding, as it is with the Xbox 360. So, it's obvious to assume that if, let's say, Madden was released on both Xbox 360 and PC for Longhorn, one could take a wired Xbox 360 controller (USB compatible) and transfer it to the PC and play the game with roughly the same controls...But, that's just what I've heard.

Pictures

Perhaps the pic of the actual unit should be moved further down the article and the logo kept there? Or vice versa? — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 28 June 2005 04:59 (UTC)

I disagree. This is kind of a standard thing across all video game console articles including the original Xbox. K1Bond007 June 28, 2005 05:16 (UTC)

I am with K1 on this one, I like the logo and the unit at the top.--Thax 28 June 2005 06:22 (UTC)

Mib v. MB

An anon changed all the specs from MB/GB to MiB/GiB. While technically it's more correct, the specs provided by MS are in MB and GB. Shall I change it or not? — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 5 July 2005 00:37 (UTC)

Yes. Microsoft released them as MB and GB. That's probably how it should be. K1Bond007 July 5, 2005 03:38 (UTC)

One thing to note is that the HD should remain in GB because that is the method they use to specify capacity. The PS3 pages have been using MiB/KiB. At some point we will need to switch all of the content in the encylopia to be consistant, it isn't helpful if related pages are mixing measuring units. Does anyone know if there is some place were this decision could be made on a global basis for the encyclopia? --Thax 5 July 2005 17:44 (UTC)

I brought this forward at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Technical_terms_and_definitions#Unit_Disagreement.2C_MiB_vs_MB --Thax 5 July 2005 18:27 (UTC)

Okay, I moved this to the village pump as I was not getting any activity in it's current location. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28policy%29#Unit_Disagreement.2C_MiB_vs._MB --Thax 8 July 2005 02:54 (UTC)

I still maintain that we should only use what Microsoft released. They released it in MB not MiB. K1Bond007 July 8, 2005 03:30 (UTC)

There is a link at the beginning of the article to the official Microsoft specifications. The specifications in the article go beyond the Microsoft specifications in terms of accuracy and the use of the term MiB doesn't conflict with Microsofts meaning of the use of MB. Microsoft needs to worry about marketing issues where as an encyclopedia doesn't face this same constraint.--Thax 8 July 2005 18:09 (UTC)

A vote has been started on whether Wikipedia should use these prefixes all the time, only in highly technical contexts, or never. - Omegatron 14:48, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

Adding More Details...

We really should be adding as many details as possible. We should add a new Xbox Live section instead of keeping it merged with the original Xbox Live. Also, we should use all the info gathered from the Xbox 360 website. Sure, specifications are great (they are, really), but we should add as much info as possible. -- Apadilla80

I strongly disagree about merging the Xbox Live information. That should stay there. Here we should just say that with the launch of the Xbox 360 comes a major new release of Xbox live and a small mention of Silver and the Gold subscription-based service. Thats it. No details - thats what Xbox Live is for. K1Bond007 01:13, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

Add another Link?

http://www.360on360.com a pretty detailed Xbox360 Blog, should this be added to external links?

There is nothing useful on this site. It is a link to a link page with no orginal content. --Thax 16:06, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

IGN interview exploting the truth on DVD Compression

James Allard says developers have gotten sloppy with compression and not using all their talents.

Q: I've spoken to several developers and they're all telling me they're filling up their DVD pretty quickly, that the media isn't big enough. What's going to be done about that?

Allard: Well, we've got to do better on compression. We're not totally where we want to be with compression. Honestly, to be frank, stuff comes in hot. We're trying to do a worldwide launch of this very ambitious program, and developers will tell you that they're not very satisfied with the DVD emulator or compression. And therefore they are layouts with DVD, they're struggling with that; they're cutting corners. Basically what happens when you get final hardware late, you're sloppy. With all deference to the developers, you've got to take every out you can and so they're not applying all their talents, as they will next year and the year after to get every little bit they can out of it. They're being a little sloppy with the CPU, they're being a little sloppy with the discs, they're being a little sloppy with their formats and compression to make launch. And next year, you'll see that they tighten that up so they can get more out of the system using the same disc capacity, using the same compression, and the same art tools, and so they'll get a lot more out of the system next year. That's why games look better year over year. It's primarily because hardware comes in hot, and developers use the deficiency of the schedule not to just learn the hardware but to cut a couple of corners.

Is this problem serious as he says or will two DVDs be no big deal? If it can't fit on one DVD than it must fit on two. Straight forward I think. There is probably more too this than I think, but whatever. Renegade Viking

I found this unlikely video game devs tend to be very talented. He is just doing damage control on the fact that DVD wont contain every game next gen. Compression cant fix everything and it lowers your audio and video quality. Storage space will be a concern among developers with DVD-9 and high definition. Taladar 01:26, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

I think it's straight foward. Either developers lower video quality to non-HD or they use two DVD9s! And what's wrong with current PAL and NTSC resolutions? You won't see the difference in video quality between HD and non-HD on any composite TV and older LCD TV! So based on my theory, do you think Xbox 360 developers will use 1 DVD9? Renegade Viking 01:54, 03 November 2005 (CST)

Connectivity

Just how connectable(bad word, I know) will Xbox 360 be to Windows PCs. Cause I seem to get the impression that it will be connectable to any Windows PC (or XP at least) from some sites (like amazon.co.uk), BUT then I get the impression that it will only be connectable to XP Media Centre 2005 from xbox360.com. I hope its to any PC (or at least XP) since I don't have Media Centre and am not planning on buying a brand new PC just for that. - Gerbon689 18:31, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

---You don't need a Media Center PC to connect your Xbox to your network. However, a Media Center PC would make things easier, because of the Xbox Media Center Extender that's built into the system itself. Without a Media Center PC, your Xbox 360 is a ghost on your network, not really able to do anything (possibly transfer files).---

Wireless and Wired controller will be comptible with Windows Vista. In the Wireless piece, the connection will be make with USB charge cable.

What else could it do other than transfer files (that's all I really want anyway) - Gerbon689 18:08, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Actually never mind this (below) answered all my questions (and should answer everyone else's) It's from www.xbox.com so is reliable.

Finally, Xbox 360 lets you control a new world of digital entertainment. So you can listen to your own play lists while you play all your games, and jack in your MP3 player, digital camera, and Windows XP PC to play your music, photos, and TV shows through your home entertainment system. Plus it lets you stream high definition TV and movies stored on Windows Media Center Edition PCs starting this Christmas.- Gerbon689 11:33, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Games

Does anyone know the RRPs for games, outside the US. I hope Microsoft continue with their current trend of making the euro price the same number, or smaller number than US (i.e. $49.99=€49.99 or less). - Gerbon689 20:44, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Play are selling them for £39.99 or €63.99 delivered. Microsoft also has notified retailers in Ireland that the selling price for the basic and premium packs will be €309.99 and €409.99 respectively. (Lets call it Irish Xbox Tax) Ablaze 19:09, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Well if the price for Ireland is €409.99/309.99, then it's funny that GAME are calling €299/399 the SRPs, and that HMV have also reduced their prices to €399/299. Well I'm assuming about the €299 for HMV, since they dropped the premium to €399, and for competetion I'd bet GameStop and other shops have done the same. - Gerbon689 15:31, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

I hope your right... the guy in the game shop i was talking to was pretty stuck up about him being right about the price and me being wrong. This was a few days after the prices went public Ablaze 16:02, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

I personally wasn't told €399.99 (in HMV anyway) but my friend who ordered it in the same HMV as I was in was told €399.99, which makes sense cause the guy said the price wasn't confirmed when I ordered mine. (And btw, when I said "then it's funny that GAME are calling..., I didn't mean that sarcastically) - Gerbon689 16:19, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Game Prices

The artical states that games like PDZ and PGR3 will 49.99$. I am fairly certain this is false because i preordered PDZ and was told it was going to be 59.99$ not to mention that all game sites uote the games as being 59.99$. I will look more into and make the changes.

No, the article is correct. On xbox.com, Microsoft-developed and Microsoft-produced games are $49.99, while third party games (EA, UbiSoft, etc) are $59.99. I think, though, that Microsoft is using their $50 pricing plan to ease the consumers into the new generation of pricing, so that they aren't hit with obserd prices all at once.

The Xbox.xom site also has PDZ for 60$ but its for collecters edition, didnt know it that was worth mentioning68.153.29.23 20:09, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Graphics

i have heard that the graphics of the X-box 360 are so advanced that one can see the pores on skin. is there any truth to that?

-J.L.

J.L., it is time that you discovered the magical world of texture mapping: Image:Tekken6.jpg --anetode¹ ² ³ 00:04, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Remove and merge xbox screen of death link

user Mateusc created the xbox 360 SOD page and linked it to this article at the bottom, i dont think it warrents its own page and should be merged/ added somehow to this article.Tik 21:24, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Since the Xbox360 is based on the Windows kernel, wouldn't the information fit better at BSoD? --anetode¹ ² ³ 22:24, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Xbox 360 Lounge pics

I really don't have an interest in the Xbox 360 or video games in general, but I found myself across the street from Tokyo's Xbox 360 Lounge on Sunday night, and tried out my new HDV camcorder on it. Some frame captures are below, if anyone thinks they're appropriate for the article

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  Xbox 360 Lounge in Tokyo, Japan
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  Xbox 360 Lounge in Tokyo, Japan
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  Xbox 360 Lounge in Tokyo, Japan
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  Xbox 360 Lounge in Tokyo, Japan
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  Xbox 360 Lounge in Tokyo, Japan

--Calton | Talk 20:52, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Number of Registers?

What's the total number of registers in the xbox360? the article states:

• Two hardware threads per core; six total.
• 128 VMX-128 registers per hardware thread.

So is that 6 * 128 = 786? What ever the case it needs to be clarified. 68.183.29.123 18:10, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Faked Undersupply

how often is hardware said to be undersupplied and it turns out not to be? other than the PSP launch (but it wasn't AS touted as undersupplied, IIRC, as the xbox 360 is being...) i pulled up no articles googling the topic. well, not under the search "xbox 360" fake undersupply. any other thoughts, search ideas, sources? Plonk420 07:24, 13 November 2005 (UTC)