Talk:LGBT rights by country or territory

Globalise tag

I added the globalise tag as currently the section seems to be mostly written from a Western POV. Firstly, the section seems to concentrate on the differences between Abrahamic religions and Pagan religions. While pagan religions technically includes all non Abrahamic religions, it's usually unwise to use it in this context in wikipedia IMHO. Also according to religion and homosexuality, the attitudes of Dharmic religions in particularly (and Taoic religions to a less degree) while obviously not as strong as Abrahamic religions don't necessarily appear to be that supportive. Definitely according to the article in contemporary times homosexuality is often frowned upon and while the article doesn't cover the issue of more traditional attitudes that well I don't really see any evidence that their attitudes towards homosexuality was significantly different in the past or that they were significantly influenced by Abrahamic religions. Their intepretations do vary more then Abrahamic religions obviously. However the article seems to suggest that same-sex relations were a part of everyday life for all non-Abrahamic religions and in all areas and intepretations which changed with the spread of the Abrahamic religions. Also, the talk about colonialism seems to suggest it was the sole cause for the spread of Abrahamic religions (and therefore the spread of homophobia and homophobic laws). This ignores the complexity of the spread of the Abrahamic religions particularly Islam which spread to thru a variety of means including conquest but which is mostly not associated with colonialism except perhaps in a few areas (as the conquests had a different character from what is usually considered colonialism). Nil Einne (talk) 11:06, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

New Discussion

A discussion has been started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries/Lists of countries which could affect the inclusion criteria and title of this and other lists of countries. Editors are invited to participate. Pfainuk talk 11:53, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Explanation of recent changes (switching to using transclusions for tables)

Switched to using transclusions for tables, so that the World (this page) and Continent pages will be able to all transclude from the same tables, making it easier to keep data synchronized and current. This page was already in need of updating, and hopefully this will help update-needed creeping in the future. (Will also allow all continent LGBT pages to have their own rights tables, which currently Africa and Asia do not have (they actually do not even have pages yet)).

Summary of changes:

• Africa section moved to {{LGBT rights table Africa}}
• Asia section moved to {{LGBT rights table Asia}}
• Europe: LGBT rights in Europe tables copied to {{LGBT rights table Europe}}
• Oceania: LGBT rights in Oceania tables copied to {{LGBT rights table Oceania}}
• Americas: LGBT rights in the Americas tables copied to {{LGBT rights table Americas}}

The section headings for each continent are located within the transcluded page, so the section "edit" links on the Homosexuality laws of the world page link directly to the templates for editing.

Basically: now all continents will be transcluded onto this page, and also transcluded individually onto their own continent LGBT rights pages, and edits made to either will appear on both.

Will work on upgrading all of the templates to the cosmetic quality of the Europe template (unless someone else wants to work in there)

It would be insane to try to keep country data current both on this page and the continent pages (the way it had been done) (it already is hard to keep it up to date), so hopefully this solution should help w/ updating and keeping things current. Outsider80^(User0529) (talk) 06:50, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Though I find the templates amazing, cheers mate!, I do have one minor remark. Aesthetically I found, and find with regards to the Oceania template, the use of "small lettering for explanatory purposes" making the templates/articles more easily readable. I would like to see this lettering changed back to the "small-lettering". Of course if you, or anyone, disagrees the normal-size lettering can stay too. LightPhoenix (talk) 22:54, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

thanks for your kind words (here and on my talk) (moving the tables to templates was the easy part, upgrading Africa, Asia, and America to the level of the Europe and Oceania tables was the harder part lol. you guys had put together good tables.)

i agree w/ you on the font size... I started to add font size coding to the individual cells on one of the tables, but there has to be a way to apply the font size to the whole table (either by a font size that applied to the whole table, or to whole columns -- and then we could apply larger font sizes to the country names and headers if need be). I never figured out the right coding though (and actually had forgotten about it till you mentioned it)... Outsider80^(User0529) (talk) 23:20, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I know what you mean, I've been experimenting with the coding a little but but I don't get the small lettering into a whole column either. LightPhoenix (talk) 19:09, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

I finally got it to take... (not sure what I was doing wrong).. I fixed Americas, Asia, and Oceania (Europe and Africa already had global font-sizes to the tables, not sure if you did that or if it was already that way.) going to remove the manual small text codes from Oceania now. peace .. Outsider80^(User0529) (talk) 20:21, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Wait, we're going to add small-text, when something has to be variefied behind the country name (e.g. an overseas territory of the U.K.) or behind the Yes/No boxes (e.g. when it was legalised) right (instead of removing it)? Or maybe I'm just missing something...yeah, that's possibly the case. Take care, LightPhoenix (talk) 20:36, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

I left the small-texting code under the territory names... wouldn't the normal (90%) size text w/ a line break between male & female be enough for the legal column? (unless it got really wordy). whichever font size works for me though. btw, agree w/ your shortening of the wordier table cells.. some rows are a whole screen length long. Outsider80^(User0529) (talk) 20:45, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, my reasoning is that since we're bound to make notes even in an "oversight" table like this one (e.g. "Legal since year-X" or something in the Notes column) everything should be "small"-sized (at least, in my opinion). Because I think the thing we want is to have a table that is relatively easy to browse through (and if people want more info they can always go to the specific article about the country's LGBT-rights) and as we've seen...the table about The Americas is currently huge and is thus not improving our whole intention of giving people an easy oversight. Anyway, since my specialist field is not really the (en)coding business I'll leave it up to you if you want to extend the "small"-size encoding over the entire of columns, or just keep it in the column with the country's name in it. Because it's not a "major" problem to have normal font-size but simply a minor remark I have so yeah. Take care, LightPhoenix (talk) 21:37, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

(un-indent) hmm...... are you proposing small-texting all of the Homosexuality legal? (2nd column) cells, or just certain ones? if we were to do it for all of them, it might be easier to just use table cell (or column) style coding (removing the need for manual <small> codes) ... but that raises the question of if we were going to make all of the 2nd column cells smaller, then why not all columns' cells (not counting country names & column headers) -- but we are already at 90% font-size for the tables, so going down much smaller than that for whole columns (instead of just in cases where a specific cell is too wordy) might make it harder to read. anyway--either font size works for me, the reason I initially removed the small text codes from Europe was to standardize it w/ the other tables on the world page. so whichever method we go with, will just have to be repeated for the other continents - Outsider80^(User0529) (talk) 22:30, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Resolved

 – resolved topic, overcrowding issues since addressed

Banning of 'all' anti-gay legislation

I'm confused as to what this means in the Anti-discrimination column. According to the entries the UK bans 'most' anti-gay legislation, whilst Ireland is listed as banning 'all' anti-gay legislation. Yet navigate to the relevant pages and there appear to be more red 'x's in the Summary table for Ireland than for the UK. I confess that I am confused. I may be missing something and the references are correct, but at the very least there appears to be misleading impressions being given here.--Augustusr (talk) 00:56, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Turkey is Asian and is in Asia. Please correct this. 13 May 2009

UK rights

Why isn't the "gay marriage" tickbox for the UK ticked when a civil partnership is exactly the same as marriage in terms of rights. The only difference is the name. Eraserhead1 (talk) 19:36, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Which to many is considered the equivalent to the separate but equal arguments in the United States during the Segregationist period.--67.240.87.16 (talk) 16:07, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah but that's not a good argument as gay marriage is only separate by name with marriage. And in the US in the segregationist period, blacks weren't actually equal with whites, for a start Blacks had to sit at the back of the bus, and move to stand if a white got on and wanted to sit in that row of the bus. If they were actually "separate but equal" then they wouldn't have had to move. Eraserhead1 (talk) 09:02, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

PS See http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_5230000/newsid_5230800/5230826.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&news=1&ms3=6&ms_javascript=true&bbcws=2 and what the judge says: Abiding single sex relationships are in no way inferior, nor does English Law suggest that they are by according them recognition under the name of civil partnership. Eraserhead1 (talk) 09:07, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

On Singapore's description it reads "or 'Gross indencency' between males" after describing homosexual male sex acts. Not only is 'indecency' misspelled, I also believe this to be homophobic vandalism. Someone take this out please. -anonymous —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.62.61.66 (talk) 05:56, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

US same-sex adoption

I'm pretty sure the statement "no state disallows single gay persons from adopting" is inaccurate -- I believe Florida does (although there is a pending court case which may overturn the ban).--Inonit (talk) 21:25, 8 May 2009 (UTC)