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Teachings of Prem Rawat


Gazifikator

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning Gazifikator

User requesting enforcement
brandспойт 08:16, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
User against whom enforcement is requested
Gazifikator (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Arbitration case whose sanctions are to be enforced
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2
Sanction or remedy that has been violated
Disruptive editing, Wikipedia is not a battleground
Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy
[3], [4], [5], [6], [7]
Explanation how these edits violate the sanction or remedy at issue
Ongoing point-pushing and political struggle in AA topics, now in the Radical Islamism in Azerbaijan (official warning)
Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)
1RR or at admin's discretion
Additional comments
Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
[8]

Discussion concerning Gazifikator

I don't see any violations in my actions. I created the Radical Islamism in Azerbaijan article, which is completely sourced and seems to not have any problems with Wikipedia rules. Then user Brandmeister suggested to merge it with "Islam in Azerbaijan" article [9]. During the discussion I explained that these two terms are not the same and that it is not correct to merge an article about peaceful Islam believers with the one about radical Islamists and wahhabist terrorists [10]. As a result, user Brandmeister merged these two articles without waiting for a decision by an admin [11]. I returned it back, as user Brandmeister obviously violated Wikipedia rules on merging and the only third-party user is also opposing the merger [12]. Then without waiting for a decision on merging, user Grandmaster started to add irrelevant info (again about Islam believers) to the article which will support their position to merge these two articles. Another user, who is now indef. blocked and never discussed his actions, supported their actions [13] [14] [15]. And lately, user Baku87 reverted the article to indef. blocked user's version without any explanations at talk page [16], while I explained all my edits there. And the only notification ([17], not a warning) I received, was for my edits in a different article on genocides and no any relations with this case. Gazifikator (talk) 16:12, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It appears to me that repeatedly reverted Radical islamism is a part of Gazifikator's politically-coloured articles with possible coatrack. In this recent edit for example Gazifikator deleted sourced info, which was labelled as 'unsourced POV-pushing'. Regarding Goldorack, as per WP:BAN, good-faith edits must not be reverted just because they were made by a banned user. brandспойт 20:13, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • To Gazifikator: I'm quite confused as to why a pagemerge should not have went ahead because a "decision by an admin" had not been passed. Administrators take no role in article content matters (but rather monitor user conduct).
    Separately: I'd note that Sandstein placed Gazifikator on notice earlier this month, and so discretionary sanctions could (per AA2) be placed on Gazifikator's account (although I make no comment as to whether that would be warranted at this time).
    AGK 15:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning Gazifikator

This section is to be edited only by the administrator closing this request for arbitration enforcement. Use {{discussion top}} / {{discussion bottom}} to mark it as closed.

Wowest

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning Wowest

User requesting enforcement
Ice Cold Beer (talk) 03:21, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
User against whom enforcement is requested
Wowest (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Arbitration case whose sanctions are to be enforced
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/September 11 conspiracy theories
Sanction or remedy that has been violated
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/September 11 conspiracy theories#Discretionary sanctions
Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy
[18][19]
Explanation how these edits violate the sanction or remedy at issue
Wowest is canvassing new editors to a discussion[20] where he believes the new editors will be sympathetic to his cause.
Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)
Indefinite topic ban
Additional comments
Wowest has been a tendentious editor in 9/11-related articles for some time. Indeed, he has been banned before[21] and appeared on this page earlier this month, the result of which was a "formal, final warning" to Wowest by the closing administrator.[22] I will be notifying the closing administrator, AGK (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA), of this thread per his request. Update: done.
Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
[23]

Discussion concerning Wowest

I would firstly express my concern that yet another complaint over Wowest's conduct is being presented to this noticeboard. I am unsure at this point whether the complaint has any substance (a point that I will explore in a little more detail below), but I would invite input from Wowest as to how he feels about being the subject of another complaint (even after my quite clear final warning a few weeks ago).

I would observe that the crux of this complaint seems, to my mind, to be that Wowest's conduct has constituted inappropriate canvassing of other editors. I copy for reference the summary table from Wikipedia:Canvassing, the project's behavioural guideline on this aspect of editor conduct:

  Scale   Message   Audience   Transparency
Friendly notice Limited posting AND Neutral AND Nonpartisan AND Open
Inappropriate canvassing Mass posting OR Biased OR Partisan OR Secret
Term Excessive cross-posting   Campaigning   Votestacking   Stealth canvassing

If sanctions are to be placed on Wowest's account as a result of this complaint, I would expect them to be because an administrator thinks his comments to other editors to be "inappropriate canvassing" (in one of its four shades—scale, message, audience, or transparency) rather than a "friendly notice." By extension, the question we ask ought to be whether Wowest's comments are negatively influencing editing in this subject area. I tentatively suggest that I think that may unfortunately be the case.

I would invite the input of other administrators (and, as above, Wowest) on this. AGK 15:59, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

After further review of Wowest's presence in this subject area, I am growing increasingly concerned about his editing there. I note my intention to pass sanctions on Wowest's account at the conclusion of this thread (although, as always, further input may give me cause to reconsider that intention). AGK 16:03, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Given that the user has not been following policy guidelines before, a limited sanction might have the effect that the user will look for the relevant guidelines before doing something that might be in violation of policy. I don't know whether such a form of "punitive-preventative" form of sanction exists or would be legitimate, however.  Cs32en  16:42, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

By posting two messages to a partisan audience, Wowest (talk · contribs) has not followed WP:CANVASS. The user's messages were limited, neutral, and open. Wowest (talk · contribs) has apparently not been warned to stop the canvassing before this A/E request has been filed. There is damage to the editing process, but the damage is limited, as the canvassing can be taken into account when evaluating consensus. As sanctions are preventative, they should only be applied if editors continue a form of disruptive behavior after having been warned, or if they resume a form of behaviour about which they have already been warned previously. We certainly would be able to better judge about this case if the user had been warned before this request has been filed. A warning should generally be accompanied by advice on how to proceed without violating policy, i.e., in this case, the possibility of informing all editors who have contributed to related articles irrespective of their views on the issue.  Cs32en  16:22, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wowest has been consistently unhelpful in editing 9/11 topics. They were previously topic banned for 45 days. The inappropriate canvassing is just frosting on the cake. As an editor with first hand experience trying to improve these articles, I have suffered through a parade of single purpose, pro-Truther accounts with all their wikilawyering, endless pestering, and circular argumentation. This is a highly disturbed area where sanctions should be applied swiftly to prevent disruptive editors from driving off productive editors. Jehochman Talk 17:33, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The unpleasant editing environment to which productive editors to the 9/11 area are subjected is something that I'm quite concerned about, so I'm sympathetic to your comment. In an attempt to strike a balance between "swiftly" removing editors and being recklessly hasty, I'd anticipate this thread being closed by tomorrow afternoon (after input from any editors who wish to offer it). AGK 17:46, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning Wowest

This section is to be edited only by the administrator closing this request for arbitration enforcement. Use {{discussion top}} / {{discussion bottom}} to mark it as closed.

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning Shutterbug

User requesting enforcement
The Legendary Shadow! (talk)13:13, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
User against whom enforcement is requested
Shutterbug (talk)
Arbitration case whose sanctions are to be enforced
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Scientology
Sanction or remedy that has been violated
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Scientology#Scope_of_Scientology_topic_ban
Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy
Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Scientology#Statement_by_Shutterbug
Explanation how these edits violate the sanction or remedy at issue
Section 3A of 'Scope of Scientology topic ban' states:

3A) Editors topic banned by remedies in this proceeding are prohibited (i) from editing articles related to Scientology or Scientologists, broadly defined, as well as the respective article talk pages and (ii) from participating in any Wikipedia process relating to those articles, including as examples but not limited to, articles for deletion, reliable sources noticeboard, administrators' noticeboard and so forth.

User has posted to the talk page of the arbitration case on Scientology, this is clearly a violation of the above terms of their topic ban.

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)
as per terms laid out in Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Scientology#Enforcement, user should be blocked for 1 month
Additional comments
Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
The requesting user is asked to notify the user against whom this request is directed of it, and then to replace this text with a diff of that notification. The request will normally not be processed otherwise.

Discussion concerning User:Shutterbug

The user has self reverted so I'm not sure whether any action is required. PhilKnight (talk) 13:22, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It was his comment on the talk page of the arbitration case that I was referring to, I wasn't aware of any action on the Scientology article. The Legendary Shadow! (talk) 13:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unless repeated or disruptive, I don't think that banning a named party to a RFAR from comment is a good idea, even after the close. Meanwhile, isn't launching AE complaints broadly concerning Scientology articles also topic-blocked under the "and so forth"? (To prevent continuing conflict by other means.) It's best to let all drop, and I'm sure that many admins are keeping an eye out for serious violations. (With that, out of here before I get smacked—but clarification of if the block also extends to AE actions as well would be nice.) AndroidCat (talk) 14:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mind you, the requesting user above, The Legendary Shadow!, has been topic-banned by the same ArbCom (Diff). So I consider her enforcement request as another attempt to stir up trouble and unrest. As I noted on the ArbCom page (that is not an "article" per 3b) of the ArbCom "decision"): there are lies left in this case and that is why it will never get to rest until the discrimination issue is sorted out. Shutterbug (talk) 20:32, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning User:Shutterbug

This section is to be edited only by the administrator closing this request for arbitration enforcement. Use {{discussion top}} / {{discussion bottom}} to mark it as closed.