Talk:Mirror's Edge

Faith's last name

Later in the closing credits there is a news broadcast where Faith and her sisters' last name is mentioned, it is either Conners or Connors. --114.76.104.132 (talk) 15:23, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Their surname is Connors, source is subtitles in chapter 1 singleplayer intro. - Crisun (talk) 19:28, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Plot

There are several referances to an election throughout the game, a central plot piece is the assignation of a mayoral candidate, so the regime cannot be described as totalitarian, it is a democracy, albeit a malfunctioning one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.104.77 (talk) 21:09, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Visual Style: Reactions?

Is there any word on people's reactions to the visual style of the game, especially the cinematics?

Personally, I was disappointed; we're presented with some great cover art, a nice bullshot on the back of the box, and an awesome in-game visual style, but when the cinematics started, I was turned off. I liked the ones in first-person well enough, but in the rest of the clips, I thought the animation wasn't fitting, and it looked like they were going to pitch Esurance at me. Albino Bebop (talk) 20:07, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't feel anything about it one way, or the other, and I can understand why they did it like that, it would of saved them a lot of money, since they didn't have to mocap and lipsync, now they can just outsource most of the work to Korea. --114.76.104.132 (talk) 15:23, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I didn't think it was anything to do with outsourcing, I thought it was just a stylistic choice they made that some people disagreed with. 152.91.9.219 (talk) 03:52, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Parkour

Added some parkour references. Citations not appearing at bottom of article. Sheeeeeeep (talk) 16:05, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

You might find WP:CIT handy in the future. It explains how to format references in articles. It's a little confusing at first, but after I had gone through my first article, fixing refs and filling in missing info and standardising format, it became second nature, so do not be alarmed. clicketyclick_yaketyyak 22:47, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Gametrailers link

Regardless of whether the page contains "substantial information" as defined by WP:VG/EL or not, it contains nothing that the official site doesn't already offer, as the official site has the same video, and has had it up for three days now. Hence, I think it's fair to remove the link. Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 09:42, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Not in HD, and not in a downloadable format. --MrStalker ^(talk) 10:04, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Substantial as in the size of it, hence MobyGames and IMDb, which are extensive databases of information. Note under "Inappropriate external links" in lists: "The video game's page at 1up, GameSpot, IGN, GameSpy and other commercial video game news and reviews sites - Such links can be seen as promotion of the associated commercial sites." This fits GameTrailers. On a side-note, that sure doesn't look HD to me.clicketyclick_yaketyyak 10:40, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Click on "HD" under the video. --MrStalker ^(talk) 12:08, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

I've seen GameTrailer links on so many other articles I assumed it's OK, but I recognize it isn't. Fair enough then. --MrStalker ^(talk) 20:08, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

No issues. I'm not majorly against the link being included, I just don't personally see it adding much to the article. If we were to start seeing trailers as significant external links, articles like Heavenly Sword would be twice as long due to the sheer number of trailers that are often released [1]. Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 20:14, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Personally I view the trailer to this game as being an interesting external link to the article as it brings information about Mirror's Edge that simply cannot be transcribed. However so as the avoid the whole marketing aspect, how about using a Youtube link which is not uncommon on wikipedia articles? I've found the following to have the best video quality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JReRu8UDh4

Secondly, I would also like to propose an external link to a producer interview, also hosted on youtube, which gives an insight on the goals which the developers are trying to reach and the angle current in development. Feel free to take a look at it first here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibUZP86HX-4&feature=related

If no one has any objections I will add these two links in a couple of days, however I'm for putting this up for debate :) (On a side note: Man I can't wait for this game ^^) GBobly (talk) 18:16, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Alternatively we have this link for the trailer which has been posted by EA on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N1TJP1cxmo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.173.6.67 (talk) 19:36, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Youtube is still a commercial site. And while trailers are important to a game and potential buyers, they do not belong on an encyclopedia. A trailer is essentially a product commercial. Should we include youtube links of commercials for Macintosh on its page? Not only would things get crowded, as Dreaded Walrus said (and I'm sure we're going to see plenty of trailers for Mirror's Edge before its out), but it also teeters dangerously on the edge of trivial information lists. The guidelines state: "Please use appropriate external link templates ... Only add templates when they provide additional, or corroborative, encyclopedic information to the article." Youtube apparently so fails this criteria that no-one has bothered to make an external link template for it. And does Youtube meet reliable source criteria? As for the interview, if the information revealed in it can be integrated into the article, then go ahead and insert the info in the article and use video (at GT) as a reference. clicketyclick_yaketyyak 18:46, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Clicketyclick on pretty much all of his arguments, though I would like to point out that there is a Template:YouTube. The reason it is so rarely used is because there is very rarely a valid reason to link to YouTube (most times it is linked is often spam, or copyvios, or something else that goes against our external links policy). Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 19:21, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Hah, it's not even listed on the page that lists all the templates so I missed it. It is interesting to note that the person who started the page for a Youtube external link is a suspected sockpuppet of a banned user. Make of that what you will. clicketyclick_yaketyyak 19:48, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Simulation sickness

Owen O'Brien, senior producer, said:

Simulation sickness is when you get a difference between what you see and what you expect to see. So there are little things. Like the little bit of HUD [heads-up-display] that we have is a small reticule that gives you a focal point. If you take that out of the game, you do start to get ill. A bit like a ballerina doing pirouettes — if they focus on something, then they’re fine. Also, the camera in our game does quite a lot of clever things. It’s simulating your eyes rather than your head. I think what a lot of people have done in the past is they’ve stuck a camera in the person’s head and they move around like robots….The field of view is very important. A lot of first-person games have a very claustrophobic point of view, usually to create tension or scares. We’ve got a very wide field of view which gives you much more peripheral view of the city. And you get much less disoriented.

I see a lot of people worrying that they'll get sick playing the game after watching the video of gameplay, but they took out the reticule from the video, so most people probably don't know that there's a solution built in for simulation sickness, and it's worth mentioning that this game has something more akin to peripheral vision than other first-person games. This is a very important piece of information, but I just don't know how to work it into the article. clicketyclick_yaketyyak 22:46, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I added it but I'm still not sure about its placement. clicketyclick_yaketyyak 22:30, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Release Date Unconfirmed

I can't find EA DICE confirmation of the release date quoted here. If noone comes up with it in a few days, I think the release date should be taken down until EA DICE confirms. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.73.21.1 (talk) 08:19, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I haven't been able to find anything but the ref already given and this: [2]. There's an official "late 2008" confirmation in this video: [3]. HertzaHaeon (talk) 10:43, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

EA Confirms Simultaneous Release on Xbox 360, PS3, PC

EA has officially confirmed that Mirror's Edge will not be released as a timed-exclusive for the Playstation 3. Mirror's Edge will be released simultaneously for the Xbox 360, PS3, and PC. EA Officially said: "Mirror’s Edge will be shipping this winter on PS3, XBOX360 and PC. Mirror’s Edge will not be a timed exclusive for PS3."

Here is the website citation that proves this: http://buttonmasher.co.nz/2008/08/25/ea-mirrors-edge-will-not-be-a-timed-exclusive-for-ps3/ Mike mgoblue (talk) 23:49, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, no, this doesn't mean a simultanous release for all three platforms. "This winter" does actually span a possible release period of several months. Amazon.de mentions a release date of January 8th, 2009: [4]. --Klaws (talk) 17:04, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Demo

Added some info about the purported demo; if anyone can, please add a reference -- I cannot remember my source (although it was a legitimate site; perhaps Kotaku reporting another site's news).

UPDATE - Oct. 31, 2008: The demo's been released on LIVE, though I'm not sure if there;s a PlayStation Network version yet.

Vinnie (talk) 00:05, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• Demo was on PSN Thursday - i.e. a day before LIVE. Try checking t'internet next time........ ;o) 86.7.209.199 (talk) 02:44, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Collector's Edition?

EA's website has no collectors edition, and says nothing about a red bag.

(This is Wii24; just not logged in) 24.131.197.59 (talk) 19:02, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Logo reference in image

Wouldn't the logo resemble the shape around Faith's eye, rather than the shape resembling the logo?

Desirsar (talk) 06:50, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, unless the logo has any other use that's how it should be seen. But it seems like OR unless sourced (either way it's said). Rekija (talk) 22:53, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay after playing the game it seems that logo is meant to mean "runner" or at least Faith's group of runners. So maybe not. I say remove it until it's sourced anyway. Rekija (talk) 00:15, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Wired article

Thompson, Clive (November 17, 2008). "Victory in Vomit: The Sickening Secret of Mirror's Edge". Wired News. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help) —Erik (talk • contrib) 20:54, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

"Mixed" reviews?

Mostly 8's and 9's, with a couple of 6's and 5's? I'd call that "mostly positive", not mixed. I won't make the edit, as I'm not experienced with Wikipedia and for all I know there's some strict rationale governing adjective use, but the reviews for this game don't seem "mixed" to me. Almost every well-reviewed game has one or two detractors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.163.80.161 (talk) 02:12, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Asian/Eurasian?

Which is she? Common consensus seems to be that she's (east) asian, though the interview cited clearly states "She's Eurasian." And her last name is Conners, implying western ancestry. -128.103.10.17 (talk) 18:04, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

the consensus is irrelevant. she is Eurasian. [5] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.218.156.200 (talk) 19:51, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Do we have any reliable sources to back this up? ~~ [ジャム]^[t - c] 20:01, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

read the source, [6]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.218.156.200 (talk) 03:31, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

OK. I've re-added it with the source. It took more time to find where it had originally been mentioned than it did to re-add it... ~~ [ジャム]^[t - c] 10:14, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

FUNNY, she really looks asian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.7.88.127 (talk) 05:13, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Deleting zero puncuation qoute.

His entire gig is sarcastic humor, not actual fact or true opinion. He's proved himself to say anything, just to cause a stir in the crowd. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.65.158.154 (talk) 10:56, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

He is still considered a reviewer.

"Zero Punctuation is a series of video game reviews created by Ben “Yahtzee” Croshaw and produced for The Escapist."
"The reviews became vastly popular, leading to a four hundred percent increase in the Escapist's traffic."
"Croshaw, more often than not, provides highly critical reviews of games, usually focusing on a game's faults."
"The reviews are not universally negative though, as he praised games such as Fallout 3, Thief series"

Zef (talk) 16:26, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Regardless, his comments shouldn't be included in articles. Fin©™ 16:43, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. Whilst he does provide highly critical reviews he doesn't say something just to cause comment. He gives his own opinion of the game, just like any other reviewer. He is a game critic and reviewer and should be regarded as such.--58.106.201.116 (talk) 05:29, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

I'd say he does say things just to cause controversy - look at his review of SSBB. This has been discussed on WT:VG anyway, if you feel differently you should bring it up there. Thanks! Fin©™ 16:34, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

That is a very strong argument you give Fin©™. And yes, his "Gig" is tarcastic humor, but his reviews are factual. What part of "citing its fundamental design, shallow plot, game breaking bugs and short length; while still stating that its existence is a positive thing due to it being original and trying something new." is not true. Just because you don't like the negative review, doesn't meen that it is not true. Did the game not have a shallow plot, bugs, and was it not very short? Yes it was. Zef (talk) 16:36, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Heading back to kindergarten, those aren't facts, those are opinions. Opinions can't be "true" or "false". Things like length of time are relative (and on a side note, Portal was like an hour long and he worshiped it like a god) As for his opinions, they are more entertaining and less objective, and are not good sources, in my opinion. Nar Matteru (talk) 16:48, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

(e/c) There's no need to be sarcastic! He's an entertainer first and a reviewer second - his reviews may be factual, but he deliberately concentrates on the negative to make it more entertaining. Edge gave Mirror's a negative review, I've no problem with that. The issue isn't with the negativity, it's that he can't be considered a reliable source. If I were to post a review of Mirror's blasting it, and I got a load of hits, would that make the review notable or reliable? No, it wouldn't. There's existing discussion at WT:VG, bring it up there. Thanks! Fin©™ 16:52, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and when I said "factual", I meant he doesn't outright lie in his reviews, not that what he says is universally true. Thanks! Fin©™ 16:54, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

So what you are saying is that it is a review though? Zef (talk) 16:58, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

A review in the sense that when I say I think a game is good, I'm reviewing it. It's in no way notable or reliable and shouldn't be included in the article. Thanks! Fin©™ 17:05, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

I've changed my mind. You're right, it probably shouldn't be included although I still think he doesn't just say things to cause a stir, he actually didn't like brawl. Is this the first time someone conceded on the internet?--58.106.201.116 (talk) 05:29, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually I put that there. I only did so because, even though he might be more of an entertainer, he is still a reviewer. Also, the game having bugs is not an opinion, if it is actually documented. One more thing: even though he exaggerates all the negative aspects of a game, that helps you notice the problems that much more, which may or may not be a good thing.

I hope that didn't sound mean in any way, I'm not very good at counter-arguments. I have no problem with you removing the post. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.14.8.120 (talk) 01:04, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I hope I do not have to remind you that all reviews are based on opinion and not solid scientific evidence. So if you have a problem quoting one that is being baised if you quote any others. It is wikipedias task to remove bias, and reception is in of itself biased on thier opinions so the best way to keep it unbiased is incluse the biased information from most well known sources. If you have a problem quiting him directly, there is always the art of paraphrasing or describing how he reviewed the game. an example "Zero Punctunations, Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw gave this game a particularly scathing review, going so far as to reference it in later episodes of his video reviews as being a retard for purchasing it." or of course to similar extent. --the One, the Only, Wikipedia Lurker. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.214.6.81 (talk) 11:17, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I must admit that I have not read any of his reviews - however, it sounds like the debate here is whether Zero Punctuation is a reviewer or a parody artist. If the latter is the case, then his quotes are not appropriate here any more than Weird Al's thoughts on the Amish belong in an Amish article. LogosDiablo (talk) 01:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Gamasutra article

Just read this Gamasutra article on the game. It might be a useful source of quotations to incorporate into this page - into the "Reception" section, and possibly elsewhere. Here are a couple that stood out for me:

• "Unlike Assassin's Creed, which adapts the fluidity of parkour by making movement consistently easy, Mirror's Edge adapts that fluidity by making it hard."
• "The game is a shooter that makes you hate to shoot"
• "Whereas so many games simulate unlimited power, Mirror's Edge shows us the limits of power -- not only that of Faith, but that of the entire first-person shooter genre. [...] Mirror's Edge replaces the pleasure of violent engagement with the pleasure of running away."

--Nick R^Talk 17:12, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

City Name

The article says the city is unnamed, but I'm pretty sure it's called New Eden. Can anyone confirm?

Kronos o (talk) 23:59, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

According to GAME, it is called Edge City. However, I think we need a few more reliable confirmations of this (or of other names) before it can go in the article. ~~ [ジャム]^[t - c] 08:41, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, after some more Googling, Edge City is the only reliable reference I can find to a city name. "Ubiquitous" was mentioned as a city name on a forum, but nothing reliable; the same for "New Eden" - it is mentioned as the name of a level, but not confirmed as the name of the city.

I'm willing to leave it as unnamed, unless more reliable sources come up for a particular city name. ~~ [ジャム]^[t - c] 08:49, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

New Eden Is The Name Of A Level. It's Um The Mall. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.203.210 (talk) 00:57, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

New Eden is the mall. Source is the audible advertisements that can heard in the elevators inside the mall. LogosDiablo (talk) 01:04, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

One level mentions "lower east side" which means it has to be nyc, as most places have an "east side" the "lower" part seems a bit of a give away. The architecture looks more like Nagoya or Guandong. I think it might be fictional... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.104.77 (talk) 20:16, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Platformer vs. Action-Adventure Debate

In my opinion, this game is a Platformer with Action elements. I really don't see what's "Adventure" about it, other than that uh...it's an adventure. Being an adventure doesn't put it in the adventure genre. Regardless, I consider this game to be mostly in the Platformer genre. Just because it is dissimilar to most platformers doesn't mean it's not a platformer. Kronos o (talk) 14:33, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Agree. LogosDiablo (talk) 01:06, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Sequel/ trilogy

I heard that they plan to make another 2 follow up games to make a mirrors edge trilogy. In the article there is no sign of any sequels though - im pretty sure they are going to make at least one —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.131.9.6 (talk) 16:08, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Do you have a source for that? We can't just go adding hearsay into the article. ~~ [ジャム]^[t - c] 19:05, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I thought EA had officially anounced it, just by typing it in google i found loads of responses. According to this site EA confimed they are well into the planning stage of a second game http://ultimateplaystation.com/story-459-EA-plans-Mirrors-Edge-2.html