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ClockworkSoul 16:24, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

GoldenEye 007[edit]

Well, I only know the mission briefings because I double checked them the other day when I wrote it up. I like the style of how the storyline and missions go. When I initially wrote it, the object was to write a summary of the game and reference the levels so that when you're reading along you can look over on the side and see a timeline of the events in the game. Hence parts where I put the level name in quotes, like "Depot", "Silo", and "Frigate". I honestly hate the way Half-Life 2 is setup right now as far as how their story goes. Besides that its all over the place, I don't like how it's broken down into a list. Theres no reason for that. I don't particularly think the storyline section we have is too detailed, but I do believe that some parts might be written in a way to make it seem like the story is virtually identical to the film or novelization when in reality, its not. It's based on, yes, but they're not the same. (Silo, Frigate, Depot, going to Severnaya etc) Thats why I initially wrote it with some insight saying "this part wasn't in the film" etc. May not have have been a great idea, but I wanted to make the summary seem like it had a purpose instead of just rewritting the plot summary of the movie.

The Cold War bit, I don't know. Being based on the movie - the first scene took place "9 years ago". The movie, released in 1995, would make that roughly 1986. The surface level in the game states it takes place "4 years ago", but 4 years ago from what? Does the game actually take place in 1995? Its never said and its possible the game is saying that the Severnaya level took place 4 years before the Dam level. So... your guess is as good as mine. I could be missing something - I'd ax the line just because we don't know. K1Bond007 20:49, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)


Hi there. I'm pretty sure that ACE was the predecessor of Edge - you're right it's not in the Edge archives, but, in itself, that's not completely surprising. The reason that I wanted to mention it was from the Top Banana article (one of the external links for that also mentions ACE becoming Edge). Anyway, keep an eye out for more info if you like, Thanks, Trollderella 17:20, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

reason for reverting latin?[edit]

why did you revert my trivia about matrix in latin? It seems quite interesting and relevant. njh 04:57, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

It's not relevant to the film. If you must, add it to the list at the end of the disambiguation page. --Nick RTalk 17:42, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure what the requirements for 'film relevancy' are, but it seems that a story about keeping humans as animals for breeding called by a latin word meaning 'animals kept for breeding' would fit. But hey, do what you think is best. njh 01:39, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


Whoops, ya I obviously forgot that line. :) I still maintain that it's too trivial though. Thanks for pointing it out. K1Bond007 19:22, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Perfect Dark Zero[edit]

Hey Nick, I dont know if you're a "moderator" for the PDZ forum, but I'd like to contribute a lot to that (as well as some other video games for the 360). If you could help me out a bit, direct me to some links, or even help me become a member that controls the PDZ article that would be cool too. Thanks for you help, and hope to hear from you. --Dukester101 04:16, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Matrix minor chars[edit]

DUDE, we decided to do the same thing the same time...

Howzabuot we do it together..? mine is a little more "cleaned up" and I added the nice Introductory text (which should be expanded, if you may)

Well, my title format fits the style used by the "Ships" article ("list of", capitalisation, "series" rather than "universe".--Nick RTalk 12:02, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Agreed, I didn't realize that. Just decided to start it. Then copy some from mine to yours and delete mine, no problem with that for me.
Before we turn your article into a redirect page (sorry!), I just want to check: did you make any changes as you transferred the characters across? I made a few fairly minor ones. I've also now reworded your introduction. --Nick RTalk 12:13, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that, I made a few minor changes, put the ext refs to the bottom, stuff like that. I think we can delete my article. A redirect seems unnecessary. VdSV9 12:22, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Well, according to Wikipedia:Merge#How_to_rename_a_page the edit history always has to be preserved, and I did copy your contribution of the introduction over. A redirect is easiest, I think. I'll do it now.. --Nick RTalk 12:26, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

So be it. I'm doing some changes to (y)our art. VdSV9 12:37, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I'll fix all the links from Charname (Matrix character) to #charname now. VdSV9 12:49, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

How very nice, even though I was already working on it.. However, its all the human characters, rather than program characters, which have a page I already made. It should be changed to List of minor humans of the Matrix series. Atropos 23:43, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

The Matrix[edit]

Man, Morpheus introduces Neo to the construct program one day before the Dojo Fight, you're messing things up. You know... the first time Neo is plugged while in the Neb... Him and Morpheus in a white place, the red armchair, "you believe it to be 1999, but in fact its 2199...". " change human beings into this" "lemme out!" Neo vomits... It's only the next day... Tank shows up on Neo's room "did sleep?" "you will tonight, I garantee it!" ... "I know kung fu" "show me" ... "This is a sparring program, similar to the matrix... rules can be bent, others broken" remember now or should I go on? Plus, I do believe (and it seems I'm not the only, we can start a discussion on the talk page if we must) that the blue pill and red pill should be in bold or italics or both, I'll leave it in italics.

I'm gonna change a few things back. VdSV9 18:29, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

OK, I've moved my decription of the Construct to a more appropriate place, and expanded the description of how Neo first enters it. (Which meant I also had to mention the plug in the back of his head earlier.)
The red and blue pills are important items in the film, but the colours are descriptive names for the objects ("Blue pill" is the same as "one of the pills, which is blue..."), not proper nouns, so I don't think they should be emphasised in any way. But I'll stop changing it if you really feel strongly about it. --Nick RTalk 19:57, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello there, long time no talk. Well, that To-Do list is a mess (my fault actually...) What do you say we 'reset' it? -- VdSV9 12:44, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Perfect Dark[edit]

Thanks for your recent edits to the Perfect Dark article, I think it's a pretty strong article now. Perhaps you would like to contribute to the Featured Article debate? Soo 16:09, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your continued contributions. You write better than me so I appreciate it when you reword my often hamfisted sentences. I wonder, though, whether speedstrafing can really be called a bug in Perfect Dark. You could certainly make a case for it being so in GoldenEye, but surely Rare would've known about it by PD and deliberately left it in. I agree that its a curiosity of the engine worth mentioning, but I'm not convinced it's really a bug. Also I feel we should probably mention some of the graphical bugs. Perhaps we should also mention the flaw that allows you to cheat the Challenge system, since this is rather catastrophic. Soo 14:39, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the compliment on my writing style, and for adding the Edge review score; I was going to do that myself. :)
I agree that speed-strafing is more a curiosity than a bug, though that paragraph is probably the best place to mention it - perhaps the sentence I added about it being almost essential for achieving the target times (it's the same in GE, come to think of it) could be reworded to point out that it was an intentional inclusion, like guards' inability to see through glass in GE. But however sensible that conclusion is, unless we can find a reference from Rare it's just an assumption. --Nick RTalk 15:26, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

An award! Congratulations![edit]

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The Beatles article[edit]

Read the entry in Talk:The Beatles as to why the infobox listing for former members is the way it is. Steelbeard1 19:41, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

VFD: Speedrun template[edit]

Haha, no, that's not the greatest reasoning ever. And seriously, that was just not a good template. Thanks for the heads up. -- Kicking222 01:49, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


It timed out once I restarted my computer, for me. I replaced it back with the search link. I think with the link you have of the "tribute" coupled with the "search" link, it should be sufficient. That's a crap problem on the AA website. We should probably include (if not already done, I haven't re-read the section) the bit about the "Saturn Award" that is on the "tribute" page. I know the Saturn Awards don't time out their pages. Bignole 20:51, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

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Beatles, Mann and Aeolian Cadences[edit]

Thanks for fixing my contribution. I always figure someone's going to come along and delete or flag or vandalize. It's nice when it's an improvement. NjtoTX 00:00, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

X-Men (film)[edit]

Be careful of User:Wildroot. Despite how many times I try to assume good faith, he is in constant violation of WP:OWN and always blanks my copyedits. Alientraveller 08:30, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Citing reprints[edit]

You asked a question in an edit summary about how to cite an article that was reprinted in a book. The best way is to cite what you saw. So, if you only read the reprint in the book, you cite the book. You might add a comment about where the article originally appeared, with the intent being to help a future researcher by

  • providing other sources for the article,
  • being explicit about the two sources being effectively the same, and
  • making it clear you saw a reprint, which might have been altered from the original.

So, rather than starting with "Originally published in MoJo...", I'd put that at the end. — John Cardinal (talk) 17:22, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

A note on dates[edit]

Hi. I see you removed the comma from a date the "The Matrix" article with the foundation that it would be inserted according to the user's preferences. That is actually not correct. The date only gets parsed if the month and day are linked and, also, the year. Perhaps you'd like to read a recent discussion on my talk page here for further information and a test page that I made here. Happy editing. TINYMARK 19:24, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


Red Dwarf WikiProject Invitation

Dear Nick R, We have noticed that you have recently edited Red Dwarf related articles and we think you would make a great member of Red Dwarf WikiProject. --Nreive (talk) 09:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

IP address block[edit]

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Alternate titles, and columns in Lists of articles[edit]

I noticed that you are a big contributor in the "List of Sega Mega Drive games", and I'd like to invite you to contribute to the Talk:List of Nintendo 64 games#Removal of Alternate Titles and Number of Players where we are discussing the use of keeping alternate titles in the "List" some have suggested that they take up too much space and that other columns could seem to be "useful only to fans", and other things that have been mentioned that, and other 'List of' talk pages. I know you might be watching the page and seen how I mention this on the Mega Drive games list page, but I hope you'll come and give you opinion, and hopefully keep these type of concerns from arising again and again at each "List of" pages. (Floppydog66 (talk) 22:24, 18 December 2008 (UTC))

The Matrix[edit]

You recently removed an addition to the cast list in this article. The addition (which i had made) was of a minor, named, character in the film. If it is to remain omitted, I think the heading should probably be amended to read principal cast and characters, otherwise it will suffer from having an arbitrary cutoff as to who should be in and who out. Any views? Cheers. hamiltonstone (talk) 01:11, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

First-person shooter[edit]


I'm currently reviewing First-person shooter for GA status, and noticed you've contributed to the article in the past.

I wondered if you might have time to look over the article, and help improve it towards the GA goal?


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Edge magazine article[edit]

Hi, I noticed on Talk:E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (video game) you mentioned that Edge did a feature on the making of E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial. Do you happen to have that issue? If so, could you email me the information from it? I would really appreciate it. (Guyinblack25 talk 17:17, 1 October 2009 (UTC))

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I've responded to your query at Talk:Halo (series). Thanks for the helpful (and well-cited/written) additions! Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 16:35, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Perfect Dark FA[edit]

On behalf of WP:CHICAGO, thanks

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Featured Article Review of Perfect Dark[edit]

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GoldenEye 007 was nominated by the GA for someone, and then withdrawn - and I had even started fixing GA requests. Being the primary editor, what do you think it's needed before a renomination? Thanks. igordebraga 05:01, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

GoldenEye GA Nomination[edit]

Hi, I was just wondering if you planned on taking this article to GAN. The article seems basically done. Being the primary editor, I think you are the best person to nominate it. If you do not want to do it, I myself will nominate it and deal with the possible issues. --Niwi3 (talk) 16:22, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Alright, you mean an "Impact" section, something like Super Mario 64 or StarCraft right? It would be cool, though some sources will be hard to find. I will see what I can do when I have time, since I will be a little busy this week. I will also have a look at Edge magazine and see if I can add something. As for the polls and lists, I frankly don't know if it is suitable to summarise the polls/lists in a table, as I have not seen any video game article with this feature. --Niwi3 (talk) 23:10, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi again, I just want you to know that the issues you mentioned have been adressed as best I could and that I'm going to nominate the article soon if you don't have any more objections. The article seems practically done in my eyes. If you want to nominate it yourself and deal with the possible issues, feel free. --Niwi3 (talk) 13:22, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

GoldenEye GA review[edit]

Hi again, being one of the main contributors, the reviewer of the GoldenEye article would like to know if you think the article is up for GA review, please click here. --Niwi3 (talk) 20:46, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


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Re: PD article editing[edit]

Yes, it was intentional since I felt it was better to leave it as it was. To be frank, I admit I'm a bit finicky and obsessed with the article, and I hate that. Obsession is a bad thing. Anyway, if you think my edits can damage the article, feel free to undo them as long as you have a fair reason. --Niwi3 (talk) 21:44, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

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Beatles straw poll[edit]

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The Beatles[edit]

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Unsourced material[edit]

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Current/Past Members of the Beatles[edit]

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2nd Straw Poll[edit]

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I think I should explain to you a bit why I undid the edit on The Matrix article. I understand that 'upon reaching the exit' is grammatically correct way to say that Neo's reached the room. There's nothing wrong with it grammatically. But I would like to point out that Wikipedia is written for everyone. That includes the readers who've never seen the movie as well. When you said 'Upon reaching the exit,' it is possible for some readers to think that he's reached it safely and proceeds, while 'Before reaching the exit,' though it seems a nitpicking, eliminates that possible image and put the readers on the right track. I would like to point out too, that language concerns and its clarity is a factor in nominating or evaluating this article a good article. (See Wikipedia:Good article criteria)If it could be more clearer through a bit nitpicking, while I'm aware that you wrote this section, please overcome the feeling of being offended by an edit.

Also, when you state a reason for editting, 'it's an OK way to describe it' does not exactly clarify why you editted it, saying 'It's not this or that' doesn't explain why it is. Please state why instead. Please follow wp:horse.

And regarding the Matrix's relation to Neo, I added that for readers who haven't seen the movie too. Forget for a moment that we don't know what 'The Matrix' is about. When someone take a pill, if it comes from a bad person, you could end up being drugged and subjected to many bad things. This is true in real crimes. Please don't forget that some readers who've never seen the Matrix before can very well arrive at this conclusion. Stating that 'he wakes up some place else later' doesn't get rid of this possibility. So I stated that Neo's woken up from the silmulated reality for some readers' benefit. I did the same to 'reaching the exit' for a similar reason. That you think you have a better way to word it is fine, as I can see that you originally wrote it, but again, please overcome the feeling of being offended by an edit. Anthonydraco (talk) 10:02, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

I also want to inform you a bit before I edit again. 'The world that Neo has known since birth' could mean that Neo's been living somewhere else, but knows that world. I'm going to edit this to 'has been living in since birth.' I'm aware of two more additional word count, but I hope you can see that this provides dead clarity. He lives in there (the Matrix) his entire life. It could mean nothing else. (The word count I did last time was 660. Even with a few words add, there's room for more. And don't worry, I won't add wp:fancruft.)

Also, since you seem to know the reason of my edit and how I work now, I assume that we can work together without too much talking and explaining. I'd prefer not to annoy you with my explanations. Feel free to drop a message if you need to know more reasons aside from what I put in the reason box. Anthonydraco (talk) 13:41, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Paul McCartney FAC[edit]

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Sgt. Pepper straw poll[edit]

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Matrix Rotten Tomatoes[edit]

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Observer review[edit]

I agree with the last edit - I didn't mean to loose that bit when I did my edit, so sorry for the poor tweak! Cheers - SchroCat (^@) 21:36, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

The Matrix, red pills, blue pills, and such[edit]


Regarding red pills/blue pills description, your wording is fine grammatically, but it feels somehow leaned toward one side because you only describe blue pills. As it is, readers might ask "What the heck are red pills then?" Even if what happens after Neo takes the red pill is narrated later, I think it still doesn't answer this question very clearly. If you wanna describe only the red ones, there will be the same questions about the blues. So you'll end up needing to do both, which is excessive. I think this blue pills/red pills thing is very trivial. Non-fans will not understand its significance without watching the movie anyway, so I think we can just remove the details about the choosing or what they are altogether.

How about?

"Undeterred, Neo meets with Morpheus and proves that he wants to learn more by swallowing an offered red pill. Neo then abruptly wakes up in..." and so on?

I would like to ask your opinion as well. I know you didn't do the overhaul of the plot section (or did you?), but I'd like your input just the same.

Do you think "laws of physics" seem too excessive? I think physical laws read fine.

"Morpheus allows himself to be captured to let Neo and the crew escape." Do you think we should name Neo separately? Neo has been mentioned as a part of the group. Shouldn't we just skip his name?

Regarding "the humans' subterranean refuge" I think we should say "the humans' last refuge" here. We need least word to convey the importance. And the word subterranean, while cooler, doesn't convey the importance of Zion. Why is a subterranean refuge that important when there could be other refuge in the sky, etc. "The humans' LAST refuge" on the other hand...

And this paragraph: "In the Matrix, the Agents, led by Smith, interrogate Morpheus in an attempt to learn his access codes to the mainframe computer in Zion, the humans' subterranean refuge in the real world. Neo resolves to return to the Matrix and rescue Morpheus, and with Trinity's help he succeeds; in the process, Neo gains confidence in his ability to manipulate the Matrix."

"Neo resolves to return to the Matrix and rescue Morpheus, and with Trinity's help he succeeds." Do you think this part reads confusing? It could be read as if Neo succeeds in getting into the Matrix instead of suceeds in rescuing Morpheus.

Do you think we can just say "the Agents interrogate Morpheus..."? No need to mention that Smith leads him? It's inconsequential anyway. I would also prefer to add the word 'drug' too, as an interrogation might not sound as terrifying without drugging too. Otherwise, readers could ask, "It's just an interrogation. Why do you really need to rescue him?"

"Neo resolves to return to the Matrix and rescue Morpheus, and with Trinity's help he succeeds; in the process, Neo gains confidence in his ability to manipulate the Matrix." Here, I think we can just say "Neo returns to the Matrix with Trinty and rescues Morpheus." And I would hope we keep the dodging bullet part, since it's the only part in this plot section that say how important Neo is, and much better he has become. This entire story is about Neo, after all.

What do you think? Anthonydraco (talk) 06:51, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Are you the one who contributed on Production section of The Matrix article? If so, can you help summarize that in lead section too? I'm not sure I'm the best person to do so, since I didn't contribute in that section. If I do it, it's bound to be reworded anyway. Anthonydraco (talk) 03:00, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Also, I've started a little discussion regarding the Matrix' lede section. There are quite a wide variety of critiques the movie got, and it's hard to pin down their general direction and put that in the lede. You're invited to participate the discussion. Anthonydraco (talk) 10:22, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Would you mind replying some messages?[edit]

Dear Nick,

While I'm aware that you do not like me very much, could you please reply some of the messages asking for your opinion? It will make our colaboration much easier, especially in the Matrix article if we communicate more efficiently. In that article, there are practically only two of us now who know what we're doing. If you keep ignoring many of my messages, I don't think this project will go anywhere. I try to leave most things you've added to you, but there are things that I would like to edit too, but I do not know whether I should proceed because I do not know what you want or where you stand. Going ahead without informing you or waiting for your feedback won't make you like me more than you do now. I would prefer not to step on your feet for the good of the project, but I can't wait for your answers forever. I'm pretty certain that you've seen some of those messages, can you please reply some of them that require answers? This refers to the questions on the Matrix's talk page in particular. There are only two of us there now. I really want to work with you. Anthonydraco (talk) 18:48, 26 November 2012 (UTC)


Following the previous thread on the talk page, I've extensively re-worked the critical reception section of Skyfall along subject lines, so it now breaks down into the following paragraph structure: summary (RT, best Bond); the film; Craig; supporting cast; Mendes & Deakins; criticism. Does the section now look and feel better? - SchroCat (talk) 14:43, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Do you have The Matrix Revisited?[edit]

Sorry to bother you, but do you have a copy of this documentary? I would have reformatted the refs, and cited more from it, but I have never seen it, nor do I know where to find it. Can I leave this to you? I've seen some unformatted refs citing The Art of the Matrix. Since it's an actual book where I can find ISBN and such online, I'll fix refs about the book. Anthonydraco (talk) 05:26, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I have a copy of it, though it's been nearly 10 years since I last watched it in full. But since this recent burst of editing on the article took place over the last few weeks, I've intended to rewatch it in order to see if it mentions things that might be useful additions to the article - I just haven't found time for it yet!
If you want your own copy of the documentary, I don't know where you live (maybe you're somewhere that Region 1/2/4 DVDs aren't easily available?), but there are lots of ways to acquire it legally: it was originally a standalone DVD release, then re-released as a two-disc set with the film, then it appeared on The Ultimate Matrix Collection DVD/HDDVD/Blu-Ray. (However, as far as I know, it's omitted from the European The Matrix Trilogy Blu-Ray release.)
Something else that might be a very useful reference source for the article is this BFI Film Guide on the movie. I don't have my own copy of it and it's now vanished from my local library, but when I read it a few years ago I made some notes and copied out some quotations from it. Again, when I get time I'll dig them out and see what could be incorporated into the article. Sorry, I should have done that earlier - if I'd done that a few weeks ago, you might not have needed to do as much of that reference-seeking you've been doing recently! ;-) --Nick RTalk 16:12, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
I live in SE Asia, and I honestly don't think a documentary DVD like The Matrix Revisted is interesting enough to be available in my country. Sorry. I'm afraid I'll have to leave that ref and other physical refs to you. My country don't have an English library and the English books available definitely won't include entertainment magazines. I'm done adding more sources and expanding Legacy section for tonight. Thank you for your patience, and sorry for whatever the edit conflicts I might have caused. I still have more to add on Influence section, but I have to sleep some time. #_# Anthonydraco (talk) 21:24, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
P.S. I've started another discussion on the new section/layout of the article. I'm considering breaking the Production section down a bit. Your opinion is appreciated. Anthonydraco (talk) 07:20, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
P.S.2 I've found another reference for The Matrix production design. I can't find a digital version of it at the moment. Could you, by any chance, look for this essay when you go to the library? "The Matrix as a Neo Noir - An Analysis of The Matrix with Special Focus on Style and Motifs of Film Noir" by Monique Bre. [1] You can glean something from the sample pages. It contains a lot info about the color emphasis, like red pill/ blue pill, and covers things the production design. Anthonydraco (talk) 08:21, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Have I caused edit conflicts?[edit]

If so, sorry. I think I should say it. I've been editing alone for days, and I thought I had the article to myself. If you start editing, and see me doing it a few mins before, can drop me a word? I'll leave it to you. Or maybe you can use Wait template. Anthonydraco (talk) 12:37, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Citation style in The Matrix article[edit]

Which should we go for? There are only two of us now, so I'll just ask you. An admin suggested that it should all be in one style, and currently we have Style 1 most. Online sources without authors will be too hard to reformatted into SFN style, and I must say it's too complicated for me. I couldn't even get the Reference to link to Bibliography. Do you agree that we should go for inline long citation using the usual citation templates? Anthonydraco (talk) 06:54, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Do you think we've done enough? I'm pushing it for GA nomination soon.[edit]

Topic. Right now, we've pretty much done everything on the to-do list except reformatted citations. The new materials from The Matrix Revisited have expanded short sections to considerable length. At least, they are not pitifully short anymore. I can't find some references, however, for the life of me. But even without the materials tagged as "citation need", we still have considerable amount to offer. Do you have any parts you still want to expand? If not, there doesn't seem to be much else that needs doing anymore. After I reformatted the references, I'll go ask the Language Guild to review our English and then I'll submit this to GA nomination. Is this fine to you? I think I should you ask first. Anthonydraco (talk) 12:52, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

From your recent edits, I take it you've managed to find a copy of The Matrix Revisited after all?
I don't think the article is quite ready just yet - there are still some bits that need to be improved. I'm not sure when I'll get round to it, but I'd still like to check over the article to see which bits might need to be reworded in order to avoid quoting certain sources (e.g. the several Wired articles) word-for-word. I'd also like to re-watch The Matrix Revisted myself to see if any of the descriptions of the production could be improved or condensed (e.g. I'm not sure that so much of the Filming section needs to explicitly state the order in which scenes were shot; it may be enough to simply say "the scenes set in the Matrix were shot before those set in the real world"). I also think that the second part of the Legacy section's second paragraph (after the mention of Conker's Bad Fur Day) needs some improvement, as well as a few other bits. --Nick RTalk 13:09, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
DW Blake sent me the link. It was hosted somewhere on the tube. I'm not a native speaker, so it might worth rechecking to see whether there's information I misheard. You may be right that it some thing might need to be cut for the reason you said, and also to prevent "This review rely too much on a single source" tag. I would like to ask you not to cut so much though, because I would prefer to have meat to present the reviewers, and honestly, I regret seeing it go after all the work. Besides, Skyfall or The Dark Knight do something similar, though maybe to a lesser extent.
Also, you might be interested that I've requested help from the Language Guild, and the article is in the waiting queue. I also wrote to Powerhouse Museum's curator and requested her to check where they got the information from, and just today I've got a response saying they'll look into it and reply in one or two days. I've also specifically requested that they tag on the page which pieces of info they got from us and which they got info from other sources, so we can cite some statements safely. (The latter is clearly what they wanted anyway, since they provided us with the Wiki mark-ups on the page in the first place. The mark-up even gave us permalinks!) I'll post the correspondence (minus the email addresses) when I get the final result.
That said, we could use some pics. What do you think would work? I'm thinking maybe a pic to demonstrate "grid+the Matrix" and "real world" difference? Or maybe pics for VFX like coded hallway or Sentinels, or chopper exploding+ripples? Anthonydraco (talk) 13:36, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Any last bits to add before The Matrix's GA nomination?[edit]

Nick, the copy-editor from the Language Guild has come to do his work on The Matrix article and gone. I assume that since you haven't touched it for about a month, you don't have anything to add for now? If so, I'm going to nominate this to GA. Is this fine? If you have any last bit to add, kindly do so. I'll wait for about half a month. Anthonydraco (talk) 06:39, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

I've got rid of close paraphrasing on The Matrix article.[edit]

Dear Nick, I apologize for yet another message on your talk page. I've got rid of the close paraphrasing on The Matrix article as the copy-editor asked, and what we quote from the article now seems within reason. You once mention that you want to work on the filming section to avoid listing filming scene by scene. I was the person who added the materials in that section, so I'm willing to admit that I am not the most subjective person to do the cutting/rewriting, as I will regret to part with something in that section, so would you like to do it? This is the very last thing I've been waiting for. I honestly looking forward to it, and I can promise you that once I see you being active on it, I will not touch that section until you inform me that it's done. (Or whatever you want, to make it easier for you.) Right now, the article has no significant change aside from the usual Lana/Larry issue, and has been like that for quite some time. At this rate, with all the waiting and hesitating, it won't be a GA. So we should do something now. Or if you don't want to do something, maybe I'll just try our luck and nominate it GA. Trying and failing is better than letting it be, IMO. How does that sound? Anthonydraco (talk) 02:53, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Please join us in the endless discussion of Larry/Lana identity[edit]

Hi, Nick, I know we all old editors are sick of this. There are revisionists who insist on starting a discussion and choose to use the over-sensitive, political, and intentional inaccuracy of naming a director of The Matrix "Lana". It's been done million times, I know, but it seems there's a million and first time. -_-

It started on The Matrix talk page. Join us and help us preserve historical accuracy over touchy political sensitivity here: Anthonydraco (talk) 23:14, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Revived interest in the film Infernal Affairs[edit]

Invitation to participate in the poll for Infernal Affairs.

From your edits for the film Infernal Affairs there is presently a poll taking place on The Departed film Talk page regarding whether you believe a separate subsection should be included for (a) Infernal Affairs as a source for the plot of The Departed film, and/or (b) a second subsection for the recently captured crime figure Whitey Bulger as the source for the character played by Jack Nicholson in the film.

The recent capture of Bulger has revived the question from two years ago of Infernal Affairs from when it did have a separate subsection on The Departed film page which was deleted by User:RepublicanJ, now known as User:OldJ. Invite to visit The Departed Talk page, to the Bulger section at the end of the Page, to participate in the Poll currently taking place. (talk) 11:33, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

The Matrix, again[edit]

Hey Nick! Your work on The Matrix is great. I've read the whole article and am generally satisfied with it. What would it take to make the article a good one? I saw that the article once received a peer review but doesn't seem to be relevant any more. I just love the film and would love to see it achieve good article status. Maybe we could cooperate on improving the article. What do you say? What do you think should be changed for a start? Nataev talk 14:02, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

I just noticed that you and Anthonydraco have already discussed nominating the article to GA status. Why did you stop? I'm sorry if I'm asking too many questions. It's just I have never edited the artice. Now really want to get involved. It looks like the citations in the article still need to be polished. Do you think we could improve them by using the citation templates? I am good at using those templates. Nataev talk 14:17, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
There's another peer review given recently. There should be two links to peer reviews. Check the other one. That's the one I asked for. Also check the to-do list. Things has stopped because the interest in this article come in phases. Nick R is the first major contribuitors and has been contributing throughout, but his effort has thinned down somewhat. When I first considered seriously taking it to GA, I contributed about 1/3 of the additional contents I've seen in the article. Things became very active here, but I was pretty sure I was annoying people with my hyperactivity and constant questions, so I stopped. Besides, without a more experienced contributors, I don't know the right direction or who I can really discuss it with. I also have problems cutting the contents I add because working with it long enough made me lost my objective eye. Major problems are close paraphrasing. Too much things almost quoted word-for-word from sources and need to be rephrased. The reception section needs to be categorized and tidied up. Development section list things almost scene by scene and needs to be redone. If you want to join, then I will appreciate help.
That said, I've been adding and reformatting the citations and adding templates to them uniformly. What do you think needs changing? And are you willing to do it? I must warn you, though, it's quite tedious. Anthonydraco (talk) 19:17, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for responding! Let's take the discussion to the article's talk page. I really want to get involved. Let's work together. For a start I will take a look at the most recent peer review. I will also try to paraphrase what I can. I guess I can paraphrase only what has beeen copied from online sources as I don't have access to any of the books cited in the article. Nataev talk 05:28, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Lana/Larry issue again.[edit]

You guess it. It's the same trouble on the Matrix article. I might need a bit of your help convincing people there. Anthonydraco (talk) 14:59, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

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