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June 6

NEW NOMINATIONS

Category:Invasive species by country

Category:Invasive species by country - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: This category has three lists of invasive species. If we were to use it as a parent category for something like Category:Invasive plant species by country, Category:Invasive fungus species by country, and Category:Invasive animal species by country, create categories for each country, and split Category:Invasive animal species, Category:Invasive fungus species, and Category:Invasive plant species it would be overcategorization. Pzrmd (talk) 21:21, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Priddy family (Sierra Leone)

Category:Priddy family (Sierra Leone) - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Only article in category has the same title as the category and is a 2 line stub. Don't see how this category could ever expand. (Created April 09) thisisace (talk) 20:46, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Popes by nationality categories

Category:Dutch popes - Template:Lc1
Category:African popes - Template:Lc1
Category:English popes - Template:Lc1
Category:Polish popes - Template:Lc1
Category:Portuguese popes - Template:Lc1
Category:Spanish popes - Template:Lc1
Category:Syrian popes - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: Delete. These categories, all of which exclusively deal with popes of the Roman Catholic church, are all both underpopulated, having only a very few articles in them, and basically redundant to the List of Roman Catholic popes by nationality. In each case, use of other existing categories would keep the articles in each of the same field of categories, while eliminating the need for these categories which have no realistic opportunity of getting particularly larger in our lifetimes. John Carter (talk) 20:33, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Per previous discussions. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:56, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep to have the complete of such subcats in Category:Popes by nationality and in as means to navigate to the articles via a common characteristic. Lists and categories of same subject area can and do both exist and are allowed in WP. But, might they be better for this purpose if they were renamed in the style 'fooian Roman Catholic popes' and the parent category renamed Category:Roman Catholic popes by nationality Hmains (talk) 21:19, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note - I would only add that each of the categories included has, at most, six individual popes listed. Also, as each of these individuals can be and I believe is at least potentially included in one or more Roman Catholic clergy categories, simply including them in "Fooian Roman Catholic clergy" and "Popes" would achieve the same purposes. Also, the existing group of categories is itself not necessarily complete. John Carter (talk) 21:23, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People executed in effigie for treason against Poland

Propose renaming Category:People executed in effigie for treason against Poland to Category:People executed in effigy for treason against Poland
Nominator's rationale: it's spelled "effigy" not "effigie" Beeblebrox (talk) 18:32, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Runestones in North America

Category:Runestones in North America - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: The category makes it appear that Wikipedia is saying that there are acknowledged runestones in North America, and outside of Greenland there are none. Dougweller (talk) 17:23, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Katsuhide Motoki films

Propose renaming Category:Katsuhide Motoki films to Category:Films directed by Katsuhide Motoki
Nominator's rationale: Per the naming convention for other sub-categories in Category:Films by director. Lugnuts (talk) 15:03, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sang-il Lee films

Propose renaming Category:Sang-il Lee films to Category:Films directed by Sang-il Lee
Nominator's rationale: Per the naming convention for other sub-categories in Category:Films by director. Lugnuts (talk) 15:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Zimbabwean billionaires

Category:Zimbabwean billionaires - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: This category does not mean anything.

Zimbabwean billionaires? In what currency? In Zim$ then everybody in that country is a billionaire. In South African Rands? Maybe In US$, probably not. In Euro, probably not. FFMG (talk) 13:09, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Jewish fraudsters

Category:Jewish fraudsters - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: Without opining on the legitimacy of the other Category:Fraudsters by nationality, I would point out that this one is not a nationality, and is fundamentally racist. There is no category for other races or religions, nor ought there to be. Someone WP:BOLDer than me could nominate this for speedy as an attack page. Bongomatic 12:45, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I agree the categorization is out of step with the remaining categories in the Fraudsters by nationality breakdown and have said as much here. --ponyo (talk) 15:35, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment' although "Jewish" is not a nationality but rather an ethnicity, we do have a few "Occupation by ethnicity" categories. Debresser (talk) 18:43, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete As we all so far agree, Jewish is not a nationality. I also note a tendency with religious categories, particularly anything to do with Jews, to put people in categories no matter what religion they say they profess, but that's a side issue. As for the occupation categories, don't we have guidelines for such intersections? Dougweller (talk) 19:15, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment I just found this edit [1] - I'm a bit concerned about the editor, and I note that at least one other editor has noted similar concerns on his talk page.[2]
  • Delete – is 'fraudster' an occupation? I would agree that User:Beganlocal, who created the category, appears to have an agenda, assisted by user:94.193.244.105. Occuli (talk) 20:22, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment I agree that creating a category to highlight a particular ethnicity when connected with fraud appears to be racist. However we have several occupation by ethnicity etc categories as mentioned above. Also, as we agree that Jewish is not a nationality, can we also agree that African-American is not a nationality and update those categories to jut American? Would we object to categories such as Jewish writers, Jewish politicians, American white collar criminals, etc? Also agree that BeganLogal has an anti NPOV agenda, but that doesn't invalidate arguments in favour of keeping the page by itself. The interesting issue here is that Jews are an ethnicity as well as a race, so it isn't quite the same as "Catholic fraudsters" - I think it may be relevant to some fraudsters to include in a category, the same as we may have "Jewish bankers", "Jewish writers", etc. If fraudster is not an occupation, why categories such as "American (Fraudster| money launderer | perjurer)"?

Category:Surnames by country

Nominator's rationale: Delete. Another recent creation. See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 May 28#Category:Fooian names for related debate.
Many were created during the debate, often after it became obvious the Fooian names were being deleted. In effect, many are a recreation of deleted material.
--William Allen Simpson (talk) 08:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep These are informative lists based on a logically way to break up Category:Surnames (And this tree in fact is not a recreation of any kind as about half of this list has been around long before last week.) Mayumashu (talk) 09:34, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all - names are not and cannot be bounded by language, ethnicity, culture or heritage in any meaningful way. As soon as one Fooian person is given or adopts a name, it becomes a "Fooian name". This simply doesn't work as a categorization scheme. Otto4711 (talk) 11:32, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all, agree that this is totally unworkable and undefinable. How to classify surnames I don't know but this is an impossible way of doing it. Drawn Some (talk) 12:21, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all – I doubt if there is any useful way of subcatting Category:Surnames. It is not of interest to know whether a Smith (say) has ever been resident in Luxemborg (say). Category:English surnames - "This page lists surnames found amongst English people, both traditionally and contemporarily"; and yet there are only 900 of them. It's an impossible task. Occuli (talk) 13:40, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I have been thinking about this. The only reasonable way to subcategorize all surnames is by alphabetical order.Drawn Some (talk) 14:01, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alternative proposal rename to Category:Surnames originating in .... The fact remains that surnames are usually originated in certain areas. All of us surely associate "O'Connor" with Ireland, etc. Since there are so many surnames, surely this is the most logical division of Category:Surnames. Debresser (talk) 18:37, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • But then we have the issue of the source of the name which can not be well documented in a category. Maybe in a list, but not a category. What country is the source of a name from the Slavic regions? Is it Poland, Russia? What about a Polish name that was created to appear as a Russian name? The you have the issue of Bosnia and Herzegovina surnames, actually the contents there are rather interesting. Why are they combined? Are we saying that over history, these are in fact all of the same origin? The more you look the more questions and problems. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:07, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People in the history of Worcestershire

Propose renaming Category:People in the history of Worcestershire to Category:People in Worcestershire history
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Match others in Category:People in English history by location.
--William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:58, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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