Talk:T-Pain

Common confusions of vocal effects

Actually,

an envelope follower has nothing to do with pitch in music technology. "Envelope follower", not to be confused with "pitch envelope", as its name says follows envelope. In audio and music engineering, envelope is the amplitude information. (see ADSR envelope) Envelope followers are used in vocoders to extract amplitude information of a particular frequency band. However, it is just one component out of many which are needed for the modulation process. Modulation (found mostly in vocoders) is different from pitch correction. T-Pain uses Pitch Correction. (pitch correction software/hardware i.e pitch (as in frequency not amplitude)follower and corrector)The most used pitch correction software tools are Antares Autotune and Avox, Celemony Melodyne, Serrato Pitch'n'time, Waves Tunes etc.. The realtime software analyzes the pitch information contained in the human voice(live or recorded). Then, according to the user's harmonic scale settings or notes that the user hits on a keyboard, the pitch is corrected thus creating a corrected version of the original vocal line. It is also possible to control vibrato and formant of the resulting voice to a certain degree. The application was originally used to subtly correct pitch in faulty background vocals and occasionally lead vocals . With extreme settings you can achieve pseudo-robotic effects such as T-Pain vocals. A hardware version of Autotune, the AVP also by ala produces the same results. A good old example of extreme pitch correction effect use was the song by Cher "Believe". Without extreme settings, the effect is unnoticeable especially on long held notes. This is due to the fact that if you sing in tune, Autotune disregard the correct pitch. However, to accentuate the effect some artist sing a bit out of tune or the vocals are recorded in perfect pitch then set out of tune on purpose before running it through say Autotune or any other pitch correction software or hardware.

Also, it is not:

1. A vocoder, which requires an input carrier(example: synth) and a modulator(example: human) voice.See Transformers, Kraftwerk, Herbie Hancock.

2. A talkbox, with is a horn driver connect to a tube which is placed in the mouth. A guitar or a synth can be connected to the talkbox. The notes played resonnate in the throat. Intelligibility is achieved by shaping the mouth and lips. See Roger Troutman and Zapp (band), Peter Frampton, Joe Walsh, Teddy Riley (producer).

All three effects are differents. Though their resulting sounds may be similar to an untrained ear, they do differ.

Often artists (including T-pain himself), producers, musicians and just unaware people call any effect that produces a semi-robotic voice a vocoder. However, it is incorrect. I say semi-robotic because robotic voices would be something like Herbie Hancock's "Rockit" or Afrika Bambaataa's "Planet Rock (song)" (borrowed from Kraftwerk) which were accomplished using vocoders.beatnframes10 August 2007

In an article published in Sound On Sound the engineer on Cher's "Believe" said that the effect was a vocoder that was cut in on certain syllables. To the untrained ear it may sound like the Antares offerings, I suppose. Your comment is an interesting read but you really provide no concrete evidence that the T=Pain effect is auto-tune versus a vocoder. Eli lilly (talk) 01:13, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

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I am not sure what article you are reading but the one I have in front of my eyes reads: "...The focus of what has turned from a purely technical pursuit into an ethical debate — one that's played out on the pages of general-interest media as well as in the audio trades — is not so much the digital audio workstation as it is the third-party plug-in from Antares Audio Technologies, Auto-Tune. The device — which had a parallel hardware version used live by Cher ". This can be found at http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct03/articles/vocalfixes.htm Also here : http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb99/articles/tracks661.htm you'll find this disclaimer: "STOP PRESS! Historical Footnote

Cher's 'Believe' (Dec 1998) was the first commercial recording to feature the audible side-effects of Antares Auto-tune software used as a deliberate creative effect. The (now) highly recognisable tonal mangling occurs when the pitch correction speed is set too fast for the audio that it is processing and it became one of the most over-used production effects of the following years.

In February 1999, when this Sound On Sound article was published, the producers of this recording were apparently so keen to maintain their 'trade secret' process that they were willing to attribute the effect to the (then) recently-released Digitech Talker vocoder pedal. As most people are now all-too familiar with the 'Cher effect', as it became known, we have maintained the article in its original form as an interesting historical footnote."

I hope that clarifies the whole Cher's vocoder myth. It is not a vocoder and has always been Autotune. Keep in mind a lot of producers and artists do not divulge the exact name of the tool they used to achieve a coveted sound.Which is quite understandable. It won't be too long until we find out T-Pain's exact pitch correction tool name.It doesn't matter whether it is Autotune or Melodyne. It's still pitch correction not vocoding. beatnframes18 November 2007

Never mind my last comment, here's T-Pain himself talking about Autotune. http://www.missinfo.tv/?p=240 (pardon the language on that site but the audio clip is all you need) This was on the Angie Martinez show. In short, he explains how people at first used to make fun of him for using Autotune, and now rappers are biting his style by using it on their records. Can't be more concrete than that. beatnframes18 November 2007

Removed unsourced info

Rumored to have AIDs —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.247.96.234 (talk) 01:25, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

The following has been removed per Wikipedia guidelines for biographies.

T-Pain has collaborated with other known producers for Britney Spears' upcoming album, due in 2007

T-Pain appeared on a SOHH.com interview where he described Ray J's penis as "a huge meat." He then followed the awkward conversation with a "no homo," so his sexuality is almost saved.

If someone can source this information, it would be appreciated.

http://www.freshflixx.com/channel/sohh-tv/index.php?bcpid=376530222&bclid=440748065&bctid=932505959 hows that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.20.202.239 (talk) 05:19, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. RJaguar3 | u | t 18:10, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Picture

You can barely see T-Pain in the current picture. I think a close up picture would be more appropriate as to identifying who T-Pain is.

Musicaldemon 17:35, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Oakleys?

He has a signature pair of sunglasses that oakley carries avaible june 30th

Most Ringtones in History

T-Pain has sold over 15 millon ringtones most in history. Check this Site http://realtalkny.rawkus.com/2008/06/topic/topic/music/t-pain-silver-gold/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.134.245.79 (talk) 05:06, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

picture

Here is a picture of T-pain <a href="http://s233.photobucket.com/albums/ee6/miss_loveable_444/?action=view&current=T-PAIN.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee6/miss_loveable_444/T-PAIN.jpg" border="0" alt="t pain"></a>

Epiphany?

T-pain had some help with a close rapper in okeechobee, Fl. name dyllyn heasley he helped t-pain make this album t-apin wants to give a big thanks to dyllyn —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.139.118.253 (talk) 17:00, 12 December 2008 (UTC) It says that Buy You A Drank was produced to be put on his new album Church. This is clearly a mistake scince Buy You A Drank and Church are singles on Epiphany. CLEAN UP PLEASE!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr.Tic Tac Toe 350 degreez (talk • contribs) 18:34, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

BET Awards

he was nomaited for veiwers choice at the BET awards for kiss kiss feat. T-pain —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.134.245.79 (talk) 08:23, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

CLeanup

I tried to clean this article up a bit

singles

The singles and featured singles are missing 3 song. 1 Can't believe it, 2 Beam me up, 3 I ain't mad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.60.185.152 (talk) 15:19, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I think the article can explain a bit more about his singing abilities producing skills and writing skills a bit more, its not fair that untalented artists like Rihanna are recieving more recognition on there page for flopping crap.

Vandalism

This page needs semi-protection, because too many vandals are ruining it. Blackjays1 (talk) 05:49, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

true  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Steogden (talk • contribs) 12:35, 5 October 2008 (UTC) 

do also known as again

i thought it was cool when you had t-pains other names like teddy pain teddy verseti etc...

cheers ste.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Steogden (talk • contribs) 12:31, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Would be happy if somebody would make a Site for Nappy Boy Entertaiment Like Young Cash or Tay Dizm Jay Liriq —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.177.77.246 (talk) 18:11, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

t-pain isn't hip hop

He sings, he doesn't rap, therefore he is not a hip hop artist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.7.183 (talk) 20:52, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

T-Pain has actually done rap roles on singles "Shawty Get Loose" by Lil Mama and "Kiss Kiss" by Chris Brown, as a couple examples. He also used to rap for the group Nappy Headz.--Andrewlp1991 (talk) 22:32, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Circus thing

Have we even atempted to explain T Pain's facination with circuses? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.108.89 (talk) 23:45, 9 December 2008 (UTC) its not a facination its because T-Pain is the ringleader of this music industry Ringleader = T-Pain —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.239.11.137 (talk) 20:42, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Future Work

he also said he wants to work with daft punk. and its more of a rock feel. the album is also rumoured a re-release of thr33 ringz. just with brand new tracks. like the myth of tha carter iii: the rebirth —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.143.196.26 (talk) 03:51, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Personal life

T-Pain is married to amber najm and have to have 2 children ,he's wife is also pregnant with the third. T-pains children are called lyrik and musik. When asked what he'd call the others he has said either harmony or symphoney. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.239.11.137 (talk) 20:29, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

I want to edit this page Thank you

{{editsemiprotected}} — Preceding unsigned comment added by MahePain (talk • contribs) 19:58, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

The template you used was to request specific changes to the page; requests for unprotection should be made at WP:RUP, although when you have made more edits on Wikipedia, and your account has been registered long enough (the requirement is only a few days) you should be able to edit the article. If there is something specific you think should be changed before you are able to edit the page, you can still request it here using the {{editsemiprotected}} template. —Snigbrook 20:36, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Birth

The introduction lists his birth as 1985, but this biography is classified in the category 1984 Births...

-Anon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.68.250.161 (talk) 07:50, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I've adjusted the category accordingly. — Σxplicit 19:30, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Apple Bottom Jeans

I heard that T-pain is known for his apple bottom jeans, and boots with the fur. Is there a reason this is not reflected on the page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.251.248.16 (talk) 12:03, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Music in 2009

T-Pain just this year was featured in a song with Jamie Foxx titled Blame It the video was number one on numerous video shows such as BET 106 and Park and VH1's Sucker Free Countdown the video also featured such actors as Samuel Jackson, Forest Whitaker and many more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.29.64.120 (talk) 14:22, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

feat. T-Pain

Can we legitimately change the name of this page to "Wikipedia, featuring T-Pain"? That's basically what his career is.

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The Hemogoblin (talk) 17:23, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Haha. Funny. This is an encyclopedia, not an open mic comedy night. Elfred (talk) 02:00, 8 June 2009 (UTC)