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Removal of wrestlers from Belt Design

If you view footage from Chris Jericho's most recent title reign onwards you will see that the World Title has undergone a slight cosmetic change. The wrestlers that use to be included as ornamental design pieces have been removed and are no longer visible on the center plate or side plates. The images on WWE.com also confirm this though not many images of the belt close-up exist. As such I feel the article needs to updated to reflect this change and a new photograph included on the main page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.11.155.144 (talk) 00:46, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WCW title

one of the references (http://www.wwe.com/superstars/raw/tripleh/tentimestheking/reign6match/) is now a dead link 72.200.156.118 (talk) 16:46, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The World Heavyweight Championship that has recently been carried by such greats as Batista and Triple H got its start in WWE back in 2002. But its prestigious lineage can actually be traced back all the way to George Hackenschmidt and 1904. For years, it was known as the NWA Championship; then when WCW pulled out of the NWA in the early 1990s, Ric Flair was recognized as the first-ever WCW Champion. Since that time, top names such as Hulk Hogan, Ron Simmons and Bret Hart carried the championship prior to WCW's demise.

so says the WCW title page now, also under WWE's WHC page, it has "historical photo" of old NWA & WCW champions. looks like it now carries the same lineage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.86.247.87 (talk) 03:14, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please take a look at the archives. This has been brought up time and time again and has been clarified just as many times as well. -- bulletproof 3:16 03:38, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not trying to rekindle an old discussion. It could very well be nothing than just a slip of the tongue. I just wonder why JR, Jerry Lawler, and Triple H refers to himself as an 11 time WWE Champion. I can understand a slip of the tongue a couple of times, but they keep saying over and over. On last night's edition of Raw, for example, both Lawler and JR said the same thing at least once each. It makes me wonder if they're now going to try to say that those 5 reigns with the World Championship are going to be consolidated with the 6 WWE Championship reigns to call him an 11 time WWE Champion. I might be paranoid, but I think of the times that WWE has rewritten history, regardless of how piss poor and senseless it is, to reflect a certain view for a storyline. Sounds like something that they'd do.Odin's Beard (talk) 23:26, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Triple H is in fact now a 12 time World Champion. 7 times with the WWE Championship and 5 times with the World Heavyweight. They are equivalent in prestige and so the title reigns are added together. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.208.18 (talk) 22:33, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

THey may be "equal in prestige" but JR still constanly says "an 12-time WWE Champion." Triple H calls himself that too. Can't they just say "12 time world champion?" They say "5 time world champion" when talking about Edge. I agree with Odin's Beard, it sometimes seems like they attempt to retcon the shit of things for no reason. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 20:01, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
They add the world title reigns together and mean that say HHH is a 12 time world champion, but when a championship is involved they often slip up and say 12 time WWE champion 92.238.202.23 (talk) 19:44, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Stripped

I was just at the show in Atlantic City tonight, and Vickie stripped Taker of the belt. Do we update this now or when it airs? Linknumbers (talk) 03:54, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, until it airs in Australia. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 03:54, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
So it actually happened? So much for that much-deserved long-term reign everyone thought he would get. But ThinkBlue is right, we have to wait until it airs. -- Scorpion0422 04:02, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, we wait until it airs in America tomorrow night, not Australia.Killswitch Engage (talk) 16:19, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No, consensus was made that it was Australia. SexySeaShark 16:48, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Correct, Australia is where it airs first, so thats when we're allowed to post it up, I understand.--76.104.252.229 (talk) 17:33, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not being allowed to update this page until Smackdown airs somewhere is all bollocks. This is an encyclopedia, it's job is to report fact. And the fact is that Undertaker is no longer World Heavyweight Champion. Doesn't matter when it airs, fact is fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.208.18 (talk) 22:30, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But fact must be backed up by a reliable source to be established as fact! By your logic, I could come up with a convincing untrue statement and edit it in without a source. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 22:43, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Then use a reliable source. There are many websites out there that provide the reliable source so we can update this page. www.gerweck.net and www.wrestlingrevealed.com will both confirm that Vicki Guerrero stripped the Undertaker of the World Title. There's your reliable source now can someone please update this page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.184.35 (talk) 13:18, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Both of those sources are NOT reliable per, WP:RS. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 14:26, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, why Australia? WWE is an American company. And posting it before airs in America would violate the spoiler policy, because the results wouldn't be up on WWE.com.Killswitch Engage (talk) 16:07, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There is no spoiler policy. That was abolished months ago! Gavyn Sykes (talk) 16:30, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Holy shit, I'm way out of the loop. But wouldn't that mean I could use a spoiler report off of lordsofpain.net? Killswitch Engage (talk) 18:44, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No, since lordsofpain isn't a reliable source. A match can be added with a reliable source even i it is a spoiler. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 18:50, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How is it not reliable? Unless the person reporting is lying, I don't get it.Killswitch Engage (talk) 18:53, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Dirtsheets are not reliable sources. WON and WWE.com are reliable. Pretty much anything else isn't. In other words, you can't remove something because it's a spoiler, but you can remove it because there's no RS. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 18:55, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What is with all of this fannying around. Will someone who has access to this page please update it? The fact is that Undertaker is no longer World Champion and you are mocking the idea of an encyclopedia. We allno the truth, we know it's not a lie and of course dirtsheets are reliable sources. Now will you all pull your head out of your arses and get on with it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DannyChaos23 (talk • contribs) 22:08, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, dirtsheets, are not reliable sources, per WP:PW and WP:RS. If you wish to present reasoning that dirtsheets ARE reliable sources, feel free to start a discussion here. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 22:13, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I still remember back in 1999 when several of these dirtsheets claimed that Jake The Snake Roberts returned to WWE and joined Undertaker's ministry by attacking Austin and Big Show on a taped episode of RAW. Turned out to be total bullocks. That is one example why dirtsheets are not to be taken as reliable sources, they tend to spread lies sometimes. 71.121.72.15 (talk) 15:48, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Let's also remember back in 1990 when The Rockers beat the Hart Foundation for the World Tag Team Titles during a taping of Saturday Night's Main Event. That match ended up being left off of the broadcast, and the title change was never acknowledged. In my opinion, title changes shouldn't be added to Wikipedia until they air on television. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.145.146.137 (talk) 07:53, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

World Heavyweight Championship (WWE)

Resolved

- The article was not renamed--SRX 15:17, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Who supports a move to WWE World Heavyweight Championship? -- iMatthew T.C. 22:17, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it ever was, if we are talking about the big gold belt, it was brought in post-May 2002. Darrenhusted (talk) 08:14, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Except that that's not it's name. It's name is simply "World Heavyweight Championship. It was never called the "WWE World Heavyweight Championship. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 20:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but that is the "literal" name for it. Look at the article, if that articles were to ever go to a GA review or FA review (hypothetically) they would notice, why isn't World Heavyweight Championship (WWE) written anywhere else in the article? This is also sort of like a quantifier for the championship because so many championships out there use it's name. --SRX--LatinoHeat 21:04, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's for disamg purposes. Notice in Get Smart (film) that the "(film)" part isn't repeated. Since when did the article title have to be exactly copied in the article. Mshake3 (talk) 15:04, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It IS a quantifier and I realize I sound like a hypocrite for opposing a move for this and opposing moves to other quantifiers but I feel like the quantifier is the better option in this case. I would support a move to something without a quantifier if it's not "WWE World Heavyweight Championship." Gavyn Sykes (talk) 21:08, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This probably doesn't mean much but that's the way it is referred to as there. here as well The Sun is also using that name. Also, another reason, who owns the copyrights to all titles in WWE, World Wrestling Entertainment, Inc. Why do all of them have the WWE logo on them? Because they are owned by WWE, which is why every title begins with the WWE acronym, WWE doesn't say the "WWE World Tag Team Champions or the WWE World Heavyweight Champion because of storyline purposes to distinguish the titles of each brand.SRX--LatinoHeat 22:57, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Also, the NWA refers to it as the "WWE World Championship", per CM Punk winning, [1] (This is from 7/10/08)--SRX--LatinoHeat 15:50, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Who's gives a shit about the NWA and they call another company's championship? Mshake3 (talk) 00:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, thats what I get for not reading it. But you see how the WWE Championship is incorrectly called that, thats not it's name, the WHC is the WWE WHC.SRX 21:15, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Before the company changed its name, the WWE Championship was referred to as both the WWF Championship and the WWF World Heavyweight Championship. Given the name change, WWE World Heavyweight Championship logically succeeds to have the same meaning as WWE Championship whereas the World Heavyweight Championship (WWE) has never been called the WWE World Heavyweight Championship. Tony2Times (talk) 19:04, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • That is true, but too many titles have world heavyweight championship in their name, and all of them are referred to it with the {acronym} World Heavyweight Championship. If we are going to keep it like this, we may as well rename the rest of the articles to quantifiers.SRX 19:08, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - This has nothing to do with what is the "proper" term. It has to do with how the company promotes it. If WWE doesn't want it's initials in front of this championship name, who are we to say otherwise? It's similar to how numerous indy feds will use the term "World Champion" for their top title, even though they're not a recognized world championship among fans and magazines. We leave the title name as it because that's what it is called. Mshake3 (talk) 00:59, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Same reasons as Mshake3. Articles of this type should reflect the name of the championship as its named by the promotion that owns it. World Wrestling Entertainment calls it the World Heavyweight Championship, so that's what the title of the article should be. It's logical and it's simple.Odin's Beard (talk) 01:11, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Gavyn and Mshake. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 06:17, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done--SRX 15:17, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Approach for Championship Scramble...

How will we do this? List who comes out on top at the end and then mention how many times the title changed hands in the match? Because I think that matters since every time someone is pinned they are recognized as World Champion for that brief period and while they may or not be champion at the end there were title changes in that period. SuperSonicTH (talk) 02:43, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just how many times the title changed hands because the people who pin during the time limit are unofficial champions and only the

guy who comes out last is the real official champion. The note section will be enough. I doubt the belt will change more than 3 times.--WillC 03:27, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Belt design replaced?

Do you really have to say the design was "replaced"? The belts are near identical, except for the wwe logo..

But the plates themselves were changed, not altered, so in actuality it was replaced, and im sure someone like Ric Flair has the original design. 92.238.202.23 (talk) 19:48, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Rock

Shouldn't The Rock be known for the first World Heavyweight Champion? Does anyone not remember when the Alliance lost at Survivor Series '01 The Rock still held before then the WCW Championship, but after SS it was referred as the World Heavyweight Champion until it was merged with the WWF Championship at Vengeance '01. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Killa Koz (talk • contribs) 04:25, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is not the same belt as the WCW Championship. WWE even says they are two different belts.--WillC 04:27, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I know it's not the same, I'm stating that it was referred as the World Championship when The Rock had it, thus making him the first. Killa Koz (talk) 18:24, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No it doesn't. If the belts aren't the same, no matter what it was called he is not the first since the belt was not created till late 2002. Plus all championships over history are called World Championship.--WillC 19:01, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why was the page design changed?

There's no more "Current Champion" section? SuperSonicTH (talk) 03:42, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's under the "Reigns" section, because the current champion is the wrestler with the current reign as World Heavyweight Champion. The page design was changed for Good article nomination purposes (WP:GAN).--Truco 03:47, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Name Change Suggestion... Again

At the following link, they refer to the title as the WWE World Heavyweight Title.
http://corporate.wwe.com/news/2004/2004_10_05.jsp
On the same page, they refer to the Intercontinental Title as the WWE Intercontinental Title. On the title history page of the WWE website, they refer to both titles without the WWE prefix.
http://www.wwe.com/inside/titlehistory/worldheavyweight/
So with that said, on Wikipedia, I believe that both pages should be name in the same manner. Either both should say, "WWE Title Name", or both should say, "Title Name (WWE)". TheGary (talk) 17:16, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it was done that way to avoid confusion with the WWE Championship which has been called the WWF World Heavyweight Championship in the past. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 17:57, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Previous name: World Championship

Shouldn't it be mentioned that the title was called the World Championship, omitting the word "heavyweight" during Rey Mysterio's reign? Tommyferrellhc08 (talk) 04:46, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As is the case with Bradshaw's Texas Hardcore Championship and Lance Storm's Canadian Heavyweight Championship, these reign exclusive names simply aren't notable. --UnquestionableTruth-- 05:40, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Jeff Hardy's Reign

I timed his reign, starting when the bell was rang after the ladder match, and ending with the bell ringing in the MitB match. His reign was 3 minutes and 8 seconds. The statistics section says that his reign is 2 minutes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.3.251.100 (talk) 07:06, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Successor?

Im sorry but under the descrpition of the belts history it say that the World Heavyweight Championship is the successor to the NWA and WCW Championships. I don't think this should be in it due to the fact that it holds a different lineage and therefore it can be confusing to say its the "successor". Thoughts? Approval of removing that statement? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.93.167.109 (talk) 04:20, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. Fact of the matter is the NWA never ceast to exist and still exists to this day

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