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Elusive references

Thanks for your note.

>I still haven't had any luck finding out about the longest vocal note in a pop song record
Yes. Despite expenditure of effort, I'm afraid I haven't made any progress either. (Not very satisfying ... )
>it would be really helpful if someone could tell us the year.
Agreed! Sadly, the lady who wrote it currently doesn't seem to be active on WP.
>If I find myself in a public library ...
That sounds like a reasonable plan. If I can get sufficiently organised, I will try the same approach.
> ... got the information from Wikipedia in the first place!
Yes, it is starting to become bizarre; I'm begining to find chunks of text I wrote (on WP) popping up in all sorts of unexpected places. Talk about déjà vu!
>As I mentioned on the article discussion page ...
So you did! My apologies!! It seems I missed noticing your posting. (That's happened to me a few times in the last week - my watchlist must be getting too big.) Sorry. It seems you posting to my talk page was a good idea! Thanks.
>I really can't see any justification for including the Wikipedia Guinness World Records article as a reference.
I agree. (It seems my posting is ambiguous in ways I hadn't realised. I'll review it.) I'll also respond on the talk page to your posting there.
>However, I have no wish to take an adversarial approach
Of that, I am quite glad. I try not to be adversarial, but I find that a "pugnacious person" can take offence at even the mildest statement if they are in the mood to do so, so I'm not always successful. Its much more pleasant dealing with someone who does not feel the need to be adversarial.
>so I have left your questionable references
I would prefer you categorised one as "ambiguous" and the other as "non-specific" (or even "vague" if you feel the need); my personal pov is that "questionable" can mean any of a number of things, and most of them don't mean the reference should be removed. As I've said elsewhere, the references need to be improved, but not removed.
>I hope to have the opportunity to discuss this further in the future so that we might agree on a permanent solution.
As long as I pay better attention and notice when you post something, (which I usually do), I see no reason why this will not happen.
Note: I am about to post more at Talk:Freddy Curci. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:32, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but being a male, I find that walking and chewing gum at the same time is stretching the limits of my abilities. Having a conversation in three places exceeds them. So I apologise in advance if I've missed something.

Recently I've been forced to try to communicate with some narcissists who only want to talk about their view of the universe, so I find it refreshing and enjoyable to communicate with someone who actually wants to communicate.

"I'm glad we've been able to come to an agreement about this," - Oh yes. Me too.

"and I hope we find some more information at some point in the future." - Ditto. (But sadly, I'm not holding my breath ... )

"For the time being I think your current edit is the best we can do" - Well, so far, I havn't been able to think of anything better. But I live in hope ...

"Thanks for your helpful information" - That is very polite of you, and is appreciated, but I would feel dishonest if I didn't emphasise that there are a number of related templates, and it is possible that one of the others may be better ...

It's a pleasure "talking" to you. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 15:04, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Ain't Goin' Down (deleted article)

The article could be restored in accordance with Wikipedia:Proposed deletion#After deletion. Is this your request? - Rjd0060 (talk) 14:33, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I would like to request that the article should be restored please. I also found a live bootleg recording on YouTube which makes it clear it is a GN'R song rather than an Axl Rose solo, but in that version he announced the song as "I Ain't Goin' Down", so we now have potential confusion over the correct title! Contains Mild Peril (talk) 10:24, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Take on Me

Hi, I see the credits for the album and for the single (the three releases), no one is credited with drums. The references you mention are always about live performances not about the song that was released as a single, maybe they do use drums when the song is performed live, but there is nothing about drums in the credits. I believe it was totally possible to do the sounds with synthesizers, just look for example Duran Duran, The Human League, Depeche Mode or Ultravox, all started way before a-ha and are known for been synthpop. Frcm1988 (talk) 19:08, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Since you cite Duran Duran as an example and I know I've heard drums in their records too, I just took a look at the Wikipedia article on Duran Duran. They had a real drummer long before they became famous, and used drums throughout the '80s: I don't think there are any recordings featuring Nick Rhodes' electronic drum machine which was used in some early perfomances (before Simon Le Bon joined the band).

The meeting of drummer Roger Taylor, in 1979, with J. Taylor, Rhodes and Wickett at a party, as well as the departure of Colley, led John Taylor to switch to bass. R. Taylor then became their original (human) drummer. It was this lineup (J. Taylor on bass and guitar, along with Rhodes, Wickett and R. Taylor) that made the first-ever Duran Duran studio demo tapes.

After releasing three studio albums and one live album in five years, each accompanied by heavy media promotion and lengthy concert tours, the band lost two of its core members to fatigue and tension in 1986. After Live Aid and Arcadia, drummer Roger Taylor retired to the English countryside, suffering from exhaustion.

Without a guitarist or a drummer, the three remaining members, Le Bon, Rhodes, and John Taylor had producer (and former Chic guitarist) Nile Rodgers play a few tracks on guitar, and hired studio musicians to play drums while they searched for replacements.

By the end of 1989, after touring for the album finished, the band regained a five-man membership as Cuccurullo and tour drummer Sterling Campbell were made full members of Duran Duran

Real drums (and the 2005 photo with the article also shows a drummer with a full acoustic drum kit on stage). Most synthpop acts did and do use drums. Synthpop doesn't necessarily mean acoustic instruments aren't used: the oboe in a-ha's Living A Boy's Adventure Tale is real, too (though not always in live performances).

I find it odd that Allmusic (which is considered reliable) don't list drums in the album credits[1], but if drums were listed anyway, it dosen't mean that it was for "Take on Me". And how is that the oboe is credited in the booklet (Claire Jarvis) but the drums not, I find that very weird, I have seen videos of a-ha performing live, for example the 1986 Grammys, there is someone playing drums but is not Waaktaar maybe someone do play drums but that person is not credited, I have seen the second and third releases (7" and 12") and no credits. Also I wasn't trying to say that because the other bands were synthpop they don't use other instruments beside the synthesizer, i was trying to tell you that recreating those drum sounds was possible in 1984-'85, because other bands alredy did it. Even Madonna used a mix of synthesized and real drumming in her single "Live to Tell". Also unlike a-ha, Roger Taylor is credited for drums in the Duran Duran's albums (Rio, Seven and the Ragged Tiger, etc). So i think that if someone is playing drums is not any of the band members because why wouldn't his name be included in the credits. Frcm1988 (talk) 10:55, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I changed it, hope I didn't get in trouble for that, it's also weird that you can change it, I tought only IPs weren't able to edit when a page is semi-protected. Frcm1988 (talk) 11:07, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you compare live versions with real drums to the studio version you can tell the drums are real there as well: if they weren't why would the band go to the trouble of having a drummer for every live performance of the song? They use a drummer live because they need one, and Paul can't do it while also playing guitar, but of course he can record different instruments separately in the studio. We can hear drums in the record, we can see them in the video and in live performances: the logical conclusion is that the record features drums. It's strange that this is not mentioned on the record sleeve, but the drums are quite obviously there. Contains Mild Peril (talk) 11:29, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So what you suggest we should put: Pål Waaktaar – drums (not credited), guitar, vocals. Frcm1988 (talk) 21:29, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Allmusic references have keyboards in one, and the other said: However, a-ha's debut album Hunting High and Low was much more diverse than "Take On Me" suggested, and Harket spilled his pain with a high-pitched falsetto over a bed of acoustic guitars and electronics long before Thom Yorke of Radiohead reaped awards and platinum albums for doing it.

I don't recall other song in the album where "Harket spilled his pain with a high-pitched falsetto", he is known for the falsetto in that particular song, they mention the acoustic guitar and electronics(synthesizer). Anyway the booklet or the liner notes have this info and could be used as a reference too, which by the way don't mention the drums.

I don't know if there are 3 different versions in the intrumentation, but that reference is about the "first video version" not about the single. They said: Although only the instrumentation changed, the remix by Alan Tarney gained heavy rotation on MTV, they don't specify if the video is from the first or the second release of the single. Frcm1988 (talk) 17:52, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't fully understand all of the review or the biography, the music critics tend to write or describe the music very metaphorically and often they write in an ambiguous manner, well at least Allmusic isn't as bad as Robert Christgau's reviews. However I believe that they were talking about "Take on Me", because the guide is American, and a-ha is consider to be a one-hit wonder in the United States and Canada, it wouldn't make sense for they to write about another song in Harket's biography when he is mostly known only for that song. Frcm1988 (talk) 02:41, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Adam Lambert straw poll on including/removing "Order #" and "Results" columns from the performances section

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Russian Grammar

Greetings

Пудовкин is the correct translation from Pudovkin

БЕССОННАЯ НОЧЬ is translated as 'Sleepless Night'

If you need any more help feel free to ask

Cheers! Sneakspawn (talk) 04:07, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Whose Responsible This

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RE:TALK PAGE

To be honest, no. If you going to leave that much stuff on my talk page, I'm not going to go the extra mile to read it all. While the artist does pass WP:N due to his single Opera #2, his albums do not, as there is no information on any of them whatsoever aside form the track listing, which does not meet WP:NALBUM. PopMusicBuff ^talk 15:45, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Credits

The credits in the album have the following:

a-ha - production, remixing
Magne Furuholmen - keyboards, vocals
Morten Harket - vocals
Pal Waaktaar - guitar, vocals (dosen't mention the type of guitar)
Neil King - engineer
Claire Davis - Oboe
Tony Mansfield -producer
Alan Tarney - producer
John Ratcliff - producer, remixing
Just Loomis - photography
Bobby Hata - mastering
Jeffrey Kent Ayeroff - art direction, design

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WikiCat

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Signature

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Deleted article Todd Hall?

Greetings. I was surprised to find that Todd Hall the lead singer of Burning Starr and Harlet has no Wikipedia article, but I note there was a Todd Hall article which you deleted. Could you please tell me if the article was about Todd Michael Hall the singer or Todd Hall the preacher or some other Todd Hall I've never even heard of? Contains Mild Peril (talk) 21:36, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It was about a random college kid. Stifle (talk) 10:06, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

a-ha's final shows 3 & 4 December 2010

Hi, I just added reference. I didn't know how to add a reference without an URL, but then found out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Are1981 (talk • contribs) 15:37, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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B-Sides

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 Yes, again I agree. What more reliable a source can there be than the physical media itself?! 
 As you said, it is not original research. Also, everything is not already on-line and so 
 there can therefore not always be an on-line reference. But, most importantly, B-side 
 information is of great interest to many and is completely relevant to the subject, so why
 on earth should it be arbitrarily excluded? 99.50.127.173 (talk) 05:29, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Lady Gaga discography

There is an ongoing discussion at Talk:Lady Gaga discography#Other appearance concerning the appropriateness of including Lady Gaga's credits as songwriter on tracks performed by other vocalists. As you have previously weighed in on the "discogrophy" vs. "songography" question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Discographies/style, I would like to invite you to contribute your opinion to the debate. --Peter Farago (talk) 08:31, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

my opinion, as someone who has hoarded, is that it refers to crisps. I am assuming that is the assumption of the cite of the blockquote, but is an assumption. In my apartment I would not have necessarily had ready access to more liquidy chips v. a bag of crisps that became unattended then becomes refuse to be dry inedible and left around. Hoarders tend to see the mess that might occur so, in my case,I might leave crisps around but would have picked up a can of half eaten food or oily soggy fish and chips. Not to say it dosent happen, but that is my read of the colloquial and the experience I have had. Hope that adds some clarity, from my opinion. Peace rkmlai (talk) 14:24, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well my initial response to your comment is a caution to assume the the kids would chuck it out. Specifically, my mom hoards stuff, so there is a genetic and learned behaviors, both of which would probably more predispose kids to _not_ throw out anything that was in the house of someone they were growing up when the parent would be upset for disposing of things, least it be 'important'. I have trouble myself distinguishing between what is 'important' v.'not important' cause my mom has it too, and I believe this is the learned and genetic portions that contribute to family generational patterns of hoarding. I fear that good examples of decernment is lacking in hoarders, IMHO. rkmlai (talk) 21:27, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]