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Outstanding videos about North Korea

A few days ago I added link to outstanding video about North Korea:

The link dissapeared. Today I restored the link and added another link:

Quinacrine (talk) 01:05, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No. Per WP:NOTREPOSITORY, "Wikipedia is neither a mirror nor a repository of links, images, or media files." All you're adding is linkspam. Why are your links any more worthy of inclusion? From looking at those two links, it looks like there's an issue of copyright. Both sort of fall under WP:YOUTUBE, which says that "Many videos hosted on YouTube or similar sites do not meet the standards for inclusion in External links sections, and copyright is of particular concern. Many YouTube videos of newscasts, shows or other content of interest to Wikipedia visitors are copyright violations." One is on Google Video, and the info there makes no direct claim about licensing it. The other is on a blog which says that there are ads involved, which violates WP:ELNO #4, "Links mainly intended to promote a website." Anyone else care to weigh in? — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 01:38, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You have no idea what you are talking about! THESE VIDEOS ARE ABSOLUTELY OUTSTANDING!!! If you have never lived in North Korea, you cannot understand what is going on there unless you see those videos. Please stop deleting my links.Quinacrine (talk) 02:05, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
We have rules here on what is and is not allowed. And now you've broken our rule on three reverts. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 02:38, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
On the contrary, it is you who has no idea what they are talking about. It is pointless using caps to highlight your message. Both of the videos look like copyright infringements. That alone is enough justification to not include them. Both sites fit into point 2 of WP:ELNO - "Any site that misleads the reader by use of ... unverifiable research ...", becaus there is no information at either site about who, why, how and when these videos were made and where the originals are found. Green Giant (talk) 02:22, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
THIS IS A BOLD FACED LIE! All the info is provided at the end of the videos, in the credits. I have the impression that our quarrel is not about facts, but about communist sympathizers censoring Wikipedia to hide the truth about incredibly brutal nature of the North Korean regime. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quinacrine (talk • contribs) 02:48, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
...or because we have rules about neutrality here. There are a great many articles on Wikipedia that talk about the North Korean regime, but they do so within Wiki guidelines. Human rights in North Korea, for example. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 02:56, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Quinacrine, accusing other editors of having bad intentions is weak at best, and certainly not assuming good faith. Wikipedia isn't a repository for political viewpoints, positive or negative, on an article such as this. Feel free to add them to the DMOZ category, which seems like a perfect place to put them. tedder (talk) 03:04, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The makers of the videos do not express political views. They merely present facts which are conspicuously missing in the article about North Korea. The article implies that North Korea is just another country. In fact, North Korea is a nightmare. There is no other country on the face of the Earth that resembles North Korea! Please, see the videos. If you do, your jaw will drop. Quinacrine (talk) 03:41, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder why a link to "businessNK" on YouTube cannot be made, a site that shows videos on foreign investment and business activities in North Korea one cannot find anywhere else and that wants to contribute to a better understanding of North Korea, (legitimate) business opportunities and its business environment. Plenty of websites made a link to it, but Wikipedia seems to ignore or to refuse it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Innoqua (talk • contribs) 10:06, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

...because wikipedia is not "a website" Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 11:01, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Funny, some links are admitted and some are not "because wikipedia is not a website"... I'm trying to understand the wikipedia logic. Innoqua (talk) 09:16, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's not so much about "logic" but about an inability to keep up with all the pages added all the time. It would take a lot more people and eyes to sit here, staring at a screen 24/7. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 09:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I have watched the videos and asked some friends who are business people to watch them, too, and give me their views on them. They replied they could not have imagined that doing business in NKorea was possible until they visited "businessNK" on YouTube. Obviously, Wikipedia is not very helpful for business people interested in learning about business opportunities in North Korea and in the way business is done there. Sure, Wiki has a lot to say about "dictatorship", "totalitarianism" and so on, which may be appealing to a number of readers but not exactly to people who run businesses and (have to) look for new business opportunities and need to know more about business-relevant aspects.--Innoqua (talk) 22:55, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Absolute monarchy?

It seems to me that the dictatorship of NK is quite hereditary, revolving around members of the Kim Dynasty; thus, might North Korea be an absolute monarchy pretending to be a republic? 192.12.88.7 (talk) 04:49, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Making a claim like that in the article might be original research. Anyway, NK has had only one transition from father to son; it seems a bit too early to decide that the system is set up to maintain these kind of transitions.Eunsung (talk) 17:13, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Spontaneous Population

So, history in North Korea starts in 1945. Really? I assume people lived in the middle of the Manchurian peninsula before that time. Even if nothing historically significant happened there, you'd think it would be worth mentioning... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.232.131.59 (talk) 15:22, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • So, history in the United States starts in 1776. Really? I assume people lived in the middle of the U.S. before that time. Even if nothing historically significant happened there, you'd think it would be worth mentioning... :P FFLaguna (talk) 00:05, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
We link to History of Korea. Is that not sufficient? — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 00:47, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Definitely. FFLaguna (talk) 07:41, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Watch out

http://img.4chan.org/b/res/177704472.html

Suggest lock. -Paulkimpaul —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.44.177.85 (talk) 04:49, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Economy

Not a pressing request, such that I won't use {{edit protected}}, but the lead sentence of the economy section (currently, in pertinent part, "North Korea has an industrialised, autarkic...") should be edited to reflect the economy's being near-autarkic (as the second paragraph of Autarky#Modern examples rightly observes, "A false example of a supposed current autarky is North Korea...which has extensive trade with [many countries]"); in the alternative, Autarky should be edited in order that it mirrors this article—I'll leave that to someone more qualified to address the issue. 76.199.155.106 (talk) 07:59, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Communist state

This article should be updated to remove all references to NK as a communist state, outside of historical discussion. The constitution was amended in 2009 to change the political basis from Marxism-Leninism to songun (military first). It is, even by its own description, a military state rather than a communist state. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.65.216.123 (talk) 16:21, 3 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is, for all intents and purposes, still a communist state, whatever they call it in their constitution. To call it a military state because of the Songun policy is just plain wrong.--Atlan (talk) 15:13, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Militarism and communism are not mutually exclusive; the North Korean 'constitution' itself is little more than a propaganda tool that has little bearing on how the country itself is actually ruled. North Korea is very much a totalitarian, militaristic communist country with an extremely powerful and extensive personality cult around the leader. All these regime-type adjectives are applicable to the North Korean state. The Way (talk) 18:51, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, there is some logic not to call it "Communist" for several reasons. First of all, a centrally planned economy, authoritarian rule and a single-party system don't make a country Communist. A Communist state is one that defines itself as pursuing Communism through a certain set of organisational ideas or that claims to have achieved it; North Korea is neither of those. Furthermore Juche and Songun could be viewed as Socialist ideologies, but they're not in any case Communist. And finally, not all property in North Korea is public; there are some private enterprises; their society is not in any case classless, and, as I mentioned, their guiding ideologies rather emphasize nationalism and self-reliance than proletarian struggle, internationalism or such. - ☣Tourbillon A ? 23:05, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Tourbillon. If they're no longer pursuing the communist ideal, they're no longer communist. Totalitarian socialist, perhaps. --Leodmacleod (talk) 23:18, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"First armed conflict of the Cold War"

The Wikipedia articles on "proxy wars" and the "Greek Civil War" indicate that the Greek Civil War was in fact the first armed conflict of the Cold War, not the Korean War as this article states.

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