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Hi

What are you like with the tagging of cats - would you support project identification utilising:

1. a soviet project tag for soviet cats, and no socialism or russia tags
2. some other guiding principal

I would be interested - it looks like you might have a good idea on it specially with such a neat talk and user page! (I am envious)

• Category:Communist parties in the Former Soviet Union - i put all three
• Category:Apparat of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union - just the one

As you appear a familiar of (the late) douglas adams or the derivative number - I am considering the possible variations within the realms of improbability or probability of permutations of soviet/russia/socialism tags across the as yet untagged soviet and russian cats SatuSuro 02:46, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Hey thanks for that - appreciate the response SatuSuro 23:56, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Alexander Lake

Hi Altenmann, you moved Alexander Lake (Alaska) to Lake Alexander (central Alaska). Now why you moved a lake with a name like "Alexander Lake" to "Lake Alexander" is not clear to me. Bevore I start correct the resp. intewikis... Could you please explain why the Alexander Lake ist to be found at Lake Alexander now? Thanks, --Gereon K. (talk) 20:51, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for re-moving the article. The only Lake Alexander of any noteworthyness that I know of is in Northern Australia. Since "Lake Alexander" is never used for the mentioned Lake in Alaska we shouldn't rename it. :) However, another detail strikes me odd: on any map that I look at this lake lies in the south of Alaska. Where does "central Alaska" start? Cheers, --Gereon K. (talk) 23:20, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Apology

I am sorry for my comments in the past and would like to be as collaborative as possible. Please do not hesitate to tell me whatever you think should be debated. Unfortunately, I do not have a lot of time at the moment... I greatly respect your contributions in this project. Happy editing, Biophys (talk) 05:06, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:People from Azerbaijan

Category:People from Azerbaijan, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. I understand the intent of the category; I want to gauge consensus on whether we want to have parallel categories for nationals and other people "from" the place. Thanks, Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 01:03, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Recall

This is a request for you to stand for recall. Judging by your behavior here and here I do not believe you are an asset to this project, and you certainly not represent this project as an administrator. Rklawton (talk) 01:09, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Judging by your behaviour here and here and here I conclude that you are a bully who likes to teach people how to do things rather than directly discuss the raised points concerning the article, I am taking the liberty to disregard your request, At the same time I do believe that you are an asset to the project, I just don't want to communicate with you unless my opinion about you changes. - Altenmann >t 01:18, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

This recall request confuses editing and administrative roles. I think recall as an administrator should be based on administrative activities not on a user's editing activities. There is a process for addressing an editor's actions when they are considered inappropriate and as far as I know recall as an administrator is not one of them. Jojalozzo (talk) 01:33, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I do like to teach people how to become better editors here at Wikipedia. And that is a very useful task. You'll note that the two edits of yours that I called into question have been reverted by other editors for the same reasons I gave. The only other point to make is that the response you gave to my reversions wasn't civil - and incivility is counterproductive to this project. Please learn from this. Rklawton (talk) 15:32, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

There is an old say "who can, does; who cannot, teaches how to do." You'll note that I was not warring over the revert. I started a discussion in the talk page after reading it and reading its FAQ and noticing that my points were never discussed. Instead of addressing them, you basically called my concern pointless bullshit (only in a polite way) and started teaching me how to edit wikipedia. I strongly suggest you to exercise in showing respect to fellow wikipedians, if you want your teachings seen like teachings, not like bullying, no matter what civil language you are using. Civil language is but a frosting, and if the underlying attitude is demeaning, shit covered with sugar not only tastes shit, but smells rat. Second, learn how to count: I've made a single (and probably the last) edit in the Muhammad page, so be happy. Third, my response to your revert was 100% civil: I went to talk page to explain my objectins in plain and neutral language. If you perceive anything what contradicts you as incivil, then you are a clear danger for wikipedia, despite your contributions to article content. - Altenmann >t 16:52, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Your comments on the image talk page were addressed - as was pointed out by another editor after you incorrectly stated they weren't. Saying they weren't again here, doesn't make it so. Your comments regarding teaching and doing are trite, cliché, and a non-sequitur given your subsequent acknowledgement of my contributions to this project. I do. I teach. You, on the other hand, disregard consensus and lack civility. You may read into my words incivility if you wish, but then you stand in violation of WP:AGF. Your repeated use of foul language above stands violation of WP:CIVIL. Your edit here violates both WP:POINT and WP:DICK. If you continue leaving such an obvious trail of ill-considered edits, I will have little recourse but to report it, and I would have no objection to doing so. I would prefer, though, that you mend your ways. Rklawton (talk) 04:20, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

I stated in the article talk page and repeat here again that I no longer wish take part in the discussion after a self-proclaimed policeman (you) interfered amid the beginning of a factual dialog with uncalled-for preachings. My comments about teaching is a cliche well applied to you. In order to teach successfully, you have to respect the student. If you are offended by the word "shit", this is your personal problem. You may politely ask me not to use it, and I will use the word "excrement" in dialogs with you. My edit "here", with edit summary "(please don't edit other people contributions in talk pages, unless they are offensive, copyvio or otherwise highly harmful)" is within my reasonable rigths of general civility opinion. Your unjustified usage of foul language ("dick") as applied to me I consider as a personal attack and suggest you to withdraw. Please mend your ways yourselves. - Altenmann >t 04:37, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

I was rather expecting you to read the various essays and learn from them. Incivility extends beyond the mere use of foul language. You aren't helping the project when you fail to assume good faith and attack other editors - especially editors making a good effort improve overall performance. Now, if you'll read up on article talk pages, you'll learn that I removed a section that stood in violation. Another editor agrees with me enough to remove the section again - and none have come to your defense. If you had any respect for practice and process, you'd learn from this. Rklawton (talk) 04:48, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

• It is a troubling development that disrespect to "non-qualified" people is so deeply rooted in wikipedia, that even editors I profoundly respect do not think twice, and thus contribute to the growing public perception about growing unfriendliness of wikipedia. The proper, respectful handling of the issue is like this. Some science geek posted his rant in an article talk page, obviously not very familiar with how wikipedia works. There are two options: slap him into his face "yours is not wanted here", or explain him how he could become a respected contributor. Pleas tell me which way, in your opinion, is preferable and why. - Altenmann >t 16:30, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
• As for my alleged attacking, nice turning of the table. In the Muhammed talk page I stated that I am withdrawing from the discussion and explained why. (I don't want to deal with uncalled-for accusations and threats regarding my good-faith edit.) It is you who mounted a massive, multi-pronged attack against me, which has nothing to do with my single, occasional, edit of the Muhammed page. You convinced me that creating and discussing wikipedia content is not among your first priorities, I will no longer address your groundless attacks. - Altenmann >t 16:37, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

European Plain

Please take care when reverting; I accept your rationale on keeping the map, but you also removed a reference and the 'see also' section. I have since restored them. Thanks, Hayden120 (talk) 04:35, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I somehow didn't notice other changes. I guess too much hitting "revert" button today". - Altenmann >t 04:37, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Katapult

Per your request, I've closed this nomination as Withdrawn. TreasuryTag consented, so his Delete vote doesn't hamper. Best, UltraExactZZ ^Said ~ Did 14:30, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Notice

Just letting you know that I mentioned you on ANI just now, in relation to reverting User:Bot-iww's edits.
— V = I * R (talk to Ohms law) 02:21, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

LSSR was'nt a state...

s. Krzysztof Kieślowski (born in Generalgouvernement für die besetzten polnischen Gebiete) /../writing that a person was born in Generalgouvernement für die besetzten polnischen Gebiete gives a much better understanding the overall environment where the person lived his life. --Bot-iww (talk) 13:41, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Generalgouvernement didn't exist long. Soviet Union did. - Altenmann >t 23:07, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Lithuania wasn't a territory of Soviet Union

"Viktorija Žemaitytė (etc.) born. in Soviet Union" is absurdum. --Bot-iww (talk) 13:45, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Why? - Altenmann >t 17:28, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Friday the 13th

Hello Altenman, as the article Friday the 13th is a semi-protected one, I kindly ask you to copy the following to the last part of the History section: "In Spanish-speaking countries, instead of Friday, Tuesday the 13th is considered a day of bad luck. For example, the Fall of Constantinople, when the city fell to the Ottomans, fact which marked the end of the Byzantine Empire, happened Tuesday, May 29^th, 1453, and that is why the Greeks consider Tuesday to be an unlucky day." Thanks. Krenakarore (talk) 18:16, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Ancomah

Regardless of who copied who, the only source in the Ancomah article was either the copyvio itself, or a mirror site. Show me some legitimate sources for this article and I will gladly restore it. Hiberniantears (talk) 04:01, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

No worries. The existence of the article for so many years initially gave me pause as well, as I thought it was just in need of a rewrite. Then I looked at the source, which prompted a Google search which turned up very scant reference. I happen to love articles such as this (little known, local legends), so if there are any good sources out there, it would be great to bring the article back. Hiberniantears (talk) 21:32, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Reference to Paradise by the Dashboard Light in Baseball metaphors for sex

I disagree with your recent edit to remove the reference to Paradise by the Dashboard Light from the article Baseball metaphors for sex. My comments are on the talk page. Regards Mitch Ames (talk) 12:13, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Accepted. Continued in talk page. - Altenmann >t 17:17, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

NCFD

Sorry, I don't quite follow. Presidential what? And what is it that needs updating in North Caucasus? Thanks.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 12:06, January 21, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, the decree is the right one. The NCFD was created by an amendment to that decree. The amendment is supposed to show up in the ref as well, which it will as soon as I find out what its number and title are (kremlin.ru only re-printed the body, but I need to know at least the number in order for the reference to render properly). I'm checking with consultant.ru (and kremlin.ru's documents section) daily, but they don't have that information just yet. As soon as it's available, I'll update the refs.

As for North Caucasus, I'll update it to mention both federal districts. There are probably several other articles that need updating; if you happen to think of one and can't edit it yourself, please let me know. Thanks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:22, January 21, 2010 (UTC)

And really, no need to be sarcastic. If you take one minute to stop and think, you'll understand perfectly well why I referenced neither statement. It does not at all mean I never intended to reference them eventually, though. Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:40, January 21, 2010 (UTC)

Without any correct refs and with a seemingly irrelevant ref dated 10 years ago you created confusion, so don't be defensive, just fix your mess. I was not sarcastic; I was genuinely surprized. The Russian page does have refs. I don't tell me I could have done it myself: I don't have cyrillic keyboard to search Russian texts. - Altenmann >t 17:50, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't mind it when people don't understand why I do or do not do certain things (and I am perfectly fine with you marking those two pieces as uncited), but I must say it really irks me when people assume that I did (or did not do) certain things because I was lazy or inattentive or something to that effect without even asking first. It is especially disappointing to know that you, of all people, assumed the worst. Anyway, here's the gist: I am not satisfied with the refs in the Russian Wikipedia, and the ones I am satisfied with I can't add just yet for reasons that should be obvious to anyone who's at least vaguely familiar with my editing style. Once I am satisfied, I'll add the sources accordingly, and if other people choose to add a ref from ru_wiki in the interim, it's fine by me. If there's one thing I don't like, it's doing the same job more than once, and that's precisely what's happening with this article. Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 18:28, January 21, 2010 (UTC)

I continue to be genuinely surprized how you cannot be satisfied, regardless any editing style, with refs from kremlin.ru found via russian wikipedia. I am also baffled with the editing style whereby a person creates dozens of redirects from different spellings for insignificant places while has no time to make a decent, verifiable page about a high-importance subject. I don't know about your experience, but I was taught in hard way that no matter how important subject you write about, there always is some newpage patroller trigger-happy to slap "notability" "prod" and whatsnot tags on your work. While I would not brag about my generally sloppy editing style, but in last 2 years I didn't create a single unreferenced stub, and I would advice you to do the same, to spare grievances. - Altenmann >t 19:06, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, we all contribute in ways we can, do we not? For example, if you had dozens of very short periods of free time throughout your day every day, but hardly ever a single day with a few hours of uninterrupted free time, you'd probably be doing more maintenance and perhaps even creating insignificant redirects yourself, no? That is, of course, unless you are really good with doing thorough research about decent, high-importance subjects while being constantly bombarded with real-life happenings (I'm sure such people exist, but I am, unfortunately, not one of them). As much as it pains me to admit, my attention priorities lie in real life, not on-wiki.

As for your other concern, I don't recall creating much (if anything) in the last two or so years that was blatantly unreferenced (or stayed blatantly unreferenced for long), except for those pesky disambigs, to which you can't add a reference even if you really-really want to. I'm sorry, but you are way off with this piece of advice. Perhaps you are confusing me with someone else? And if you mean NCFD, I already explained that I will add the references as soon as their quality satisfies me (which should be some time next week). While kremlin.ru is, of course, a top-notch source, note that in this case the amendment you used as a source is incorporated into the body of a news bit. Were it available in the Documents section (where all other presidential decrees are), it would have been a different story entirely. Hope that answers your question.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 19:46, January 21, 2010 (UTC)

Olonets

Completely my screw-up; thanks for noticing. Now fixed.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 02:16, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

And to return the community serivce favor, I believe you intended the five redirects to point to Akbulat, not Akbolat (which itself is now a self-redirect) :) Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 02:23, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Yep, sorry; massive cut and paste job is quite dangerous. - Altenmann >t 02:27, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

P.S. It is quite curious to observe the train of thought of how I started from North Caucasian Federal District, went through "white bulat" and ended in Olonets. (Six Degrees of Wikipedia in action :-). - Altenmann >t 02:37, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I know, I'm all over the place sometimes, too. :) By the way, should probably let you know that Akbulat, Republic of Bashkortostan no longer exists (not officially, at least). Need to dig to find out when it was abolished, though. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 02:44, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

While looking for it, I saw a indications of renaming or attempted renaming, including Novoakbulatovo->Novy Akbulat and Staroakbulatovo->Stary Akbulat. Also some texts related to Staroakbulatovo call it Akbulat, and its zip code is the same. I created this page for the sole purpose of keeping Akbulat page from deletion by disambig-runners. And unfortunately I failed to find better akbulats. - Altenmann >t 02:57, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a common problem with names. Often the locals call their place differently than what it is officially recorded as. I still need to run a few checks (I'm currently away from most of my sources/books/databases), but it looks that Akbulat you found is actually called Akbulatovo (here's the official postal service record).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 19:43, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

As for the postal codes being identical for Akbulat and Staroakbulatovo, it's not uncommon for closely situated villages to share the same postal code. In Bashkortostan and Tatarstan in particular, villages called Starosomething, Novosomething, Something, Verkhnesomething etc. are usually located fairly close, so the shared postal code is a typical situation for them. But like I said, I'll do more checks before I start moving/correcting stuff.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 19:48, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

OK. I deleted it for now, not to multiply confusion in the 'net. - Altenmann >t 22:49, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Don't know if you are still interested in this (after having deleted the page), but here's what I've been able to dig up. First off, there are numerous villages in Bashkortostan called (officially) "Akbulatovo", but not a single one called "Akbulat". As for the one in Tatyshlinsky District, what got me really confused at first is the lists of the three rural localities in Akbulatovsky Selsoviet. To cut long story short, those lists don't match from one source to another. In some (and usually older) sources these three places are called Akbulat, Savalyay, and Churguldy, in others—Staroakbulatovo, Savaleyevo, and Churguldy. I am inclined to go with the latter set, because that's the one used in the documents relevant to the subject of the administrative-territorial divisions (the first set figures in derivative documents listing areas affected by issues that have nothing to do with the administrative divisions). The sources I went with include Part II of OKATO, Bashkortostan's registry of the administrative and territorial units, their registry of municipal units, and the reference work on the history of the inhabited localities of Bashkortostan by A. Z. Asfandiyarov. Additionally, both the 1952 and the 1926 books on the administrative divisions of the Bashkir ASSR refers to the place as "Staro-Akbulatovo", which pretty much rules out the theory that the village was renamed from "Akbulat(ovo)" at some point. My guess is that "Akbulat" and "Savalyay" are closer to what the locals call these villages, or perhaps these spellings are the result of the influence of the Bashkir language.

Also, just to make things clear, this Staroakbulatovo is a different place in a different district.

Finally, I tried to located anything else called "Akbulat" (just to have something to stick onto the disambig page), but it doesn't seem there are any places called that. If Akbulatovo page would be of any use to you whatsoever, please let me know, I'll put one together. Thanks.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 21:07, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Judicial activism

Wow, slice and dice. LOL. Bearian (talk) 03:02, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Anal Much?

Your recent church lady antics are PRECISELY why people HATE Wikipedia.

I added a one line insert to a photograph caption and you act like I changed Barack Obama's birth certificate!

The additional information I added to that caption is ENTIRELY appropriate. And, exactly what source do you want me to include to back up that UMich has a ballroom dance team? Do you want one of the girls to dance with you? And where/how do you want me to include it?

Simply Sad....

PS I'm SURE you will justify your every action and prob want to debate me on it's merits. But, in order to save time, I'm just going to re-enter the information as it was. DO NOT REVERT IT. And please don't threaten me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.244.182.135 (talk) 12:13, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

TR100

There's a growing concern about red-link spam in WP articles and editors are now encouraged to "write the article first" WP:WTAF. I presume since you reverted my preliminary clean-up of red-links on this page that you intend on starting at least a few of these articles yourself in the near future. Otherwise, your actions seem counter-productive. Respectfully, Agricola44 (talk) 20:40, 26 January 2010 (UTC).

Thanks for the explanation here. Agricola44 (talk) 16:48, 27 January 2010 (UTC).

Judicial Shamanism

Dear Administrator, I would like to request to restore the article "Judicial Shamanism". The discussion presented here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Judicial_Shamanism is completely uncompetent. The concept of "judicial shamanism" is used by the following people:

1) Article "In the fortress of double standards" ("Dvygubu standartu citadeleje") of President Rolandas Paksas of Lithuania explicitely mentions the concept of "judicial shamanism" http://www.ivaizdis.lt/zinpr_det.php?id=9827 and http://www.paksas.eu/news.php?strid=1577&id=3139

2) The concept of "judicial shamanism" is explicitely mentioned at the official website of the Lithuanian Constitutional Court http://www.lrkt.lt/APublikacijos_20080320b.html

3) There is an article "Theory of Judicial Shamanism" of Stanislovas Tomas published by the WORLD CONGRESS OF PHILOSOHPY OF LAW (that took place in 2005) http://direct.bl.uk/bld/PlaceOrder.do?UIN=211909788&ETOC=RN&from=searchengine He also has a number of other scientific publications on the subject, and is a law teacher.

4) The concept of "judicial shamanism" is also in use in the works of Rafael Prince from the University of Sao Paolo http://www.buscalegis.ufsc.br/revistas/index.php/buscalegis/article/viewFile/33054/32234

5) There is article "Shamans, Law and Logic" of professor Rolandas Pavilionis http://www.vgtu.lt/upload/mc/lm_73kn_3.pdf and http://www.skrastas.lt/?rub=1065924817&data=2006-01-24

6) The conception of judicial shamanism is mentioned at page 42 of Sergey Shirokogoroff called "Psychomental Complex of the Tungus".

7) The conception of judicial shamanism is mentioned at page 48 of "Le systeme des objets" by Jean Baudrillard.

8) The deletion is not unanimous, since as we see in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Judicial_Shamanism - a user tried to protest.

9) there is a requirement to have a discussion on deletion for a sufficiently long period. The discussion started on 14 January 2010 and the article was deleted on 21 January - THAT IS SEVEN DAYS ONLY - this is an insufficiently short period and violation of wiki-rules.

This is why the article shall be restored. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.64.52.114 (talk) 14:24, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

1. 1-#7 aren't proper sources (they're mentions, not about the subject itself). #8 is not exactly true: there was a vandal that said don't delete because we shouldn't delete articles about bunnies ruling the world. I can't find anything justifying #9, is there some policy that says a week is too short a time? Ian.thomson (talk) 15:56, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Dear Ian.thomson, I do not like people like you who start to imagine that they are experts on everything without having ever read at least anything. First of all I belive that this discussion shall be here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Judicial_Shamanism and not on this page, so please put it there.

You say that points 1-7 only mention judicial shamanism but do not deal with the subject itself - this is NONSENSE.

1) Article "In the fortress of double standards" ("Dvygubu standartu citadeleje") of President Rolandas Paksas of Lithuania deals with the problem of double judicial standards and CONCLUDES that the practice of double standards is JUDICIAL SHAMANISM. This is an article of former President and twice Prime Minister of Lithuania.

2) The concept of "judicial shamanism" is explicitely mentioned at the official website of the Lithuanian Constitutional Court - this is a response of the Constitutional Court to what is called "judicial shamanism". A journalist asked the Court on what they think about "judicial shamsnism", and the Court gave an answer.

3) There is an article "Theory of Judicial Shamanism" of Stanislovas Tomas published by the WORLD CONGRESS OF PHILOSOHPY OF LAW (that took place in 2005). The very title of the article shows that the subject of the article is precisely "judicial shamanism". This book was published by the World Congress of Philosophy of law and this shows that the theory is notable.

4) The concept of "judicial shamanism" is also in use in the works of Rafael Prince from the University of Sao Paolo - in the mentioned book - Prince dedicates a chapter precisely on the subject of judicial shamanism.

5) There is article "Shamans, Law and Logic" of professor Rolandas Pavilionis - as it follows from the title of the article - it is precisely on the subject of judicial shamanism.

6) The conception of judicial shamanism is mentioned at page 42 of Sergey Shirokogoroff called "Psychomental Complex of the Tungus". All book is dedicated to this problem. Professor Shirokogoroff from Cambridge writes that Western philosophies, Western conceptions, and Western law is a form of shamanism.

7) The conception of judicial shamanism is mentioned at page 48 of "Le systeme des objets" by Jean Baudrillard. Baudrillard introduces the concept of "shamanic ritual" and this is one of the core ideas of his theory of simulacra. Ian.thomson, you never heard about the theory of simulacra in your life, so why don't you go to another discussion?

Finally, there is a Wiki-rule that 7 days period is valid for deletion only in the case of consensus - and there was no consensus. One user was against deletion. It is highly inappropriate to call him a vandal - this is a personal opinion.

If you need an opinion of an expert, you can ask, for example, professor Duncan Kennedy from Harvard - kennedy@law.harvard.edu

Please put this ideas here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Judicial_Shamanism and restore the article.

The deletion is an abvious vandalism. 158.64.52.114 (talk) 16:58, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.64.52.114 (talk) 16:55, 30 January 2010 (UTC) 

Please rease WP:RS. Mentions of a subject ("The concept of "judicial shamanism" is explicitely mentioned", "is mentioned at page 42", etc) are not considered appropriate sources. Also, please point out what rule you are citing instead of just saying it exists. Plus, the only other edits by that vandal were vandalism that were reverted as vandalism, and that guy's objection was nonsensical at best (but you have a habit of not reading the last half of something). And finally, you have no authority to say what I have or haven't heard of. Ian.thomson (talk) 17:24, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

to Ian.thomson - the problem of Wikipedia is that people like you who never heard about "postmodernism" or "critical legal studies" are allowed to have a dictatorial opinion. I would consider only the opinion of the person who has experience with Critical Legal Studies as important, and your as undercompetent. To your last point:

1) How to put into your head that the concept of "judicial shamanism" is not simply mentioned in the 7 sources? "judicial shamanism" is a TITLE of those articles, it is a CONCLUSION in the article of President Rolandas Paksas of Lithuania, it is a TITLE of CHAPTER in the Brazilian book. I do not know how it is possible to maintain a meaningful conversation with such undercompetent people who do not even know what the words "title", "conclusion" and "title of a chapter" mean.

2) Even if some editions of that guy really were vandalism - it does not mean that he always posts only vandalisms. You cannot apply the presumption of vandalism for a person forever. In this case I believe that you, Ian.thomson, are a vandal - you never heard nor about "postmodernism", neither about the role of "shamanic ritual" in the theory of simulacra of Jean Baudrillard. You do not speak French. You do not speak Portugease. You do not speak any other foreign language, and you are proud of this.

3) Ian.thomson does not understand what is "reliable source". The article of President Paksas that accuses the courts in judicial shamanism is published at the official website of the President. The statement of the Lithuanian Constitutional Court is published on the official website of the Court. The article of Stanislovas Tomas is published by the World Congress of Philosophy of Law. The book of professor Shirokogoroff is published by Cambridge University Press. The books of Jean Baudrillard is always published by the best French publishing houses, but you do not know their names because you simply know absolutely no French publishing houses. 158.64.52.114 (talk) 00:21, 31 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.64.52.114 (talk) 00:10, 31 January 2010 (UTC)