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Improving this article

I have made a temporary subpage in my user page to act as a “frame” to build up a rewritten version of this article. I have started with creating a well made outline for everyone to follow. Add in or change anything you like, but please note all edits, however minor they may be. This is so that a better version (cleaned up) may be made without disrupting the current one. —Mr Grim Reaper (talk • contribs • email), 23:10, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps a number of the gratuitous Top Gear references can be removed? This is not an advertisement for the television programme. Certainly there are other sources of credible information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.150.198.3 (talk) 15:20, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

W-Engine or DoubleV

In the German Wikipedia its not "a real" W-Engine its a Double-V that looks like a W-Engine. They show the picture, that is shown here in the W-Engine article, as a Double-V. VW himself call them W-Engine but technically its not —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.64.49.144 (talk) 14:07, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Number to be produced

Does anyone have a reliable source that proves that Bugatti plans to produce 300 Veyrons? —Mr Grim Reaper (talk • contribs • email), 23:44, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Errors in Kinematics of article

Quote: //Aerodynamic friction or drag is proportional to the square of the speed. That means to cover a a given distance at twice a given speed the engine must do four times the work to cover the distance at the given speed. Further, by going twice as fast, the engine must do that work in half the time. Therefore, to go twice the given speed requires eight times the power required to go the given speed.//

This is incorrect. Drag quadrouples when speed doubles. The author makes an error by including distance in the discussion. Air resistance quadrouples, necessitating four times the horsepower to drive at double the current speed - in terms of aerodynamic drag. Not sure where the "8 times the power" reference is from. In fact, seeing as speed is doubled, it takes 1/2 the time to cover a given distance. Therefore to drive at twice the speed over a given distance, requires twice the energy.

210.9.200.35 (talk) 05:18, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This calculation in the article confused me, too, and at first I also thought it would be wrong. However, power is the product of the force you have to overcome multiplied by the speed you travel at: P=F*v. The force in this case is mainly the aerodynamic friction (but also mechanical friction). If v doubles, the aerodynamic friction - meaning the force to overcome - quadrouples. That means, to double your speed you need the power P_faster = 4F*2v = 8P. Or am I thinking wrong here? --92.195.76.234 (talk) 21:07, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

23/12/08

Just use the equations: Power is equal to work done divided by the time taken (P=W/t). Work done is equal to the force applied multiplied by the distance travelled (W=Fd).So it follows that P=Fd/t. Distance divided by time is equal to Velocity, so P=FV. The drag force (F) is calculated from the air density (rho), surface area of the car (S), the velocity of the car (V) and the coefficient of drag (CD) using the equation F=1/2*rho*V^2*S*CD, so if we double the velocity we increase the drag force by a factor of 4. So doubling velocity gives us P2=(4F1)*(2V1), or P2=8F1V1, where F1 and V1 are the drag force and velocity at the original speed and P2 is the power required when the speed is doubled. Doubling the speed increases the power required by a factor of 8. In reality there are other factors, but this is a close approximation at high speed when aerodynamic drag can be said to dominate.

Street legal or not??

The article states that this car is street legal, but according to a review I have seen on it, it is not. What then is the point of buying this car?Davez621 (talk) 06:58, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is street legal. 90.212.120.86 (talk) 20:29, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not in Australia it's not. Davez621 (talk) 16:24, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do any Australians besides Rupert Murdoch have that kind of scratch?

Yes, plenty do. I believe someone here has already bought one (or at least ordered one). Anyway, there's a difference between being able to afford something and actually buying something. Australians don't splash out nearly as much as Americans do.Davez621 (talk) 21:00, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The way it is written now does not necessarily imply that it is road-legal in every country. As for the point of buying one, that is subjective. You could try to ask an owner, I suppose... swaq 21:18, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Who cares about Australia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.71.209.129 (talk) 06:37, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Veyron is defenitely street legal in Germany, the U.K., France (and probably most countries of the EU) as well as the U.S.A. --92.195.76.234 (talk) 20:56, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If it isn't strictly road-legal in Australia, presumably you have something like the SVA (Single Vehicle Approval, as opposed to "type approval" of volume cars) that kit-car builders and hot-rodders must pass to get their cars on the road in the UK. I guess we'll see when that rich aussie's car hits oz, assuming they aren't leaving it at their house in another country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.183.201 (talk) 00:22, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's definitely street legal in the U.S. I saw one for the first time today (in San Jose, CA) and nearly ran my own car off the road while staring at that STUNNINGLY GORGEOUS work of art! I am in love... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.161.47.202 (talk) 06:05, 25 April 2009 (UTC) It's not street legal in Canada. An example of another car is a 94-95 Dodge Spirit, which cannot be imported into Canada. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whitebro (talk • contribs) 15:38, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

most expensive car?

I read this article because I recall reading that this car was or is the most expensive car in the world, which isn't mentioned here. Is this, in fact, the world's heftiest purcase price for a street-legal car? - Alan 24.184.184.177 (talk) 04:56, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is the most expensive street-legal production car in the world. --Ctrlfreak13 (talk) 17:34, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

you go buddy drop a clutch —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.72.122.94 (talk) 06:05, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The numbers don't match up

It says that the car goes from 0-150mph in 9.8 seconds, then a few lines later it says the car reaches a speed of 143mph in 10.2 seconds in the quarter mile. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.190.127.174 (talk) 22:15, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article actually states that the 1/4 mile time is obviously faster than what that one source states. The times are from different sources, so there will be inconsistencies (altitude and weather heavily affect this) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theeldest (talk • contribs) 19:48, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Most likely you'll find the 0-150mph times were recorded by repeated attempts with a proper test-driver employed by Bugatti, on an optimal track. The quarter-mile times were most likely recorded in a few passes by a motoring journalist on the nearest drag-strip or runway. After the Bugatti PR guy told him "DON'T BREAK THE £1,000,000 CAR!!!" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.183.201 (talk) 00:25, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is this the right word?

There is a quote from a Mexican magazine that's translated to English. It uses the word "stucked" ("it stucked in about 850 CV"). I don't know Spanish, can someone check what it should be? --Theeldest (talk) 19:51, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you offer the original word and its context, or a link to it, may be... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.86.163.88 (talk) 09:10, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tyres

What tyres does it use to go at 407km/h?

Tyres are one of the most important parts of a car. In Formula 1 tyres are one of the most talked about things, along with engines and drivers.

Can somebody find out what tyres it uses and put that info in the specifications of this page? Tri400 (talk) 12:50, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe they're specially-made Bridgestone tires. —Mr. Grim Reaper at 04:20, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They are actually Michelin - they use the Michelin PAX run-flat system, and the tyres are the Pilot Sport PS2 tread patern. HTH. 78.32.143.113 (talk) 18:39, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fastest car?

It appears like the Ultima GTR is the fastest accelerating and decelerating car in the world, not the Bugatti Veyron.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultima_GTR

http://www.ultimasports.co.uk/gtr/

Maybe this can be fixed to give credit to the right car? 206.248.128.31 (talk) 23:32, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, people, the Veyron is quicker to 60 mph than the GTR. The GTR does 0-60 in 2.6 seconds, whereas, the Veyron does it in 2.46 seconds. Furthermore, this article states that it can reach 150 mph in 9.8 seconds over the 1/4 mile, making it the most rapid accelerating production car in history. So there, end of story. --Tony Feld (talk) 15:43, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's not as simple as that - AFAIK, the Ultima holds the world record at 2.6 seconds, whereas 2.46 for the Bugatti is just a manufacturer's claim. I've never seen test figures of less than 2.7 secs for the Bug, does anyone know of any? Jellyfish dave (talk) 19:56, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong again, idiots! The fastest-accelerating car is the Red Victor 1 with a 0-60 time of just 1 second. Try to beat that! --Doy-doy people (talk) 00:51, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The fastest car is the satanic machine http://www.perrotfeeler.com/Vehic1.htm (400 m in 3.5s, 621km/h), it is is still a car :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.30.139.86 (talk) 13:30, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

RV1 isnt a production car, its a one off mod. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.254.146.20 (talk) 11:48, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The record will be broken then the [Ariel_Atom#Ariel_Atom_500|Ariel atom 500] reaches production, the 0-60 time at least Thomashauk (talk) 23:20, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would say yes.--Purz12 (talk) 21:19, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

popular culture

I think it's worth mentioning that the first video game to license the Veyron was Need for Speed Pro Street (via the energizer lithium pack). Before that, Volkswagen wouldn't license it to anyone.

Also, does anyone know why Volkswagen originally didn't want to license the Veyron (at least that's what they say on the Forza 2 forums every time someone asks for it as DLC)? They pretty much gave the developers of Beetle Adventure Racing for the N64 free reign with the (then) new beetle and that was a flagship model as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.106.104.40 (talk) 05:23, 16 July, 2008 (UTC)

I don't think a video game appearance is notable unless it has some sort of significant impact on the vehicle. I'm certain no one will be buying a Veyron because they saw it in a video game. swaq 21:28, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sports Car?

Can this really be classified as a sports car? Why not Ultra-mega-super-car? 76.71.209.129 (talk) 06:38, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Because that wouldn't be a neutral point of view. Also, we don't use the term supercar, see the following discussions:

In strict definition, this is not a sports car. The sports car article itself makes at least four mentions of low weight being a common goal of cars in that category. (Volkswagen clearly did not consider weight an issue when designing the Veyron.) Comfort, passenger space, and ride quality were given consideration, which is further evidence that this is more like a grand tourer than anything else. --ColinMB (talk) 22:18, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're probably right. swaq 16:32, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Errors of Kinematics

Drag is square law but the power needed to overcome it is a cube law and I have seen it stated in physics books but I have never understood the proof. It is also true if you apply it to road cars. Pick a car where the manufacturer fits a large ranges of engines - maybe BMW 5 series. For example a 520d with 177bhp will do 140mph and a de-restricted M5 with 500bhp has been recorded at 205mph. Now if we take the difference in power as a ratio 500/177 = 2.824 and take the cube root you get 1.41 and mutliply this by the 520d speed (140mph) you get 198mph which is close to the 205mph I have seen. Apply a square law and you get a top speed of 235mph which is clearly incorrect. ==== —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.16.207 (talk) 21:24, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Crashes.

As the car is one of the most expensive and exclusive cars about, would it be apropriate to list the known crashes for this car? 2 have been crashed in the UK to my knowledge and I believe the first UK crash was the very first Veyron Crash. I a similar vein, does any one know of anyone in particula that owns one?(Morcus (talk) 01:16, 12 September 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Good idea but not encyclopedic. A M M A R 01:27, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Simon Cowell owns one [1] and another - unless its had a paint job [2] 86.147.161.8 (talk) 12:38, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It wouldn't be notable until some celebrity totals one. However, there has been a notable crash already. [3][4] The irony is in the link, but the video would make some car enthusiasts go into a corner and mutter to themselves for a while. --Hourick (talk) 22:59, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Inaccuracies

Many of the number in this article do not add-up, also are wrong figures and edits to external quotations, clearly inappropriate, There is no reference to either the ssc aero or koenigsegg CCXR, both of which have beaten the veyron in terms of speed and power. Article clearly needs expert attention —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doctor sponge (talk • contribs) 15:52, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Which numbers do not add up? Which figures are wrong? What quotations have been edited? Do you have reliable sources to show how these should be corrected? The SSC Aero is mentioned in the second sentence. If the CCXR is mentioned it will need a reference. swaq 15:57, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

0–240 km/h (0.0–149.1 mph) 8.6 seconds VS standing quarter-mile (402 m) 10.2 seconds at 230 km/h (142.9 mph).

I'm not the person writing the numbers do not add up, but these numbers do not add up... Of course these numbers will not have been from one source, so nobody knows who drove the car the quarter mile. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.28.169.139 (talk) 10:18, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

never achieved fastest production car record

it should be noted that the veyron never achieved the record of highest top speed for a production car because it has never ever made back to back runs in the opposite direction to account for wind speed and/or ground slope. on the other hand, the koenigsegg CC[insert correct letter] and SSC ultimate aero TT have, which is why the koenigsegg was recognized by guiness even though the veyron has a higher rated top speed(this isn't a "bash" of the car, i love the car, but i believe it should be noted in the article). Ry Trapp0 (talk) 04:02, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The SSC Ultimate Aero still has to be tested under credible conditions. Until then, many people will continue to find the Bugatti Veyron the fastest production car in the world. When the day comes that Shelby Supercars loans of those cars to a reputable motor TV show, allowing everyone to see the Aero reach the claimed speed, measured by a GPS tachometer, then it will be the fastest. A Guinness World Record certificate isn't proof. Their "rules" are also not credible to the eyes of many motor experts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.244.183.8 (talk) 13:31, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

i'm assuming that this is the person that also added the oppinionated bullshit to the article("...many people...") too, correct? i'm gonna assume that your a veyron fanboy simply because of the ignorance of your comment here. as i stated before, the veyron has NEVER made a back to back top speed run within an hour of each, as required by ALL CREDIBLE TOP SPEED/TIMING ORGANIZATIONS, including both the FIA and the SCTA. however you can claim that the veyron record still stands because it completed its SINGLE runs with GPS, yet claim that the ultimate aeros record is "questionable" because of certain peoples OPINIONS is outright ignorance. and, all of this is ignoring the fact that the ONLY organization that claims the veyrons top speed to be 'official' is the German government, who is obviously not credible in any way, shape, or form, to make such a claim.

it would be much appreciated if you(or anyone) could provide ANY sources(such as these "many motor experts" that you claim have the right to approve or nullify a record) to support these moronic claims.Ry Trapp0 (talk) 04:45, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

HERE is a link to the SSC Ultimate Aero TT top speed run video, including the telemetry gathered by the Dewetron GPS data aquisition system, which can be confirmed HERE. furthermore, this is the SAME GPS data aquisition system that was used by Top Gear on James May's Bugatti Veyron top speed run, as confirmed HERE.

might i suggest that you do some actual research before you make such frivolous claims/assumptions.Ry Trapp0 (talk) 09:13, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

movement energy

just thought that you all would like to know the at maximum moving velocity the kinetic energy of the vehicle is approximately 13M joules. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.177.92.49 (talk) 01:42, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

0-100-0 Speed... Units of measurement?

Can someone please check this statistic then include its unit of measurement (I assume its miles). Also, just a reminder to maintain good faith and treat each other with respect when making edits to wikipedia articles and discussions. 203.45.1.54 (talk) 11:15, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Knowing that the Ultima GTR, with a similar power-to-weight ratio does 0-100-0 mph in ~9 seconds, it sounds reasonable that you're right and the units are miles per hour. Probably worth adding those units in, as "0-100" means 0-100kph to those in predominantly-metric countries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.183.201 (talk) 00:19, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

specs

Bugatti Veyron is too short (only 4462mm) and too heavy (around 1888kg). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.210.152.57 (talk) 07:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

BBC TopGear, 28th June 2009. Bugatti Veyron vs McLaren F1

On the episode on the above date, Richard Hammond raced the Veyron against The Stig in the McLaren F1 in Abu Dahbi in a 1 mile drag race, while the F1 had the intial lead the Veyron caught up and over took the F1 to finish first. The more observant would have noticed that during the sequence the Veyron deploys its spolier, which based upon James Mays experience (Top Gear Series 9 Episode 24 February 2007) with the Veyron previously, would suggest that the car had not been placed into super slippy max speed mode (sorry couldn't think of a better name for it than that!) Which is activated while stationary and in which the spolier is kept retracted and the car hunkers down to minimise drag. If it had been so would the Veyron crossed the line with a greater margin? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.8.49.225 (talk) 12:34, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I also noticed that. It just so happens that the car is very expensive, and is loaned to motor TV shows by the people who own it. In that case, it was loaned by some sheik or a deluxe car stand. It seems they can use it, but only with all the safety on. So, no second key, unleashing the full 1001 PS...

Also, the fact that Richard Hammond is not a pro, may have also influenced the result. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.244.182.83 (talk) 09:01, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"The McLaren was faster up until 170 because of the Bugatti's cooling. That car belongs to Rowan Atkinson. I can tell you, seeing as Andy Wilman, producer of Top Gear, gave a detailed account of the race to him, that it was not, 'driver error'. On a dry British road, the Bugatti may have been faster but the race was done in the blistering heat of Abu Dhabi and the McLaren was faster" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.208.5.3 (talk) 16:41, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Removed content

I removed the following lines:

"The fact the F1 was ahead until those speeds appears to be staged. Referencing the straight-line performance figures for both cars on their respective Wikipedia entries reveals that the Bugatti is superior in every level of acceleration. Though desert heat may have affected the Veyron's turbos, making it somewhat slower, this does not explain the differential shown in the video."

This is not accurate. The acceleration times for the Bugatti are as good as they will ever be. 4WD prevents traction loss and the gearing is automatic; the driver need only floor the pedal to achieve the car's potential. This is not so in the McLaren. The original times were achieved by a journalist on 1993-era tires. In this configuration, the car is traction-limited until third gear. If the McLaren owner had equipped Michelin Cup tires or equivalent for the Top Gear test, the F1 could easily have reached into the 5-second range to 100 MPH. Likewise, a racing driver would have improved both shift times and traction modulation. Given that the F1 has a superior power-to-weight ratio to the Veyron, and the latter's reduced output in hot weather, a reversed result is hardly surprising. Alexdi (talk) 06:02, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Another point of interest: the Veyron can vary in performance quite a lot from test to test. Here's Evo's run, without launch control:

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/cargrouptests/238672/nissan_gtr_v_bugatti_veyron.html

The acceleration curve is almost identical to the F1, except that the Veyron is a half-second faster across the board because of superior traction. I can only assume Hammond's Veyron was quicker, because if Evo's car had raced the F1 and fallen behind at the start, it might never have caught up. Alexdi (talk) 05:13, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jerermy Clarkson

Jeremy Clarkson drove Bugatti Veyron illegal. Jeremy Clarkson was 6'5. Can't tall drivers drive Bugatti Veyron? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.210.152.57 (talk) 04:17, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fuel consumption to size

In the USA, Lamborghini Murcielago gets poorer milage than Bugatti Veyron, because the Murcielago is available in mountainous area (Idaho, Utah, Colorado, etc.) but the Veyron is not available in mountainous area. Bugatti Veyron is too small and it has too much fuel consumption. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.210.152.57 (talk) 03:10, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

comments

actually buggati veyron is not the fastest car and it is the 2nd fastest car

         by rishit kotian pune maharashtra india  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.195.65.241 (talk) 10:31, 19 October 2009 (UTC) 
this car is the best in the world if you actullaaaaaaaaaay look at it you will se that it is made for the circuit at 1,001 hp it can go from 0 to 60 in 2.5 sec now thats fast  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.119.173.2 (talk) 20:31, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Conan O'Brien's use of the vehicle

I'm not a regular editor of this page so I thought I'd leave this info here in case someone wants to add it to the article.

Conan O'Brien, to spite NBC, featured a Buggati Veyron on his show at the reported price of 1.5 million US dollars (an expensive Rolling Stones song was playing in the back ground to add to the price).

Ref: http://jalopnik.com/5453417/conan-obriens-15-million-bugatti-veyron-mouse

OlYeller^Talktome 19:59, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know, it's pretty significant.

The skit was epic, though. This opinion from a guy who doesn't like Conan. LOL. --Hourick (talk) 21:06, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Though it was recent, I think if we can find actual significance to this that is citable, such as a reputable news source saying that this is the straw that broke the camel's back for NBC then I'd say include it. And OlYeller21, anyone can add to articles so if you find these sources feel free. I would take a look at WP:EVENT and then you can test it against these criteria to see if it passes the notability test. However I can tell you right now that the source you gavve from jalopnik would probably not be considered a verifiable enough reference. [User:Valley2city|Valley]]2city^‽ 06:09, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]