Talk:4chan

888.chan

mention of 888chan should be made, as it is a similar in format and content to 4chan and it is the organiser of project chantology. 888chan contains most of the memes and the meme anonymous is far more used in ti than 4chan,

New posts go to the bottom. There are a TON of other chans- 4chan is the one that's been in the news. --King Öomie 14:27, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

888chan has very little to do with 4chan. It was an offshoot of WWP more than anything. No mention is needed. Throwaway85 (talk) 00:13, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

888 has nothing to do with 4chan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.103.14.178 (talk) 20:21, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Aside from the fact that it's frequently referred to as "the mother chan". 888channers are usually current or former 4channers. Throwaway85 (talk) 04:00, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Death Hoaxes

I removed this because it's significance is highly dubious. Posting phony death hoaxes on /b/ is an ongoing thing, and has probably been done for any number of high profile celebrities. The ones that actually take off, though, like Kanye and Jeff Goldblum, don't gain any more steam from /b/ as they do somewhere else. The Kanye hoax wasn't just on 4chan, but it was commented on heavilly there (leading some to believe that "Oh, it's 4chan, they must have started it.") It's usually the product of a group of people that simultaniously work together to spread the info, citing each other as proof, where the hivemind takes over from there.

If the death hoaxes were huge enough to actually be reported by today's ridiculous media without fact-checking (as they often do not do), then that would be worth adding to the celebrity-in-question's page, rather than trying to pin it to a specific source (which is 100% uncitable). Gpia7r (talk) 20:41, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

allegations of racism by 4chan

After some googling I've found many respectable sources that provide a point of view about 4chan as a website that permits racist commentary and hate speech, but instead, not enough reference to this topic is found in the curent revision of the article, there are many sources out there confirming this, besides KTTV's report. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.230.211.251 (talk) 16:09, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Taken from the Wikipedia article on Racism: "Racism is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race". So, racism is defined as what may or may not be seen as offensive from one race to another. Since 4Chan's posting format is default Anonymous posting, there is really no way to determine if the individuals making said racist remarks are indeed of a different race, or simply taking an example, an (Insert Race of Choice) individual poking fun at themselves/others of their race. Furthermore, nothing posted on 4chan is intended to be taken at face value. "The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact." -Random imageboard header disclaimer. In summary, this really isn't the place for soapbox race-baiting, and you'll have one heck of an uphill battle proving anything more than dark humor, which the article already covers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.44.212.4 (talk) 22:29, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Going to have to agree with the anon editor on this one. There have been attempts to sensationalize racist material on 4chan, notably Fox News but these attempts are just that, attempts to sensationalize a non-issue. Voiceofreason01 (talk) 19:25, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

There's no such thing as a non-issue with Fox, I think. EVERYTHING is destroying 'Murrica. --King Öomie 19:27, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

how do you know 4chan posters don't mean it when they input racist humor? yes, the whole imageboard protects on the facade of a work of fiction, but is obvious they acknowledge all racist remarks as true irl. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.230.211.72 (talk) 00:50, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

not relevent, there is racist humor on 4chan, particularly /b/, but the tone of /b/ is and always has promoted the posting of shocking and/or offensive material. Find me a reliable, secondary source discussing racism on 4chan and names 4chan by name, and we can discuss adding it into the article. But an op-ed or scare piece by fox news isn't going to cut it. Voiceofreason01 (talk) 16:52, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Even though sources such as fox news have run articles, their "journalism" was roundly laughed at by the internet as a whole. Nobody who visits 4chan, particularly /b/, should take seriously anything that is said there. I would have to question the reliability of any source that wasn't able to figure that out. Throwaway85 (talk) 05:59, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

SomethingAwful.com advertising

Why is the line about Moot being a former member of "SomethingAwful.com" included in the article? The fact is trivia, at best, and trivia is to be avoided. I'm sure it was added by someone trying to promote the site, and it should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.163.22.236 (talk) 08:52, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

I can't prove that it isn't trivia but in my opinion it is relevent to showing where the community came from. I really doubt it is a plug for somethingawful. please WP:AGF. Voiceofreason01 (talk) 22:44, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

The moderators of 4chan were always familiar with SomethingAwful-style humour, so I'm guessing most of them were members at some point. [1] Ottre 18:24, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

The original 4chan moderators were all permabanned users from the Something Awful anime forum, myself included. But I am not aware that any media source has recorded this information. Shii (tock) 19:45, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure how reliable it is, but I found this. Also, moot says so on the faq, so yeah... Throwaway85 (talk) 06:16, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

How did Jarrad Willis die?

Seems odd that this is missing. I've been searching for the answer but have yet to yield anything. Is there any information on the cause of death? Krushia (talk) 22:33, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

He became an hero. Meowy 17:05, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

^ lulz —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.169.234.225 (talk) 22:41, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Another school shooting threat

On November 24, 2009 at 13:46 Estonian time, a 18-year old Estonian boy posted a threat on 4chan to carry on a school shooting in the Commercial High-School of Tartu (et:Tartu Kommertsgümnaasium), a high school in Tartu, Estonia. The boy was arrested on the following day. [2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9]

On November 25 Tartu Kommertsgümnaasium was closed to students as a safety precaution because the boy who posted the threat was not yet caught. On the same day two other high-schools in Tartu received bomb threats[10][11]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.190.29.65 (talk) 19:23, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

English sources, please? I can't really comment on it more without even being able to read the articles, and translators aren't reliable enough for this.--Human.v2.0 (talk) 00:33, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

http://balticreports.com/?p=5367 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.40.10.218 (talk) 04:04, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Chanology

Can anyone find a reliable source that correctly attributes chanology as starting at 711chan and migrating to 4chan, rather than the other way around as the article currently implies? I haven't had much luck with google. Throwaway85 (talk) 06:25, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Pedobear?

I'm not trolling but there's only two mentions of Pedobear on WP and no proper explanation. It might be a popular meme but it passed me by. --Alastair Rae (talk) 16:41, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

You'd have to find a reliable source saying that Pedobear started at 4chan if you wanted to include it in the article. Throwaway85 (talk) 00:04, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

I believe he was asking for an explanation, based on WP only having two mentions of the word itself and no details. As an unsourced (and likely not entirely uninformed) response: Pedobear refers to an image of a "strutting" bear that is used on the internet in various linkages to pedophilia or child pornography. This can be a direct link where it is used in matters containing child pornography, in situations where the topic is however many steps removed, or in an ironic sense. It evokes the image of a big creepy walking teddybear who likes children a little too much. This is probably more explanation than is (a) relevant (b) wise to have tainting an edit to WP under my username, but it's also a few hairs more polite than saying "google it", which i recommend you do (carefully). --Human.v2.0 (talk) 02:01, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Wow, thanks for describing Pedobear in the least funny way possible. Alastair: Just look it up on ED. Throwaway85 (talk) 03:28, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Says the person who misinterpreted the original question entirely and instead used the phrase "reliable sources". :P --Human.v2.0 (talk) 05:25, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

if there's anything a discussion of 4chan demands, it's reliable sources. ;) Throwaway85 (talk) 09:10, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Pedobear started as 'Safety Bear' on 2ch, anyway. --moof (talk) 21:16, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Wired article about project chanolgy and /b/

here. I'm surprised nobody had added anything from this yet, seeing as it came out a couple months ago, and because it has a lot about 4chan and project chanology. estemshorn (talk|contrib) 23:10, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Moot's Identity

There is a thread on /b/ about moot right now which has an image where users supposedly discovered his real life identity to be Richard Goins. There are a couple whois reports, but I'm not very familiar with how that works. I can provide the image if needed. It might be worth looking into. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darktangent (talk • contribs) 08:23, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

This is old meme. See Talk:4chan/Archive_14#What_the_hell.3F. -kotra (talk) 20:14, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

"The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."

'Nuff Said

--estemshorn ^{happy new year} 22:45, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Duckroll?

I think there is some sort of error in the article; some one has changed the rickroll-section to duckroll, which, you know, is kind of funny, but not really true. Can any moderators fix this? 87.54.33.250 (talk) 09:50, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Duckrolling was the original meme that rickrolling spawned from. Was there a particular claim that you feel is not accurate? Throwaway85 (talk) 12:05, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

deleted

Trolling here doesn't work particularly well. You might like to confine your efforts to /b/ and Youtube comments, where someone of your skill level stands some chance of success. Throwaway85 (talk) 07:00, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

No, the duckroll was first. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.242.160.8 (talk) 00:17, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Editing

This page needs serious editing lots of things that can be added like new raids and new memes and perhaps what is done to those posting illegal content? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymous21211 (talk • contribs) 00:39, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Not happening. We're not your damn tabloid. —Jeremy ^{(v^_^v Boribori!)} 00:42, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. ED is thataway. Throwaway85 (talk) 05:28, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Why does 4chan have special permission to break the law?

If any other website had half the content 4chan has they'd be raided. 70.57.26.44 (talk) 06:37, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

This is not a forum. That and they don't have "special permission". Pacific Coast Highway ^{{talk • contribs}} 06:55, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

+1 to the "not a forum". Also, they have been raided. Many, many times. They comply with all requests from law enforcement. Also, there are US statutes that indemnify website from content posted by their users. 4chan has always held a "don't break the law" policy. When that is ignored, they cooperate fully with law enforcement officials. Throwaway85 (talk) 09:02, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Verizon Blocks 4chan

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/verizon_blocks_4chan.php ... please add this —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.154.2.20 (talk) 11:08, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I added some basic info. Also, new sections go to the bottom WakiMiko (talk) 14:13, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Please add this from Verizon Wireless 2/8/2010: http://policyblog.verizon.com/BlogPost/697/ProtectingOurCustomersandOurNetwork.aspx

Protecting Our Customers and Our Network

Jim Gerace posted in PolicyBlog Wireless on February 08, 2010, 03:50 PM EST

The most important thing we offer? Our network. When our network is attacked, or at risk of attack in a way that could harm our customers' ability to make and receive calls, or use wireless multimedia and data services, we jump to action.

Recently, Verizon Wireless security and external experts detected attacks from an IP address associated with the 4Chan family of web sites that was disruptive to our customers and our network. To protect both, we eliminated connectivity to the IP address. At no time was 4Chan itself blocked. Ongoing network security team monitoring has now determined there is no longer an immediate threat. Connectivity to those sites is being restored later today.

Typically, these attacks involve someone sending hundreds of thousands of messages to wireless devices to round up active customer addresses for follow-up activity including hacker attacks. These “sweeps” can jam our network and deliver unwanted electronic messages that also can drain customer devices’ battery life and slow their operation.

We take being the nation's most reliable wireless network seriously. Seriously enough to protect our customers and our network from malicious attacks, even if we get dinged in the blogosphere. It's easy to complain about "blocking" when your wireless data connection is stable, fast and reliable. But try connecting to the web from your Droid or Blackberry when attacks slow - and potentially block - use of our network all together.

We monitor against attacks and potential attacks to ensure the integrity of the Verizon Wireless network. Our customers expect nothing less.

162.115.236.104 (talk) 22:48, 8 February 2010 (UTC) JNels

New Information

4Chan is apparently either a victim or supporter of Operation Titstorm because their homepage is covered in pornographic images.(see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_%28group%29#Operation_Titstor and http://www.4chan.org/). I believe this should be archived in the 4Chan page however editing for that page has been blocked. If there is anyone who can edit that page I ask that they do so. JackRendar (talk) 11:39, 11 February 2010 (UTC -6)

Generally new additions need need to be verifiable with reliable sources. If you can find one, request the addition on the talk page here. -- Flyguy649 ^talk 18:14, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

The servers crashed and I saw it with my own eyes. Don't say it didn't happen. --66.31.103.78 (talk) 17:50, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

That would be original research. Tarc (talk) 00:12, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Foundation date

WHOIS suggests 2004. http://www.whois.net/whois/4chan.org MrJontyH (talk) 12:44, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Pedobear

often used within the community to mock contributors showing an unhealthy interest in under-age girls What the fuck? *looks at source*... this is a joke, right? Completely unreliable source. NineNineTwoThreeSix (talk) 05:06, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Another point: The references to "American incarnation", Europe, Poland and Malta make no sense. This is not some fad that spreads geographically, and the sentence seem to be written by someone who doesn't understand how 4chan in particular and the internet in general works. 88.91.87.46 (talk) 14:05, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Facebook Connection

Should there be a mentioning about the new Facebook connection and the April Fool's day prank of Web 2.0 takeover? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.116.239.208 (talk) 05:21, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Cat abuse name removed

The source linked wasn't a reliable source and is a WP:BLP violation. Neither of the reliable sources (one of which doesn't even work) name the individual, nor do they indicate that anyone by this name was convicted of abusing a cat. They also likely wouldn't since the individual is a minor. Not sure when that was added, but if there is other content in the article of that nature its status as a FA should be revisted as that kind of stuff would completely invalidate it.--Crossmr (talk) 08:53, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

New York City -> suburban New York

This is minor, but thought I'd bring it up. The article says, "4chan was started in 2003 in the bedroom of a 15-year old student from New York City", but the Wall Street Journal referenced says he grew up in suburban New York (near NYC). —Sebquantic (talk) 20:35, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

moot has said that was a mistake - AFAIK, he was born and raised in Manhattan and currently resides in Astoria. 24.42.68.193 (talk) 12:43, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Accuracy

Wouldn't it be more accurate to call this site a spamboard, rather than an imageboard? The pages on /b/ shift so fast every time i reload a page. There must be hundreds of posts every minute, and only 10 of them seem to make any sense at all. Tempmusic (talk) 16:31, 17 April 2010 (UTC)