Talk:Benigno Aquino III

Assemblyman

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| office2             = Assemblyman, [[Central Luzon|Region III (Central Luzon)]]
| term_start2         = 2004
| term_end2           = 2007

Which assembly does this mean? --bluemask ^(talk) 10:02, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Title

Instead of "Noynoy Aquino" wouldn't it be more appropriate to label him as "Benigno Aquino III"? The article about his father is titled "Benigno Aquino, Jr." and not "Ninoy Aquino". -- Adherent of the Enlightenment 10.0 (talk) 18:32, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Jr.'s article has to be eventually moved to Ninoy Aquino as per WP:COMMONNAME. –Howard the Duck 16:03, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. Ucucha 04:30, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

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Benigno Aquino III. → Benigno Aquino III — Noynoy Aquino should be moved again to Benigno Aquino III. "Noynoy Aquino" isn't that common outside of the Philippines. I request a vote on this issue if possible. -- Abfall-Reiniger (talk) 09:42, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

WP:NOTVOTE. Plus, the last move was done badly, it was at Benigno Aquino III., with the period at the end! What a way to circumvent the inability to move it to Benigno Aquino III.

Compare Google News archive search:

• Benigno Aquino III: 1,120 searches
• Noynoy Aquino: 3,670 searches

News items aren't restricted to Philippine news bodies. –Howard the Duck 13:12, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

If anyone cares, Ninoy Aquino has ~5 times as more news articles than Benigno Aquino. Jr. That article has to be eventually moved to Ninoy Aquino.

I just say the discussion page of the article Benigno Aquino, Jr. and and inspired by that, I suggested such a vote for this discussion page. That was it. About the google-hits: more interesting would be the hits from the main news sites. (New York Times for e. g.) -- Abfall-Reiniger (talk) 14:54, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

So Philippine news web sites are not "main news sites"? So we are actually basing a common name of a Filipino "celebrity" on a say, Senegalese news website? –Howard the Duck 01:14, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

New York Times hits: Benigno Aquino III 0 vs. Noynoy Aquino 2 (actually, it's only 1, since the second one is a correction.) –Howard the Duck 01:17, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

I didn't say Philippine news web sites were not "main news sites". Beside the fact, that I just gave an example, I wanted to state that the international press must be also considered. And not only the Philippine press. -- Abfall-Reiniger (talk) 02:43, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but by how much? Are we going to give more weight on international news websites than Philippine websites? With only 2 NYT stories currently this guy isn't that widely reported overseas. –Howard the Duck 03:59, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Here is another example. During Ninoy Aquino's exile in the U.S., he stayed primarily in a Boston suburb. In a Google News archive search solely for Massachusetts, Benigno Aquino (without the "Jr.") has a 9,470 search results, while Ninoy Aquino has 11,800 search results. –Howard the Duck 05:49, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

About common names: Do you only give weight to the news sites/press? What, if...in future 60% of the Filipinos would call him "Abnoy Aquino"? Will then "Noynoy Aquino" be moved to "Abnoy Aquino"? -- Abfall-Reiniger (talk) 07:33, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

We'll cross the bridge when we get there. –Howard the Duck 11:34, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

"Benigno Aquino (without the "Jr.") has a 9,470 search results, while Ninoy Aquino has 11,800 search results" That is a tie. -- Abfall-Reiniger (talk) 07:35, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

"That is a tie" is the overstatement of the week, I should say. I would've said it was a tie if the gap was less than a thousand. –Howard the Duck 11:34, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

And what about Corazon Aquino? -- Abfall-Reiniger (talk) 07:42, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Unlike Benigno which is rarely used for either the Junior or the Third, "Corazon" is frequently used when referring to the former president. –Howard the Duck 11:34, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

"Are we going to give more weight on international news websites than Philippine websites? " Yes, we should do so since this is the English wikipedia. -- Abfall-Reiniger (talk) 09:03, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

And the Philippines is not an English-speaking country? I'd say there are more Philippine news sources in English than other languages in the internet. I still have to see a non-Philippine Google News search in which "Benigno Aquino III" has a higher search result than "Noynoy Aquino," same case for this person's father. –Howard the Duck 11:34, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

I suggest moving it back to "Noynoy Aquino" as it is his common name. It is not customary to call him Benigno Aquino III. First, the name Benigno Aquino was reserved to the very first senator Benigno Aquino, Sr.. Benigno Aquino may also refer to Ninoy Aquino. As a strong ground for moving Benigno Aquino III to Noynoy Aquino, you don't call Bill Clinton's article here as William Jefferson Blythe III. If you say that the name Benigno Aquino III is more common in Google or international sites, think about it: there are three Benigno Aquinos in Philippine history. Have you ever happened to search with "III" or not? I am pretty sure you might find all articles about these three Benigno Aquinos if you only search Benigno Aquino. As I said again, we don't call Bill Clinto's article William Jefferson Blythe III, unless this Wikipedia is truly a bias. I support Howard the Duck's notion. So if you'll say that Noynoy Aquino has 2 NYT news only on international press, and that these international news must be used as resource, then all of the references coming from Philippine press, as you say, is null and void so to speak. Then are you saying that this article may be a candidate for deletion because of that? Think about it. "Noynoy Aquino" was not called Noynoy Aquino because that was the Filipino wanted to call him. He was nicknamed Noynoy since he was born and his parents called him by that name. There are lots of articles out there that has naming issues like this.--JL 09 ^_q?c 10:11, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

The title is Noynoy Aquino...or is there an illusion??? I didn't do anything and won't do anything. Or does Howard the duck (he is not a duck) want to fool me? -- Abfall-Reiniger (talk) 11:51, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

WP:AGF -- User:Edgar181 moved this talk page back to Talk:Noynoy Aquino (this talk page was previously at Talk:Benigno Aquino III.. I was confused and I'm sorry for the anymore confusion it caused. –Howard the Duck 11:54, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

That was not my mistake. It was omitted to move back the article and talk page together. That sometimes happen in wikipedia. -- Abfall-Reiniger (talk) 11:58, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

I'd recommend not moving article titles with punctuation marks just to circumvent the inability to move it to the "right name". –Howard the Duck 12:00, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Then what do you think about Benigno Aquino, Jr.??? I see a punctuation mark. -- Abfall-Reiniger (talk) 12:17, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Because it is appended by "Jr." which always (at least in American English) has a period? I don't remember the many King Louises of France being named as Louis XIV. of France. –Howard the Duck 12:22, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

I still have to see a good reason why this should be moved to "Benigno Aquino III". We basically follow WP:COMMONNAME elsewhere. We have Mar Roxas instead of Manuel Roxas II (and not, my horrors, Manuel Roxas II.)(!)), Manny Villar instead of Manuel Villar, Joseph Estrada instead of Joseph Ejercito, and Mandy Moore instead of Amanda Leigh Moore. –Howard the Duck 12:22, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Then let us await the elections. For this time: Withdraw from my request. -- Abfall-Reiniger (talk) 12:57, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Noynoy and the Best Vice President

Noynoy - Bayani Fernando or Noynoy - Roxas, I think there should be a section about the Vice President of Noynoy. This will make the article more informative. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.86.204.133 (talk) 08:21, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Criticism Part

The whole part severely needs cleanup, and some other parts of the article as well. It's very messy.

"While Aquino currently enjoys considerable support, those who stand to lose from his victory in the presidential race claim that this can only be attributed to both his parents' successes and not his own." -- Neutrality is of question. "Those who stand to lose" is a bias phrase. This was written in a personal manner.

"However, months after the death of his mother, his popularity remains strong and analysts say that his lead is a sure sign of victory, unless he is cheated or blunders heavily." -- Footnote here, but the article stated 'analyst' (singular), not analysts. The name of the analyst should have also been included.

"But various documents have been released showing that he has accomplished much in his three years in the Senate." -- Footnote here. This should have been linked to a 'supposed to be' article stating the 'various documents' proving his accomplishments, not to his legislative records (because legislative records per se are not synonymous to 'various documents').

"On a similar note, Noynoy's detractors have also pointed out that, at almost 50 years old he has neither a wife nor any children." -- Footnote here. I don't believe that only the detractors are talking about his being unmarried at 50. Even Sen. Noynoy's supporters are talking about this. And the author on that referenced article didn't mention 'detractor' or any equivalent term.

"Aquino had lived with his mother, the former president, until her death, and has said if he becomes president, he would choose to live in his modest ancestral home than in the presidential palace." -- Lack of reference.

Objectivity also lacks on the last paragraph: Another issue is Noynoy's stake in his family's 7,500 hectare estate, Hacienda Luisita. His mother, the former president Corazon Aquino, was also criticized on these grounds, especially in failing to push for land redistribution reforms given their alleged conflict of interest. But the stock distribution option was ratified three times by a referanda by the farmer beneficiaries. In 2004, a clash with government troops and farms led to the massacre of 12 picketing farmers and 2 children and the injury of hundreds of other protesters. Aquino's side of the family, which owns a minuscule percentage, have met to deliberate how to turn over the land to farmers fairly while giving the farmers job security at such a time frame that the farmers will not absorb the land's many debts. This has no reference whatsoever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ara008 (talk • contribs) 14:13, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

He hasn't won yet!

People, he has the lead, but he hasn't won the election yet!
Ulmanor (talk) 05:11, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I agree, and so I changed it, the results of the 2010 Philippine general elections are still unofficial and subject to change, please do not add unofficial information, thank you... Gregorynovella (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:53, 11 May 2010 (UTC).

Seconding request to move page to Benigno Aquino III

After all, this is an encyclopedia. I don't think Britannica or any other encyclopedia would place this article entry as Noynoy Aquino in the same way that it won't place a John F. Kennedy entry as a JFK entry. If Wikipedia requests articles to sound as encyclopedic as possible, that rule should also apply to entry titles. If Time magazine, which is a magazine, would prefer to put "Benigno Aquino III" or "Corazon Aquino" on its cover instead of "Noynoy Aquino" etc., shouldn't an encyclopedia be more rigid? As for "Noynoy Aquino" having more searches than "Benigno Aquino III", isn't that what the redirect page is for, so much so that the difference in searches ratings would not really make a difference with the redirect? A "Noynoy Aquino" search in Google would still give you the Benigno Aquino III entry (and the first sentence of the entry which may include the clause "popularly known as Noynoy"), while a "Noynoy Aquino" Wikipedia search will simply lead one to the redirect page. The issue here is the formality or the seriousness of the entry qua an encyclopedia entry. Benigno Aquino III is not, after all, the pop rock star Mandy Moore. Nor is "Noynoy Aquino" the pen name of Thomas Stearns Eliot. Unless, of course, "Noynoy Aquino" is now equal in weight to such a name as, say, "Che Guevara" or, yes, "Bill Clinton". Hmm. :) ----Warpotato (talk • contribs) 02:29, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Now that he's president-elect . . .

Now that he's president-elect, could we perhaps to make this entry look more like, say, the entry on David Cameron (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Cameron)? Much more a cause for celebration if we can put up a sub-page like this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_David_Cameron. The Liberal Party of the Philippines page (or any other Philippine political party page, for that matter) could also get a lot of home-improvement tips from such pages as this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States), especially with such sections as "Ideology" and "Recent issue stances". With those, who knows maybe Wikipedia can help jumpstart an issue-based partisan politics in the Philippines! For how many more decades must we live through with Miriam Defensor-Santiagos jumping from one ideology to another each year in their lives, simply because encyclopedias too refuse to define political parties by these requisites? ----Warpotato (talk • contribs) 02:43, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

The results of the 2010 Philippine general elections are still unofficial, Noynoy as President-elect is still unofficial, I voted for Noynoy, but still I'm waiting for the official word from COMELEC, so please do not add unofficial information, thank you... Gregorynovella (talk) 09:47, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

HE IS PRESIDENT ELECT! Don't put Incumbent yet because Gloria Arroyo is still the Incumbent, unfortunately.